The Guccifer story is now exploding. He we go!! (WITH NEW EDIT)

[FourScore]

Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 08:19 PM - Edit history (3)

The Guccifer story is now exploding.

Here is a link to NBC.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hacker-guccifer-i-got-inside-hillary-clinton-s-server-n568206

Guess we get a teaser tonight and it airs on Sunday.

ON EDIT: How in the world does anyone read EXCITEMENT in this post? I have been warning about this for weeks. I am not excited. It's just more of an I-told-ya-so. The reality based side of DU has been warning about this.

On another subject, does anyone else think the timing is odd? The day after Trump gets the nomination. I mean, NBC interviewed Guccifer in Romania; so that means they had this info and SAT ON IT until now. Why? Why would they do that? Aaarrrrgggh!!

[KelleyD]

1. And?????

[TM99]

72. You do know that he hacked

Blumenthals email account and released emails between Clinton and Blumenthal that she later claimed under oath did not exist.

That is the big 'and' here.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

92. Listen, I bid on a lot of question marks (a pallet, actually) the other day and there was...

...more in the crate than was advertised. Soooo...I have a surplus I don't have shelf space for and was wondering, since you like to use yours liberally, if you'd like me to ship you my extras. I will pay for the shipping.

Whaddyareckon? Free question marks...eh? You can't beat a deal like free, right?

[SwampG8r]

97. They dont need no steeeenking free stuff!!

Apologies to huston

[dchill]

131. Question mark = I don't know. 5 question marks...

= I really don't know x5! What is 5 times I don't know? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[grasswire]

2. HERE WE GO

The first MSM story about evidence.

It may be a setup to condemn Guccifer and pooh pooh the case against HRC, beware.

It IS NBC.

[Hortensis]

24. Here we go -- we're in the general election.

[hrmjustin]

3. Try not to get too excited.

[Cursive]

4. I swear.

Geez.

[BreakfastClub]

14. This is so silly, isn't it? We need to get over this primary and focus on defeating Trump. nt

[Vincardog]

23. We will right after Bernie wins the nomination. WE will kick tRump$ a$$

[metroins]

25. That is fantasy.

[Vincardog]

30. IF so It is my fantasy and I will make it live as long as possible. Go kill someone elses' dreams.

[840high]

38. Amen.

[insta8er]

39. LOL

[Codeine]

55. Your dream's been dead for months. nt

[passiveporcupine]

141. At least we have dreams

all you have are nightmares.

[SecularMotion]

116. That's putting it kindly

[Demsrule86]

105. Bernie could never beat Trump

However, it does not matter. He has lost the primary and will not be the nominee.

[Fawke Em]

139. This is the dream in this thread.

Polls consistently show Bernie doing better against Trump than Clinton. Hell, now polls are showing Clinton LOSING to Trump.

[KoKo]

181. If it's between those two...

Trump (the Crazy with Unsavory Connections) & Hillary (still under investigation by the FBI, plus, involved in Separate FOIA Lawsuits) & Bill with possible upcoming CGI Inquiries.....

Then I think its clear that Bernie is by far the best choice....For the Health of our Country.

[Databuser]

81. Thank Goodness...

...that Bernie Sanders CAN defeat tRump

[BootinUp]

22. lol nt

[frylock]

93. I can hardly contain myself!

[Logical]

128. Try not to get too worried

[hrmjustin]

132. I'm not.

[MsFlorida]

5. Perhaps the leaks are turning into a flood

Was always about the server, always. Wonder if now we find out she co-mingled foundation and state business.

[BillZBubb]

85. That one is the potential A Bomb.

It appears from the emails and the conflicting position of Ms. Abedin that SOS and Clinton Foundation activities were intertwined. If so, this will blow up big time.

The fact that Blumenthal was on the Foundation payroll also indicates big trouble.

[Samantha]

134. Blumenthal was on the Foundation payroll because President Obama told Clinton "no Blumenthal"

influence on his administration. I have often wondered how he felt when he saw those emails advising her on Syria and other matters....

Sam

[leveymg]

6. Guccifer says he also hacked her email on her unsecured server. BOOM!

Here's what NBC reports: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hacker-guccifer-i-got-inside-hillary-clinton-s-server-n568206

The Romanian hacker who first exposed Hillary Clinton's private email address is making a bombshell new claim -- that he also gained access to the former Secretary of State's "completely unsecured" server.

"It was like an open orchid on the Internet," Marcel Lehel Lazar, who uses the devilish handle Guccifer, told NBC News in an exclusive interview from a prison in Bucharest. "There were hundreds of folders."

