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Latest Polls April 29th Show Sanders Doing Better Than Clinton Against Republicans



Latest Polls
Friday
April 29, 2016


General Election: Trump vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Clinton 47, Trump 40 Clinton +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders IBD/TIPP Sanders 50, Trump 38 Sanders +12

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Clinton 47, Cruz 40 Clinton +7
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders IBD/TIPP Sanders 49, Cruz 38 Sanders +11

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Kasich 45, Clinton 41 Kasich +4
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders IBD/TIPP Sanders 46, Kasich 42 Sanders +4

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Reply Latest Polls April 29th Show Sanders Doing Better Than Clinton Against Republicans (Original post)
imagine2015 May 2016 OP
SFnomad May 2016 #1
imagine2015 May 2016 #4
SFnomad May 2016 #21
Albertoo May 2016 #2
imagine2015 May 2016 #5
Albertoo May 2016 #7
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #44
Albertoo May 2016 #48
stillwaiting May 2016 #34
Albertoo May 2016 #51
TDale313 May 2016 #3
elleng May 2016 #6
Albertoo May 2016 #8
Dragonfli May 2016 #10
Albertoo May 2016 #12
Dragonfli May 2016 #14
brooklynite May 2016 #32
Dragonfli May 2016 #35
TM99 May 2016 #36
TDale313 May 2016 #11
Albertoo May 2016 #13
TDale313 May 2016 #15
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #16
brooklynite May 2016 #33
Albertoo May 2016 #49
Qutzupalotl May 2016 #17
Albertoo May 2016 #50
Baobab May 2016 #53
highprincipleswork May 2016 #20
Albertoo May 2016 #52
highprincipleswork May 2016 #55
Albertoo May 2016 #56
highprincipleswork May 2016 #57
Albertoo May 2016 #58
annavictorious May 2016 #28
w4rma May 2016 #54
JDPriestly May 2016 #9
Desert805 May 2016 #24
JDPriestly May 2016 #25
Ash_F May 2016 #18
Betty Karlson May 2016 #19
pdsimdars May 2016 #22
imagine2015 May 2016 #23
Mike Nelson May 2016 #26
Buzz Clik May 2016 #27
Android3.14 May 2016 #29
SaschaHM May 2016 #31
Android3.14 May 2016 #45
SaschaHM May 2016 #46
Joe the Revelator May 2016 #30
Metric System May 2016 #37
politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #39
floppyboo May 2016 #40
MFM008 May 2016 #38
Demsrule86 May 2016 #41
hack89 May 2016 #42
SaschaHM May 2016 #47
Tarc May 2016 #43
amborin May 2016 #59

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:25 AM

1. 2156 vs. 1412 .... so it really doesn't matter, BS isn't going to get the chance

 

And after the Republican scorched Earth smear machine was through with him ... do you really think he would be polling so well?

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:28 AM

4. Your delegate count is off by about 500. You might want to correct that before you make .....

 

general election predictions.

Hillary will not have enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention.

You didn't know that?

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:54 AM

21. Secretary Clinton will win the nomination on the first ballot ... you know that, right? n/t

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:27 AM

2. Sanders does only marginally better than Hillary

 

And that's even before Trump skewers Sanders on 'Socialism' and 'revolution'

The polls sound far more convincing when it comes to Hillary who is a stateswoman.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #2)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:30 AM

5. "Hillary who is a stateswoman." What do you mean by that? She does like making war.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #5)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:34 AM

7. I mean a Secretary of State is usually referred to as a statesman/woman

 

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #7)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:43 PM

44. I think they have to, you know, be GOOD at it to attain that title.

 

Just sayin'...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #44)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:48 AM

48. Says who?

 

GW still would be called a statesman, and that's about as bad as it gets.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #2)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:48 PM

34. Trump has NOTHING to skewer Hillary with. NOTHING I say.

Do I need the tag?

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #34)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:54 AM

51. Trump and Hillary have the same amount of ammo, while Trump would bury Sanders

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:28 AM

3. This has been consistent for months now.

We're making a mistake if we nominate Hillary.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #3)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:32 AM

6. Yes.

How many will notice or care?

