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Serious Question re: Nate Silver (Original Post) BlueDemKev Oct 2012 OP
Google his name read his bio look at past postings it's all there Thekaspervote Oct 2012 #1
State polls, economic factors national polls Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #2
Magic, duh... Ztolkins Oct 2012 #3
That Wasn't Nice./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #4
I thought this was common knowledge... Ztolkins Oct 2012 #7
His book abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #5
His model is complex RomneyLies Oct 2012 #6
A Formula november3rd Oct 2012 #8
Statistics Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #9
Nate has put together a regression model PsychProfessor Oct 2012 #10

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
2. State polls, economic factors national polls
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:29 PM
Oct 2012

All feed into a Monte Carlo simulation of an election, they increase (or decrease) probability of an outcome in simulation. Monte Carlo simulation run hundreds of times. Probabilities based on number of times an outcome happens.

Ztolkins

(429 posts)
7. I thought this was common knowledge...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:28 PM
Oct 2012

I know because I've seen it all over the MSM lately...Morning Joe is gospel.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
6. His model is complex
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:45 PM
Oct 2012

He takes into account all polls. He weights polls based upon bias and past accuracy. He weights them based upon number of people polled and how the likely voter model is built by each pollster.

To this he add additional data such ans financial reporting, GDP, and unemployment.

the precise mechanisms within his model are, of course, a trade secret and will never be completely revealed because if he revealed his model, anybody could duplicate it.

 

november3rd

(1,113 posts)
8. A Formula
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:16 AM
Oct 2012

He put over thirty-five years of polling and economic data into his database and uses it to model predictions in current races bases on current polls and economic data.

PsychProfessor

(204 posts)
10. Nate has put together a regression model
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:09 AM
Oct 2012

This is basically a statistical equation. Imagine something like this:
B1*X + B2*Y +B3*Z = the election outcome

Those B's are weights that are used to determine how much each of the variables, X, Y, and Z contribute to the prediction of that outcome. The X's, Y's and Z's are predictor variables, these might might be economic data or they might be different national or state polls. And there are, I am sure, a whole bunch of these. The weights are determined by the how each of these predictors has contributed to accurate predictions in the past.

So, Nate devised a complex equation that takes into account as many relevant predictor variables as possible and fed them into past elections to see how they did in predicting those outcomes. Doing this, you can then devise a basic equation that takes whatever data you have and spits out a prediction. Nate's regression model is clearly more complex than this, including parameters for things like proximity to election day.

Then, (I think) he performs a whole bunch of simulations. This means that the data are then run a bajillion times (not to get to technical ) and you see how often the circumstances you have produce each of the outcomes you are interested in. So, when Nate says that Obama has, say, a 75% chance of winning he is saying that in those many many simulations, an Obama victory came out 75% of the time. What is important to keep in mind is that Nate's model is a forecasting model. It is for making predictions. It is not about fitting data to the past, but using past data and current data to make a prediction. (as compared to that U of Colorado model). Also, the model itself was constructed a priori, that is, BEFORE the polls started coming in. He is stuck with model he has and as you can tell when he talks about it, he talks about what it does, not what he is doing to it.

At the state level, it is the same idea. Given the local circumstances, the polls, the history of that state etc. a model is built that predicts the state going for either candidate. The simulations tell us, given the data we have, what percentage of the time that state goes in either direction. (I am pretty sure these are also based on simulations...)

I hope this helps!

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