In response to DWS's new mouthful of foot

[hellofromreddit]

If independents are expected to stay the hell out during the primary, what are we expected to do in the general?

[metroins]

1. Be an independent...

And vote who you think is best.

Party nominations are for...the parties.

Independents aren't in a party.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. parties need independents

[metroins]

39. In the GE

Primaries are for party nominations.

But the real fact is, each state chooses it's own rules, so there's no debate.

[hellofromreddit]

40. There is obviously a debate.

[Renew Deal]

2. Independents can pick a side.

At least for the short term of the election.

[MisterP]

3. make the GE closed ballot too! (don't think they're not thinking of it--in CA we only get

two candidates per race)

[silvershadow]

4. That one will come back to haunt her. nt

[Renew Deal]

9. No it won't.

Most Democrats agree and she has no personal control of it. It is a state choice.

[madokie]

14. I'm not sure shes

hauntable

[silvershadow]

19. More like haunting. nt

[RufusTFirefly]

20. In case you weren't already guaranteed to have nightmares...

[Else You Are Mad]

5. Today's

Independents will be next cycle's Democrats, and they know it. This is the last elections where establishment center right Democrats have any chance of winning.

[Phlem]

29. K&R this!

[Else You Are Mad]

37. Just wait...

In 4 or 8 years these same people will be complaining that the progressive Democrats that stayed in the party after this election shouldn't have the right to vote in the primaries.

[libdem4life]

6. She should be confronted with the Democratic losses during her stay

at the DNC. Anything to keep the Establishment in control, regardless of its results. And they are shockingly negative.

[vintx]

32. Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats

Those losses?

Like she gives a fuck. The fans still love her and she's still getting paid

[libdem4life]

43. It's a Group Think thing. n/t

[seabeyond]

7. DWS was right on. Nt

[sadoldgirl]

10. Then let the party pay for it!

Don't use taxpayer's money!
Or do you think only party members pay taxes?

[seabeyond]

12. I think.... Democrats should elect their candidate. Yes, I do.

[brush]

13. Parties pay for caucuses

With the two-party system we have, primaries will most likely continue to be paid for by the states.

[sadoldgirl]

16. Right you are. Then let's get closed caucuses

in every state.Is that what you want?
We had ours that way, and Bernie won big.
Since it was such a mess though the legislature
plans to go to open primaries again.

[brush]

23. I happen to be of the opinion that primaries and caucuses should be for party members.

If independents want to vote in primaries, join a party and do phone banking, canvassing, signage, etc., or start one and do phone banking, canvassing, signage, etc.

IMO if one isn't willing to work within a party for their preferred candidate, why should they be allowed to participating in who the party nominates?

[sadoldgirl]

33. That does not answer the public funding

of a party function.

[brush]

34. The two-party actuality of our system does.

Dems and repugs will keep their respective states paying for primaries.

Try talking to your congressperson about that is you think you can get them to change that.

Won't happen as both parties benefit.

[sufrommich]

8. Vote for the nominee of your choice? nt

[oldandhappy]

11. Thanks!

[brooklynite]

15. Pick the best choice who can actually get elected.

[hellofromreddit]

17. Well, am I ALLOWED to? I'm not in the party!

[scscholar]

18. If someone isn't informed enough to pick a party...

should they really be voting?

[Vincardog]

21. You pretend that independants are refusing to join center right parties beause they are not informed

I would suggest they some may not be willing to join organized parties because they are to CONSERVATIVE.

[scscholar]

24. CONSERVATIVE is a place?

> to CONSERVATIVE.

I'm trying to understand.

[Vincardog]

25. The parties are too CONSERVATIVE. People are not as dumb as you pretend they are

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[scscholar]

27. Where?

You're not making any sense.

[arcane1]

28. I know you're trying to pretend to be obtuse, but it's just coming across asshole-ish.

[hellofromreddit]

31. I'm pretty sure that's all he's got.

[bigbrother05]

42. maybe too grammar-ish?

[hellofromreddit]

22. Is your comment a fair representation of what the democrats have become?

[Phlem]

30. OMG!

That is nothing but fail and irony simultaneously.

[AgingAmerican]

26. Voter supression

[Progressive dog]

35. Up to you

independents. I would expect you to vote for the candidate that you like best in the general. No one stops independents from joining the party, but if they can't be bothered or they haven't decided if they'd rather support Republicans, then they shouldn't vote in the Democratic primary.

[Ferd Berfel]

36. Apparently

go suck an egg

DWS couldn't have been more successful at destroying the Dem Party if she were a Republican. They seem to think that regardless of how badly they fuck this up - everyone will come round and vote for the Corporatist.

[Scuba]

41. "... what are we expected to do in the general?" Lose.

[DrDan]

44. Do you vote in a country club's election where you are not a member?

How about unions where you are not a member - do you get to vote in their elections?
HOAs you are not a member of?

Can you vote in elections for ANY group in which you are not a member?

Why this sense of entitlement with respect to political parties?

[hellofromreddit]

46. That is specious.

If the primary process had no effect on people outside the party then, in a convoluted way, you'd have a point.

But that's not the case.

[DrDan]

47. What about voting for mayors, city and county commissioners

Those are all closed and have an impact beyond the borders.

Admit it - some just have a sense of entitlement

[pdsimdars]

45. From her record, it is apparent she doesn't know how to think ahead