BTW: That interview had to be weeks ago, because he's been extradited to the US for interrogation by the FBI. NBC must have been sitting on the story. Perhaps, the US Government found out that NBC had gotten in to interview him, and the FBI is now sitting on him.

[Dem2]

15. Man, are you ever drooling. You called her a "felon" earlier

I can't think a more despicable thing to be doing on a Democratic site.

[mindwalker_i]

26. Right, you're a completely impartial judge here

[Dem2]

32. Who are you?

Do you have a question/comment beyond a silly ad hominem?

[mindwalker_i]

43. ad-hominem:

ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem

1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

Not quite an accurate accusation on your part. I didn't take a position on the argument itself, merely commented that you are an impartial judge in this case. I actually didn't even attack you.

My statement stands that you are not a trustworthy source in this argument since you have an emotional attachment that prevents you from reacting logically.

[Dem2]

48. Did you not question my cred as a commenter here?

That's ridiculous, there is no requirement to be a specialist to post here, so thus it's an ad hominem.

[senz]

65. You are talking about ad hominems?

[mindwalker_i]

117. I didn't say that you not being a specialist was the problem

I said that you have an emotional attachment to the outcome, which makes you less able to reason through the issue logically. This should be very obvious. As a strong Hillary supporter, you will not be able, in general, to deal with issues that are negative to Hillary. Your reasoning is compromised. Therefore, your opinion is worth a whole lot less than someone who is impartial.

It's fair to say that I am also less than impartial. I support Sanders and very much do not trust Hillary. Therefore my opinion has less value when given for issues surrounding either of them. The difference is that I understand and acknowledge this limitation.

[leveymg]

119. Well, as someone who has been following this story closely,

I can assure you, she is. And, as a lifetime Democrat, I will also tell you, we need to get her away from the nomination as soon as possible. No apologies.

[FlatBaroque]

40. Perhaps the FBI is sitting on him.....yup.

The cover up is always worse than the crime. This will be proven to be true once again.

[NWCorona]

47. I think so too. nt

[FourScore]

77. Exactly. I've been saying, as soon as Trump gets the nomination, the MSM will talk about this...

and HERE WE GO!!!

[grasswire]

103. He was interviewed in Virginia in jail this week by FOX

Clinton campaign has put out a statement in response.

[Fawke Em]

145. And there is the crime.

She mishandled national security data by not following proper protocol.

Yes, Guccifer committed a crime by hacking into the server, as well, but the point here is that it is a crime to mishandle this data. period. It's what's known as an ipso facto crime: "by the fact itself", which means that a certain event is as a direct consequence of the action in question, instead of being brought about by a previous action. All this talk about "intent" is irrelevant here. When someone does not follow a reasonable protocol in handling this data - classified or not, doesn't matter - that person is in violation of US Code.

[COLGATE4]

157. Which law school did you graduate from?

[Fawke Em]

165. 13 years of covering courts as a reporter

And 10 years working in the cyber security industry where I'm required to know to know the law on it. I may not be a lawyer, but I have tons of experience deciphering the law, particularly in the field of handling sensitive and classified information.

[COLGATE4]

167. Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?

[COLGATE4]

169. When you actually study the law and pass the bar exam

we'll talk.

[Fawke Em]

172. What part of "required to know the law" on

this subject did you not understand? Do you think everyone with a security clearance or who handles sensitive data has to have a law degree?

I'm sure your doctor's compliance manager would appreciate having to pass the bar in addition to their other duties. They also are required to know certain data security laws.

[COLGATE4]

186. First rule of holes: When you're in one, stop digging.

You're trying to play lawyer but you haven't got the background or training for it.

[IdaBriggs]

147. FOX got to him two weeks ago/were about to scoop them. nt

[moriah]

7. He "gave no proof"

....

Hmmm.

If the FBI has reconstructed the server, they should be able to test him.

Set up four-five identical servers, with various username folders and such that are similar to the ones on the real server, but only one being identical to what was really used. Nothing but directory structure.

Get him to identify the right one.

[MsFlorida]

8. She needs to resign quickly

So she can spend more time with the family

[Hortensis]

13. Is that you, Trump? She's uuuglee, too, right?

Kidding, of course, but MsFlorida, are you sure you understand just who you're hauling water for? Bernie has lost but is dragging it out, even while we have moved into the GENERAL ELECTION. Hillary's opponents include the Kochtopus, other plutocrats, the GOP, Donald Trump, and Bernie's loyal followers.

