Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:05 PM

hedgehog (36,286 posts)

Hillary should have Bernie as a running mate.

It'll unite the party, and maybe give the Republicans second thoughts about impeaching her.

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89 replies	Author	Time	Post
Hillary should have Bernie as a running mate. (Original post)	hedgehog	Apr 2016	OP
She should go with someone older	BeyondGeography	Apr 2016	#1
i see what you did there	maxsolomon	Apr 2016	#52
They are almost the same age.	B Calm	Apr 2016	#84
My point exactly	BeyondGeography	Apr 2016	#86
I think the HRC group at DU is united behind loudly opposing that concept.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	#2
...as is the Sanders group	brooklynite	Apr 2016	#4
As are Hillary and Bernie	still_one	Apr 2016	#40
+1	Unicorn	Apr 2016	#67
There, you have it. nt	Jitter65	Apr 2016	#20
No. I still wouldn't vote for her.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2016	#3
what's in it for him?	AgerolanAmerican	Apr 2016	#5
He'd be part of the war party. NO NO NO NO NO	Unicorn	Apr 2016	#68
Absolutely not. He should stay in the senate	DURHAM D	Apr 2016	#6
GOPers must be terrified at the thought of trying to impeach her...	Orsino	Apr 2016	#7
Are you intentionally missing the point -- if it is HRC/Sanders and they win, who becomes President	karynnj	Apr 2016	#49
Yeah, I don't think the possibility of impeachment is relevant. n/t	Orsino	Apr 2016	#73
I certainly do not think potential impeachment will play a roles in her	karynnj	Apr 2016	#75
I doubt it.	Hiraeth	Apr 2016	#8
HELL NO !	JanetLovesObama	Apr 2016	#9
That seems like a sentiment only a RWer would have	whatchamacallit	Apr 2016	#10
+100000	artislife	Apr 2016	#18
Are you saying you won't live long?	rickford66	Apr 2016	#12
Too bad. Progressives like him, conservatives hate him.	arcane1	Apr 2016	#26
DU is not the place to advocate against a Democrat losing his Senate seat.	morningfog	Apr 2016	#28
Really? But it is a place to advocate voting against the Dem. party when	livetohike	Apr 2016	#79
You are wrong on several points. Bernie is going to remain a Dem, so you can't advocate against him.	morningfog	Apr 2016	#81
I'm not a fan of Hillary.	PyaarRevolution	Apr 2016	#44
Gee maybe he'll lose it to a republican.	redwitch	Apr 2016	#76
I now have my first poster on ignore! Congratulations	B Calm	Apr 2016	#85
I would love to watch them go head to head in a 5K. lol.	NCTraveler	Apr 2016	#11
no. she should pick someone younger. i still think Julian Castro is the likely VP nominee	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2016	#13
Gosh, that would be like the film negative of the Ted/ Carly ticket.	artislife	Apr 2016	#17
yeah they are exactly ted and carly	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2016	#19
Pretty much	artislife	Apr 2016	#21
we all exist to impress you. a person who confuses hillary/castro with ted/carly	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2016	#22
Truth.	okasha	Apr 2016	#59
Texas is staying red this year	Reter	Apr 2016	#87
And you know this how?	okasha	Apr 2016	#89
Castro is not ready yet. He's being forced like the Reps propped up Rubio. And we know that outcome.	TheBlackAdder	Apr 2016	#74
he's been a mayor and held a cabinet level position	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2016	#82
Just as he is likable and presents well on TV, there is a poorly hidden subtext of slickness. nt	TheBlackAdder	Apr 2016	#83
Ewwww.	nc4bo	Apr 2016	#14
I would support this if it indeed pisses off both candidates' supporters here on DU.	LonePirate	Apr 2016	#15
This may be the dumbest post of the day.	artislife	Apr 2016	#16
I try.	hedgehog	Apr 2016	#24
Sometimes people will say something that reveals they missed the point entirely	Fairgo	Apr 2016	#64
*snerk.	artislife	Apr 2016	#69
Bull SHit	Ferd Berfel	Apr 2016	#23
It would also be an attempt.	PyaarRevolution	Apr 2016	#46
She won't choose someone who's better with crowds than she is. n/t	winter is coming	Apr 2016	#25
He's 74, so, I'm thinking she'll go with someone younger.	cwydro	Apr 2016	#27
No.	northernsouthern	Apr 2016	#29
...	LexVegas	Apr 2016	#30
I'm sure she has a folder of unused oppo-research	firebrand80	Apr 2016	#31
If she had a folder of unused oppo-research, Corrupt the Record	winter is coming	Apr 2016	#58
the thought of that makes me puke	yourpaljoey	Apr 2016	#32
No. His reputation would be left in tatters.	Skwmom	Apr 2016	#33
Nah- he would be muzzled if he became VP	Marrah_G	Apr 2016	#34
The Vice Presidential Nominee	jamese777	Apr 2016	#35
Absolutely not	KingFlorez	Apr 2016	#36
I would rather see him grow his faction in the Senate.	sofa king	Apr 2016	#37
The United States	okasha	Apr 2016	#41
Nope.	sofa king	Apr 2016	#42
Go read the damn thing.	okasha	Apr 2016	#50
Ever heard of the "Kitchen Cabinet"?	sofa king	Apr 2016	#60
Jackson was a dangerously unstable mass-murderer.	okasha	Apr 2016	#62
I don't know where this "Keep the Veep" meme came from	demwing	Apr 2016	#47
It will not unite the party. (nt)	Ino	Apr 2016	#38
Uh, I would still not vote for her, Hell if she was VP for Bernie I'd probably not vote for him	Joob	Apr 2016	#39
People seem confused	demwing	Apr 2016	#48
Those same people would have supported Joe Manchin if he was the one running against Clinton.	LonePirate	Apr 2016	#55
Secretary of the Treasury.	Amimnoch	Apr 2016	#43
After the way he's mismanaged his campaign?	okasha	Apr 2016	#65
It will never happen.	Punkingal	Apr 2016	#45
I Agree He Would Have More Power To Enact Policies He's Advocated In The WH As Opposed To The Senate	Corey_Baker08	Apr 2016	#51
gag, no	oldandhappy	Apr 2016	#53
As a Bernie supporter, no.	aikoaiko	Apr 2016	#54
no.	yuiyoshida	Apr 2016	#56
I don't think Sanders would be better in the VP Slot than as a Senator.	Agnosticsherbet	Apr 2016	#57
Noooooooooo...	Blue_In_AK	Apr 2016	#61
No, and No. and No Again.	2banon	Apr 2016	#63
No she should not. If he EVER worked for a corporate bought out WARHAWK	Unicorn	Apr 2016	#66
No. Two senior citizens shouldn't be on the same ticket.	bigwillq	Apr 2016	#70
Good god no!	Pastiche423	Apr 2016	#71
Bernie would feel as out of place as a NASCAR fan at the Million Man March. nt	Snotcicles	Apr 2016	#72
Not happening. n/t	PoliticAverse	Apr 2016	#77
Rebuplicans would go after them both...	Mike Nelson	Apr 2016	#78
Fuck no.	VulgarPoet	Apr 2016	#80
Vermont's not a swing state	TheFarseer	Apr 2016	#88