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #3)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:35 AM

8. Sanders = Cruz: too extreme to rally the swing center

 

which is why I don't buy the polls so far from election time

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:42 AM

10. He wins independents by large margins, your information is simply incorrect. /nt

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:44 AM

12. Not information, just my opinion

 

come election time

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #12)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:48 AM

14. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, I encourage people being free to do such /nt

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:39 PM

32. NO, he wins DEMOCRATIC LEANING independent by large margins...

...the General Election voter profile is larger and more centrist.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #32)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:51 PM

35. Not according to national polls on issues, you are stuck in a 1990's time loop. catch up!

I'd assume you think that those right leaning Limbaugh independents are the ones that will put her over the top seeing as you (although improperly imply more independents are right wing) are going to be the Independents she will win if she hopes to win the GE.

I only assume this because you don't think it is a problem that Democratic leaning Independents do not like or favor her. This implies more about her on the right left scale than you realize, if your assumptions are correct.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #32)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:55 PM

36. No it is not.

 

That is ridiculous.

Right leaning independents when able vote in the GOP primary. Left leaning independents when able vote in the Dem primary.

They don't all suddenly morph into this magical fucking centrist bullshit you neoliberals have spouted since the 1990's.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:43 AM

11. Bernie's not extreme. His populist message appeals to independents

And even some Republicans. In an antiestablishment year we're about to nominate the ultimate status quo establishment politician while they nominate Trump who has spent the primaries swallowing establishment politicians whole. It's a bad matchup for us. She may still win- I hope she would. But she is not our best choice on policy or pragmatically in beating Trump.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #11)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:46 AM

13. The use of the word 'Socialism' is a killer

 

Trump is a good orator; my guess is he'd make minced meat of the word and the idea.

Which is why I think Hillary is a much safer bet.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:50 AM

15. It means nothing to those under 50.

Honestly. They think of European countries that actually know how to take care of their people. Republicans have spent a decade calling Obama a Socialist to very little effect.

I realize that older people vote more- but I think older people are also overestimating how effective that particular line of attack would be. Red baiting is so 5 decades ago.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:55 AM

16. Socialism = Medicare and Social Security.

Two of the government's most important and valued programs to people.

The socialism scare is a Cold War mentality. Even many of us old people are over it.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #16)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:51 AM

49. No. Socialism = collective ownership of the means of production

 

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:57 AM

17. An average politician would run and hide from the word, but not Bernie.

If anyone can define and defend the concept to the country, it's him. Bernie has had years debating in the Senate, defending his ideas from smarter people than Trump. He is a fighter and will not back down or cower.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #17)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:53 AM

50. And that's why he's not representative of the history of the Demcoratic Party

 

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:32 AM

53. She is too divisive

Democrats are divided over her.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:25 AM

20. The "swing center" myth has been promulgated by Reaganites, and is just as false as the rest of his

 

ideas. Tragic thing is how many people end up believing that crap, even Democrats.

The American public, as shown by poll after poll and by Bernie Sanders' campaign, is way to the Left of what people think. So courting that rightward "swing center" is a fucking delusion which hopefully will not be pursued by any Democratic candidate.

If they do, then truly we are lost.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #20)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:59 AM

52. Studies show the swing center is alive and kicking

 

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #52)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:48 AM

55. Seems like a shitty study to me. For one thing, people don't know how to categorize themselves.

 

If you ask them about their beliefs, there are a great many more Progressive minded people out there than believe they are actually Progressive.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #55)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:38 PM

56. 1- the study is one of many 2- progressive/conservative is a continuum

 

progressive/conservative is a continuum: take ten items: some will score 10/10 progressive, then others 8/10 -> 7/10 .. 5/10 -> .. 2/10 .. >0/10. Probably a flat W curve.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #56)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:45 PM

57. What I'm saying is that the words Progressive or Liberal have been given such a bashing for so long

 

that anyone who is not a young person probably thinks they are much more "moderate" or "conservative" than they actually are. If you ask them about Social Security or Medicare or any of a whole range of social services (those that a Social Democratic state for instance would support) they will be all in favor of them.