[revmclaren]

63. MsFlorida now flagged for review....

Mirt is watching carefully now.

[haikugal]

106. Why act like we don't know who supports Hillary...and why question someone with such snark?

We didn't do all this, Hillary did.

[revmclaren]

58. hey troll....

we can see you.

[JTFrog]

114. Fuck that.

She isn't stupid enough to give in to right wing conspiracies. BernieBros on the other hand....

Just sayin...

[johnp3907]

171. You're the one who needs to resign.

Lots of bridges out there ya know.......

[moriah]

9. New change:

Now:

The FBI's review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.

[AgerolanAmerican]

12. someone made a call to NBC

and got that line inserted

[NWCorona]

17. Interesting! and worded to seem that it was the FBI's said that.

The FBI has never commented on that. That was Brian's lawyer.

[mcar]

18. Don't mess with the RW meme!

[dlwickham]

76. or left wing

since they're working against Hillary harder than the right wingers are

[mcar]

84. So sad to see

SMH

[mindwalker_i]

35. What logs did they examine?

Was the server running 'logrotate'? Is the hacker not a complete dumbass and can access the system in ways that don't affect the logs, or did he have a partially functioning brain cell and deleted the lines in the log specific to his hack?

The line about the logs not showing the hack are complete fluff. Fuck, use a goddamn brain cell!

[moriah]

53. I just was reporting change in the article.

Please don't suggest that I was not using a brain cell by posting it for the edification of DU. It's rather rude.

[mindwalker_i]

118. I wasn't commenting on you

I was commenting on the many people who consider it "case closed" after some people failed to find evidence in "the logs." Any insult is intended for them and I'm sorry that it seemed directed at you.

[WhiteTara]

91. My, my. Aren't you the rude one. nt

[mindwalker_i]

121. There will be people who claim that the FBI not finding evidence

... in the logs is definitive proof that the server wasn't hacked. It happened a couple of months ago with exactly the same statement that nothing was found in the logs. I wanted to point out that the FBI not finding "evidence in the logs" is a far cry from proving that the server wasn't hacked. A little simple reasoning - unclouded by a desire to declare Hillary didn't do anything wrong - should lead anyone with any knowledge of what a computer is (all of us) to that conclusion.

What's rude are the people who ridicule those who don't accept this as proof.

[farleftlib]

36. The ever-popular "unnamed source"

Sorry, but even if the server wasn't hacked, that does not change the fact that
she broke the law by installing it and then lying about it. Christ one of her aides
lost her Blackberry with all that stuff on it. The spin is outrageous but certainly
not unexpected.

[philosslayer]

44. Good hackers don't leave footprints

n/t

[Recursion]

82. Guccifer's not a hacker, though; he's a social engineer

He got Blumenthal's AOL account because he knew his dog's name.

[BlindTiresias]

100. That is not unusual with hackers

It is half technical expertise and half social engineering.

[Recursion]

156. Right, but I mean the social side is *all* Guccifer does

He's sort of the People Magazine of Phrack, if you will

[MsFlorida]

10. Why extradite then......

[FlatBaroque]

41. To keep him under lock and key.

[Doctor_J]

11. So that part about how Hillary is untouchable because she's been scrutinised for twenty years

Hmmm....

[trumad]

16. Uh...

When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims, nor did he ever release anything on-line supporting his allegations, as he had frequently done with past hacks. The FBI's review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.

[bobbobbins01]

34. I do find it odd that he didn't release anything online, since that is his MO.

but I will say, any hacker worth their salt knows how to edit log files to remove signs of hacking, so that part doesn't mean very much.

[leveymg]

122. My guess his MO changed when someone paid hard cash

That bought his partial silence about her files. I'm thinking the customer was Russian intelligence or another country anf that they are highly amused by watching how badly we mishandle crimes involving the rich and powerful.

[Barack_America]

69. Wasn't he just extradited to the U.S.?

Wonder why.

[Sparkly]

19. Good thing there was no secret info on there.

She used the secure system for that.

And the rest is in the public domain now, thanks to Judicial Watch.

[tex-wyo-dem]

59. My understanding is she didn't even have a...

state.gov email address and used her clintonemail.com for all her communications...personal, foundation and official State business.

[Sparkly]

104. A state.gov email address is also not secure for classified info

There is a separate system. That is what she used.

[haikugal]

107. It is? Would you have a link to that info? I've never heard that before.

[lancer78]

125. You really think

The government would be stupid enough to put classified emails on a .gov server? You can be damn sure they have different systems for that.