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:06 PM

BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)

1. She should go with someone older

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:51 PM

maxsolomon (29,986 posts)

52. i see what you did there

and I like it.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:09 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

84. They are almost the same age.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #84)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:14 PM

BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)

86. My point exactly

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:07 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

2. I think the HRC group at DU is united behind loudly opposing that concept.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:10 PM

brooklynite (85,593 posts)

4. ...as is the Sanders group

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:29 PM

still_one (87,285 posts)

40. As are Hillary and Bernie

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:24 PM

Unicorn (424 posts)

67. +1

I am very against that.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:46 PM

Jitter65 (3,089 posts)

20. There, you have it. nt

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:09 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

3. No. I still wouldn't vote for her.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:11 PM

AgerolanAmerican (1,000 posts)

5. what's in it for him?

he'd be more influential as a Senator

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Response to AgerolanAmerican (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:25 PM

Unicorn (424 posts)

68. He'd be part of the war party. NO NO NO NO NO

And she will probably reserve the post for someone coming from the corpratocracy - and it would actually be fitting.

Of course she might go for the war party - in which case, Cheney would likely accept.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:13 PM

DURHAM D (32,185 posts)

6. Absolutely not. He should stay in the senate

where he will be more valuable for the Democratic agenda.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:13 PM

Orsino (37,428 posts)

7. GOPers must be terrified at the thought of trying to impeach her...

...with Sanders out of the Senate? Or something?

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Response to Orsino (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:28 PM

karynnj (59,159 posts)

49. Are you intentionally missing the point -- if it is HRC/Sanders and they win, who becomes President

if HRC is impeached and removed? The VP they want less.

In reality, even if a Republican House impeached her, there is no way the Senate would vote to remove AFTER SHE WON BOTH THE NOMINATION AND GE. It would be incredibly easy to say the country did not want her removed.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:37 AM

Orsino (37,428 posts)

73. Yeah, I don't think the possibility of impeachment is relevant. n/t

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Response to Orsino (Reply #73)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:37 AM

karynnj (59,159 posts)

75. I certainly do not think potential impeachment will play a roles in her

Decision. Most experts have said any legal action is unlikely. That does not mean what she did was right and she says it was a mistake. If she wins the election, the country is saying that it is not reason to keep her out of office.