The Democratic Party has bought into this bullshit, particularly popular in the days of Reagan as true. Polls show that it is not. America is essentially in its beliefs a relatively Progressive nation. Just not in its policies. When renegades from either party, like Trump, mainline into the Liberal or Progressive or Populist voice (for instance around trade deals), they do very, very well.

And that is the danger in this election. Trump advocates plenty of rightwing b.s., but on financial matters goes to the Left of Clinton and appeals to this very sentiment.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #57)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:52 PM

58. Anyway, words are very imprecise tools

 

Take Progressive: it covers all walks of beliefs, some being un-progressive like fundamentalist Greens who want de-growth. Same for conservative: it covers both atheist Libertarians like Penn Gillette and religious fundamentalists. Labels can be tricky. Which is why I'm not quite sure a Progressive/Conservative scale even works.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #3)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:34 PM

28. Are you a Democrat?

 

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #28)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:37 AM

54. We just aren't "New" Democrats. (nt)

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:36 AM

9. Trump will bully Clinton in the debates.

Clinton will show her anger and look weak. That's how this will go.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:24 PM

24. She'll complain about his tone

and ask him to cut it out.

She lost her cool over and over at "enough about the damn emails" Sanders. I can't even imagine how she'll react to Trump, but it won't be a good look, I'm sure.

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Response to Desert805 (Reply #24)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:10 PM

25. Is her staff either too enamored or too afraid of her to tell her that she loses when she gets mad

and shows her temper?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:13 AM

18. Wow the Republicans would have to be nuts not to nominate Kasich.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:20 AM

19. Superdelegates, the writing is on the wall! READ IT ALREADY!

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:15 AM

22. Some things don't change. . . . like Bernie being the best candidate for the GE

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #22)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:17 PM

23. And the beat goes on ....

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:14 PM

26. He's going to benefit from...

...not being demonized. Every cloud has a silver lining!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:22 PM

27. The latest national polls show HRC leading Sanders by 8-10%. You need to win the primary.

 

HRC will win in November.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:35 PM

29. But this math apparently does not count with the Giggle Heads

 

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #29)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:39 PM

31. The side that has been arguing "Let me freaking vote first"...

for the last month after it was clear that Sanders couldn't win is now arguing that votes don't matter and we should look to polls to pick our nominee.

The fact that the Sanders campaign is even peddling in such desperation shows that they know his campaign is dead in the water. I almost want to throw them some sympathy $27s so that they can buy back some of their dignity when they finally confront the fact that he is done already.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #31)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:45 PM

45. Your post doesn't make sense

 

No one on the Sanders side is seriously making argument that votes don't matter. That's such bizarre nonsense, I have to wonder if I am writing to a poorly programmed response CMS.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #45)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:47 PM

46. When you're arguing that the superdelegates should throw the race to the losing candidate based ...

off of match-up polls, you are arguing that votes don't matter.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:36 PM

30. If republicans had half a brain, they would move heaven and earth to nominate Kasich

 

Alas, that is probably half a brain more than they have.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:56 PM

37. Sanders hasnt had any GOP attack ads directed at him. Hillary has been attacked for years.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #37)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:04 PM

39. A point that the Sanders supporters conveniently overlook.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #37)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:06 PM

40. Being attacked and still standing and still being attacked and still holding the same bags

I don't understand what your point is

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:57 PM

38. whats the difference

IF she wins by 7 or he wins by 12?
She still WINS.
We have a Bush presidency thanks to just over 500 votes.
I dont care if she wins by 3 votes.

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Sun May 1, 2016, 04:21 PM

42. So why bother holding primaries and letting people vote?

why not pick candidates based on polls alone?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #42)

Sun May 1, 2016, 05:19 PM

47. Whatever ever helps Daddy.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:39 PM

43. Why is this tired meme still floating around?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 09:53 PM

59. Hillary would lose in the GE; Bernie will win

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