[haikugal]

126. She put them on her private server, did the government know about that?

[radical noodle]

130. I also understand that to be true

It was stated a long time ago (but of course the GOP ignored that part). I'll try to find a link somewhere but it was a long time ago that I heard it.

[snagglepuss]

111. What separate system? Please provide link.

[haikugal]

127. Thanks I'd like to know as well.

[Autumn]

144. *Crickets*

[radical noodle]

137. Link

on FactCheck.org. Since these are obviously Hillary's answers to the questions, some of you may choose not to believe them, but she could not so obviously lie about a separate classified server when this was going out for everyone to see. Page 7, second question from the bottom addresses the separate server for classified docs in the state dept.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2015/03/HRC-staff-QA-pdf.pdf

[ebayfool]

152. That's the server at State. The one she didn't like using.

The link goes to her released statement: "OFFICE OF HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON"

Was classified material sent or received by Secretary Clinton on this email address? (speaking of the home server - added by me)

"No. A separate, closed system was used by the Department for the sole purpose of handling classified communications
which was designed to prevent such information from being transmitted anywhere other than within that system, including
to outside email accounts."

Um, Imma gonna go with it's a little self-serving on this one.

It's already been shown that classified stuff was on her basement server, so her statement is a lie. And Clintons' have already shown that in-your-face-lying is not something they have a problem doing.

[radical noodle]

155. Don't think so

the stuff on her server was classified after she received them and before they were released via FOIA. That's why it's taking them so long to release them.

[Matt_R]

170. You may be mistaken...

Clinton had asked an aide to "remove the headers, and send unsecure" when the secure fax was down. FBI have yet to release some un-redacted emails.

[Fawke Em]

148. Classified info is stored on the closed-loop systems SIPRnet and JWICS.

These do not face the outside in anyway.

But, the rub is this:

The FBI is investigating whether members of Hillary Clinton’s inner circle “cut and pasted” material from the government’s classified network so that it could be sent to her private email address, former State Department security officials say.

Clinton and her top aides had access to a Pentagon-run classified network that goes up to the Secret level, as well as a separate system used for Top Secret communications.

The two systems — the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) and the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) — are not connected to the unclassified system, known as the Non-Classified Internet Protocol Router Network (NIPRNet). You cannot email from one system to the other, though you can use NIPRNet to send ­emails outside the government.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/24/hillarys-team-copied-intel-off-top-secret-server-to-email/

[agracie]

162. That's a new one on me... Link ?

[Sparkly]

168. Are you kidding?

Of COURSE there were and are secure systems for classified communications. I'm surprised this is new. How else would she have done her work, and where is the classified material? Do people think she just didn't get any secret information?

There was even a big brouhaha when a secure fax wouldn't go through to her, and she suggested just sending it non-secure. Once it was something already published in newspapers. The classification system can be a big headache -- and every other sentence could be called "classified."

So here's a reference to that controversy (?) from January:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Clinton's request in 2011 that a document be emailed to her instead of sent by secure fax emerged as the latest political uproar over her private email account Friday, as a top Republican senator accused her of ordering classified information scrubbed. It wasn't clear if any information in the document was classified to begin with.

The June 17, 2011, exchange focused on a set of "talking points" on an unspecified subject that Clinton had waited for since the previous evening. After senior adviser Jake Sullivan emailed her about "issues sending secure fax," Clinton suggested he turn it "into nonpaper w/no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

Nonpaper refers to an informal document, without official markings like letterhead or logos, not saved for records.

Although the State Department said a review showed the document never was sent to Clinton by email, and instead apparently by secure fax, after all, Republicans quickly jumped on the passage.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-dept-misses-court-deadline-clinton-emails-133145160--politics.html?ref=gs

[2cannan]

149. Regarding classified materials

From the timeline:
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Medium_Version_-_Part_1

snip

January 21, 2009 - February 1, 2013: In her time as secretary of state, Clinton uses only her private email account on her private server for all her work and personal emails. There are 62,320 emails sent to or from her [email protected] address, which is an average of 296 a week, or nearly 1,300 a month. Clinton will later claim that roughly half of these (31,830) were private in nature and she will delete them before investigators can look at them. The Washington Post will later explain, "Most of her emails were routine, including those sent to friends. Some involved the coordination of efforts to bring aid to Haiti by the State Department and her husband's New York-based Clinton Foundation - notes that mixed government and family business, the emails show. Others involved classified matters. State Department and Intelligence Community officials have determined that 2,093 email chains contained classified information. Most of the classified emails have been labeled as 'confidential,' the lowest level of classification. Clinton herself authored 104 emails that contained classified material, a Post analysis later found." (The Washington Post, 3/27/2016) Twenty-two of her emails will later be determined to be classified "top secret" or even higher than top secret in some cases, due to the mention of highly secretive SAP, or secret access programs. (The New York Times, 1/29/2016)

[brush]

20. "Guccifer" you say? Didn't someone just call Cruz "Guccifer in the flesh"?

No wait, that was Lucifer in the flesh.

Name sounds kinda made up to me. But every port in a storm is latched on to by the wishful thinking Sanders' camp.

[arcane1]

27. It is a made-up name, according to the article. It's a handle n/t

[Fawke Em]

154. Yes. A hacker isn't going to use his real name. LOL!

One of the most famous hackers is still unknown: The Jester.

It's assumed that The Jester is a government insider, given what he knows, but no one really knows for sure.

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r

[-none]

158. No, Cruz was called Lucifer.

But you knew that, didn't you?

[brush]

161. Yeah, I wrote that in text of my post.

[GreydeeThos]

21. Statements from someone in jail who wants to get out

[Matt_in_STL]

28. Yes, because admitting to crimes on NBC gets you out of jail

[GreydeeThos]

31. Yes, you can so trust people who are incarcerated by the Federal Government

[Matt_in_STL]

61. Many cases have been broken by those in custody

It certainly isn't unheard of

[COLGATE4]

159. And lots more innocent people have been screwed by

slimeballs already in custody trying to cut a deal for themselves.

[Baobab]

29. Lets prevent discussion of important issues like trade deal lockdown of the future world, forever.

and the fact that jobs re going away for good, globally.

[Kelvin Mace]

33. Kind of hard to take seriously with no evidence

When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims, nor did he ever release anything on-line supporting his allegations, as he had frequently done with past hacks. The FBI's review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.

"There is absolutely no basis to believe the claims made by this criminal from his prison cell. In addition to the fact he offers no proof to support his claims, his descriptions of Secretary Clinton's server are inaccurate. It is unfathomable that he would have gained access to her emails and not leaked them the way he did to his other victims.

[FlatBaroque]

46. He must be a BernieBro.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. The poster or the hacker?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

57. Everyone...

just everyone.

[haikugal]

109. LOL

[panader0]

99. "according to a source familiar with the case"

Well, that's proof then huh?

[mooseprime]

102. the last time i got extradited on a criminal charge

i wasn't given as much time as i needed to pack.

[COLGATE4]

160. I know. It's a bitch, isn't it. You don't know where

you're going, what kind of clothes to take, etc.etc.

[cherokeeprogressive]

124. "When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation... from his prison cell."

[Kelvin Mace]

143. Seems to me this would have

been something he boasted about and provided evidence before when bragging about it before his arrest.

[Fawke Em]

150. He did boast about it.

“I had memos Hillary Clinton got as a State Secretary, with CIA briefings. These were being read by her, two other people from the US Government, and Guccifer. I used to read her memos for six-seven hours and then I’d get up and do the gardening in the yard,” he says.

https://pando.com/2015/03/20/exclusive-interview-jailed-hacker-guccifer-boasts-i-used-to-read-hillarys-memos-for-six-seven-hours-and-then-do-the-gardening/

[Kelvin Mace]

151. What is it youngsters say these days?

Photos or it didn't happen. Seems that producing the emails back then would have bolstered his claim. Stupid thing to claim now since by making such claims he is going to get hit with far worse charges.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

37. "There is absolutely no basis to believe the claims made by this criminal from his prison cell,"

Wait, isn't it her prison cell...

Oh, wait, no....

Never mind.

[procon]

42. I finally figured it out... this stuff is like Porn to the Bernie bunch.

The omitted text changes everything:

When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims, nor did he ever release anything on-line supporting his allegations, as he had frequently done with past hacks. The FBI's review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.

Hand sanitizer, anyone?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

49. You want to erase this???^^^^^^^^^

Let's not say that here.

EDIT: Thank you, jury.

[senz]

71. I think they were referring to the attack on Bernie FB groups.

Too bad they didn't make it clearer.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/clintons-internet-supporters-allegedly-using-porno.html

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

75. OK thank you...

I suppose that does take the edge off of it, but it is still not something you want out there - especially not out of context like that.

Everything that is written here becomes searchable.

[JTFrog]

115. They are flagged for review. They won't be back. n/t

[riversedge]

54. Take down your ugly post.

[Codeine]

56. MIRT needs to pay that particularly unstable poster a visit. nt

[Codeine]

64. Flagged for review.

Good job, admins.

[procon]

60. Impossible to keep up with all the rightwing talking points.

Everyday, it's more of the same... 'O.M.G. this is it!' Yeah, fresh porn. Feels so good to post it, yeah? You lot boast about the latest discovered fantasy from some unnamed source dishing out unverified crapola lifted from another rightwing expert, that produces nothing but hot air. Everyday the same people post multiple threads of the same useless junk like this, so how gullible is that?

[senz]

62. Darn those Bernie supporters -- always interested in news that affects the candidates.

The nerve!

[procon]

66. You have negative Bernie posts? nt

[senz]

68. Not making sense, procon.

[procon]

78. Really? Here -- work with me now -- imagine you type "Bernie" into Google News...

Why look, just like magic, we can read all kinds of negative -- remember, that was my keyword -- news pieces on a guy call, Bernie that never get the same traction. Such as:



Why Bernie Didn't Get My Vote...

It's over for Bernie Sanders - he needs to stop attacking Hillary



See what I'm saying? You made a false assertion that you "Bernie supporters -- always interested in news that affects the candidates." But that's not true, you are only post the feel good, puff pieces about your guy.

[senz]

88. Those are opinion pieces. They exist pro and con for all candidates.

The NBC news story in the OP is not an opinion piece. It's a news report.

[Scurrilous]

129. "...this stuff is like Porn to the Bernie bunch."

Hence the explodin'.

And after 3 edits the OP still omits that vital info.

[amborin]

50. Probably not a coincidence he was recently extradited

http://gawker.com/hacker-guccifer-claims-he-broke-into-hillary-clintons-e-1774786170

[riversedge]

52. So you, as a Dem are gleeful of a baseless lie being told of a Democratic cardiate!-Shame on you!!

[Jester Messiah]

73. "Baseless?"

I reject that premise.

[riversedge]

87. Did you read the OP????--no proof offerred. Nada!

[riversedge]

94. Waiting for your evidence.

[panader0]

101. Why was he extradited?

[Land of Enchantment]

67. "It was like an open orchid on the internet." hmmm

I have read that truly skilled hackers (such as those in Anonymous) leave no traces.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

80. I expect the NSA was overseeing this?

[Land of Enchantment]

89. Yep, nothing the NSA does surprises me. They seem to

operate without any parameters and they are always listening...

[Tarc]

70. "When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims..."

The Indictment Fairy is waiting for your clap.

[HooptieWagon]

133. Since when are prisoners allowed documents in their cell?

Let alone ones of classified information hacked from the U.S. SOS's private server?

[Tarc]

135. Again, tune out of the NCIS and CSIs and tune in to real life

Defendants have rights to keep and maintain files pertinent to their defense, if not wit them personally than kept with their lawyer.

My goodness, the screeching hysterics of Camp Sanders tonight as they become "Guccifer"'s #1 Best Fan Ever is truly a sight to behold.

[HooptieWagon]

138. Classified documents hacked from Clintons email aren't pertinent to his defense.

Nor would he be allowed to keep any documents obtained by hacking, or notes he took on hacking govt officials computers.

[Tarc]

142. Your excuses for having to evidence to back up his claim are awfully convenient, aren't they?

When (not if) this winds up being another Killian Documents mess, we'll be here to say we told you so.

So, good luck with Hail Mary attempt #261.

[HooptieWagon]

146. I'm not worried, or making excuses.

The FBI will be able to determine whether he hacked into her computer or not. We DO know he hacked into Blumenthall's email, because he posted it online. That's how Clintons server was discovered.
Regardless of whether he got into her server or not is still only a sidebar to her not handling classified information in the prescribed manner.

[Scurrilous]

74. I think I got some in my eye...

...better.

[SDJay]

79. I Want To Offer an Answer

to your last question:

"On another subject, does anyone else think the timing is odd? The day after Trump gets the nomination. I mean, NBC interviewed Guccifer in Romania; so that means they had this info and SAT ON IT until now. Why? Why would they do that? Aaarrrrgggh!!"

Because ratings. The for-profit media now has exactly what it wants - a ratings fucking bonanza. Every. Single. Day. Monkey poop will be flying in both directions. Dramaramarama will be spilling out of every TV screen, despite the fact that it's manufactured.

This is the Reality TV General Election, and one of the candidates is actually a Reality TV figure. The other is someone who has been a lightning rod for the entire public for more than a generation. They both fight dirty. They both get pissed off and unload on folks. They are both relentless when they decide to pursue a goal.

Want your cure for bullcrap summertime TV ratings? NO PROBLEM! WE'VE GOT CLINTON V. DRUMPF! COME ONE, COME ALL FOR THE CIRCUS OF THE CENTURY!

It makes me ill, but this was most likely released because they've always known HRC would be the Democratic nominee. Now they know Drumpf is set for the other side. It's time to get that programming rolling.

[FourScore]

83. sadly, I think you are right. n/t

[SDJay]

86. Ratings. Nothing Else Matters.

"News" organizations are now for-profit. They have to operate in the black unlike pre-cable when they were generally loss leaders for the network because the federal government required one hour of objective news coverage in order to use their airwaves.

They don't give a fuck about who wins for the most part. They just want to make sure they get the maximum number of eyeballs on the TV screen and computer monitor/smart phone. They really don't even give a fuck about vetting many of their stories or being accurate. Just ratings.

Clinton v. Drumpf would garner absolutely astronomical ratings relative to Sanders v. Drumpf. Simple as that.

Sad, simple truth in my opinion.

[riversedge]

95. Many will jump on baseless articles just to smear Hillary

[ucrdem]

98. The next 8 years are going to be all-sleaze-all-the-time.

Oh well.

[grossproffit]

108. Yep and my patience is gone.

[ucrdem]

96. Do tell.

[Peace Patriot]

110. I'm not sure it matters whether he hacked her private server or not.

If true, it would just add some drama to the risks she was already taking with national security (and with her own reputation). Deliberately using a private system that was vulnerable to hacking is the offense. That it was hacked--if it was--would just be an extra point.

The FBI has Guccifer in custody and Bryan Pagliano (the one who set up her private server, as a paid employee of Clinton herself) was given immunity. So the FBI ought to be able to figure out, between the two of them, the technical details of the lack of security, and other matters as well. Guccifer, for instance, hacked Sydney Blumenthal's email server (this is how her private server was discovered) and that unveiled a number of national security issues, including Blumenthal providing Clinton with classified documents that he shouldn't have had. He had no security clearance. After President Obama banned Blumenthal from employment at the State Department, Clinton got him hired at the Clinton Foundation, and communicated with him using her secret server. It's hard not to conclude that she was using the secret server to evade that presidential order. Whether that alone is illegal or not, I don't know, but it certainly does not speak well for her trustworthiness nor her loyalty to Obama.

Hubris comes to mind.

This investigation is a tangle of Clinton "baggage," Clinton secretiveness, Clinton missteps, Clinton bad decisions, tens of thousands of Clinton emails, legal issues of many kinds including national security violations and FOIA violations and obstruction of justice. It is already like an octopus with tentacles into the Clinton Foundation, Sec Clinton's official approval of arms deals, her creation of a civil war in Libya where tens of thousands of people have suffered murder, rape and other brutality, and mass displacement, her support of the fascist coup in Honduras (mentioned in the emails) which has led to death squad murders of peaceful activists including many women (who are leading the democracy and environmental movements in Honduras), and so much more.

It is impossible to know what the FBI makes of it all, or what their motives may be. They could be protecting her from the RW morons in Congress. There is a recent precedent. It was this very President who told us that "we must look forward not backward" on the crimes of the rich and powerful (Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld, et al). So there's that. But the FBI also has its reputation to protect (and possibly spy agencies on their neck, to shut down insecure violations). If they apply the law even-handedly, Clinton--as the decision-maker on the private email server and the top authority at the State Department--could be in serious legal trouble. Obama recently called a reporter into the White House and declared, repeatedly and emphatically, that there has been "NO political influence on this investigation." He was so adamant about this that it made you wonder. But it's anyone's guess if there has been political influence, would it be pro-Clinton or anti-Clinton, and from where?

[FourScore]

120. This is such a well-reasoned post. Excellent analysis, Peace Patriot.

Thank you.

[leveymg]

123. Great post. You should put it up as an OP

[vintx]

177. This should be an OP

[randome]

112. Look out! Here it comes! Oh. Never mind.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[JTFrog]

113. "He we go!" Nope, no way to read EXCITEMENT into that post at all.

[HooptieWagon]

136. Y'all realize...

That any hint of Obama covering for her, let alone a pardon, is going to have all the Republicans immediately lining up behind Trump.

[bobbobbins01]

140. He released this right before his arrest in 2014

I don't think it proves he was on her server, he probably got it from the emails, but there is a lot more...apparently there was a 7 gig data dump onto the internet right before he was caught.

http://cryptome.org/2013/08/guccifer-hillary-200k.pdf

some of the archive is here:
http://cryptome.org/2014/01/guccifer-cryptome.htm

[politixnewz]

153. Why Did NBC Sit On Explosive “Guccifer” Claims For Weeks?

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/why-did-nbc-sit-on-explosive-story-about-clintons-alleged-hacked-email-server-for-weeks/

[pdsimdars]

163. About the timing. . . I wondered if the FBI had anything to do with it.

Since NBC had it for a while, maybe the FBI didn't want them to release it and then gave them the go ahead.
Maybe they're trying to get the message to Hillary drip by drip to let her down easily. Or something like that. Like, if you go away, we will too. I don't know. I had the same wierd feeling about the timing.

[laserhaas]

164. After banter of FBI leaks possible

Ive been wondering the same thing

[Fla Dem]

166. He could provide NO DOCUMENTATION to back up his claims. Much ado = nothing.

When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims, nor did he ever release anything online supporting his allegations, as he had frequently done with past hacks. The FBI's review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.

Some dude who wants to gain notoriety.

[Fawke Em]

174. That source is Bryan Pagliano

Given his horrid track record in cyber security, I wouldn't trust that info.

[Tarc]

173. Between this non-story and the one you just self-deleted on a moment ago

Y'know, the one where cited the goddamned EU Times a site well-known to anti-hate watchdogs, Emailgate is taking quite a dent today.

[JTFrog]

175. +1 n/t

[libdem4life]

178. The medieval concept of the Court Jester is alive and well today.

It's in the form of "unapproved sites" now. Why? Because the King's Court does not want to be bearers of bad or inconvenient news...what with heads rolling potential.

The Court Jester could tell the truth about the King...and people could laugh and relieve their tension and continue in, what today we call The Bubble.

Fascinating process.

[Tarc]

179. Did you not understand what we're talking about, or did you willfully ignore it?

Would you like to see a sample of their headlines?

England Bans Its Own Flag to Avoid Offending Muslims
Pentagon Warns To Expect “Radical” Change In US Government Soon
ADL Calls For Major Law Enforcement Operation To Deal With Obamacare Critics
US Earthquake Weapon Test Fails Again, Destroys New Zealand City
Three giant spaceships to attack Earth in 2012?

From hte SOuthern Poverty Law Center;
RACIST SKINHEAD'S WIFE BEHIND EUROPEAN 'NEWS' WEBSITE

[FourScore]

180. Why are you stalking me? It was an honest mistake to post something from a banned source

and I deleted it. Now you're drawing more attention to it WITH LINKS!

You're being kind of creepy, you know.

[Tarc]

184. It shows how desperate the Sanders camp is to push the Emailgate meme

[libdem4life]

182. Thank you. My comments still stand. If they tell truth, then it's irrelevant.

I think this is a hysterical response to a simple concept. I'd scan those articles, and make my own decision. The MSM has not done its job. If it had, we would not have these ridiculuous exchanges.

If my kid is in the street and someone yells at them that a car is coming...do I care whether I like or even agree with that person? No. It's really that simple. Some of the BS that we are fed on The Nightly News is pure garbage, as well. The alternative press is not sacrosanct either. Thus, we're reduced to make our own decisions. That's why I'm a Liberal.

[Tarc]

183. You're making extremely flimsy analogies to prop up a antisemitic blog,

just because it happens to post one news article that might advance your political cause.

[libdem4life]

185. I read for information, sort through my values, and make a decision.

There are many, many other analogies...some in real life. But I wanted to make it simple to understand.

There is a segment here that hyperventilates over certain sites and authors. I trust myself and other intelligent folk to be able to sort through both the author, the site, and the information. Often those made fun of are quoting MSN sources. That really is a head shaker.

[Blue_Adept]

176. Such a sense of deja vu with Fitzmas here...

[bobthedrummer]

187. The Groundwork: The stealthy, Eric Schmidt-backed startup that's working to put Hillary Clinton in

the White House (Adam Pasick & Tim Fernholz October 2015)
http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign

It isn't tinfoil when it has a Patent-is it? I'm talking about behavioral science/mind control tech that could be used politically by those that have the will to do so.

Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 (Ballotpedia)
http://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016

K&R.