I think impeachment pretty much overwhelms government and 2017 is unfortunately likey to be more like today than the placid 1998. In 1998, we learned that "high crimes and misdemeanors " were whatever Congress thought they were. I can not imagine that 67 Senators would vote to remove her - though that is the threat implicit in the op which suggested that Sanders as VP would make that vote even less likely.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:19 PM

Hiraeth (4,805 posts)

8. I doubt it.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:19 PM

JanetLovesObama (548 posts)

9. HELL NO !

I honestly do not want to ever see his face again as long as I live. I hope he loses his Senate seat as well. Good riddance !!!

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:23 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

10. That seems like a sentiment only a RWer would have

No wonder you love Hill.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:44 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

18. +100000

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:27 PM

rickford66 (5,197 posts)

12. Are you saying you won't live long?

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:56 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

26. Too bad. Progressives like him, conservatives hate him.

Good to know which side you're on.

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:01 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

28. DU is not the place to advocate against a Democrat losing his Senate seat.

In fact, it is dangerously close to a violation of the ToS.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:51 AM

livetohike (21,410 posts)

79. Really? But it is a place to advocate voting against the Dem. party when

Hillary is the nominee. Besides, Sanders will not be a Democrat after the election. So Independents are fair game.

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Response to livetohike (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:27 AM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

81. You are wrong on several points. Bernie is going to remain a Dem, so you can't advocate against him.

And until we have a nominee, posters can say whether they will or will not vote for a theoretical nominee. And even once we have a nominee, posters can say they won't vote for the nominee, but cannot advocate or encourage their loss.

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:57 PM

PyaarRevolution (814 posts)

44. I'm not a fan of Hillary.

But I wouldn't say I want her out of the Senate if she decides to go back. I'll admit I don't want Chelsea in politics if only for the fact that I don't want another Dynasty being created.

Bernie has done a lot of good in the Senate for the common people, vets, etc. I can't believe how incredibly spiteful you're being. Do you care about the common people or what?

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:41 AM

redwitch (14,777 posts)

76. Gee maybe he'll lose it to a republican.

You'd be thrilled!!!

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:10 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

85. I now have my first poster on ignore! Congratulations

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:24 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

11. I would love to watch them go head to head in a 5K. lol.

Bad NCTraveler. That's just mean.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:28 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

13. no. she should pick someone younger. i still think Julian Castro is the likely VP nominee

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:44 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

17. Gosh, that would be like the film negative of the Ted/ Carly ticket.

Both not worth watching.

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Response to artislife (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:45 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

19. yeah they are exactly ted and carly

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:46 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

21. Pretty much

This Latina isn't impressed with Castro.

You know how I feel about that woman.

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Response to artislife (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:47 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

22. we all exist to impress you. a person who confuses hillary/castro with ted/carly

should not be one whose opinion counts for much.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:59 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

59. Truth.

Here's another reason such an opinion is worthless.

Castro offers us the chance to pry
Texas out of the Republicans' claws and deny them the White House at the same time. We can win without Texas: the Rs cannot.

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Response to okasha (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:37 PM

Reter (2,188 posts)

87. Texas is staying red this year

The better choice is for her to pick Cory Booker.

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Response to Reter (Reply #87)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:22 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

89. And you know this how?

Texas is a minority majority state. Trump will find no support among Hispanics, AAs, LGBT's or women in general. Republican women will vote for Hillary in significant numbers. So will some Republican men. Julian can help make that happen. Cory Booker would be strong, but he wouldn't have the appeal of a very popular Texan.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:45 AM

TheBlackAdder (26,095 posts)

74. Castro is not ready yet. He's being forced like the Reps propped up Rubio. And we know that outcome.

.

I am leery when an institution or set of institutions try to force a candidate or policy.

There is generally one or more ulterior motives involved.

.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:58 AM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

82. he's been a mayor and held a cabinet level position

not sure why you think he is unready to be VP, but i think he will be fine.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #82)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:05 AM

TheBlackAdder (26,095 posts)

83. Just as he is likable and presents well on TV, there is a poorly hidden subtext of slickness. nt

.

This needs more time to reveal whether valid nor not.

Rubio and many of the other GOPers/Dems seemed credible, they deflated once placed under a long-term microscope.

A hard sell is being done with Castro, and the amount of TV time he gets is sending the warning flares up.

.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:38 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

14. Ewwww.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:41 PM

LonePirate (12,889 posts)

15. I would support this if it indeed pisses off both candidates' supporters here on DU.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:43 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

16. This may be the dumbest post of the day.

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Response to artislife (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:50 PM

hedgehog (36,286 posts)

24. I try.

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Response to artislife (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:44 PM

Fairgo (1,571 posts)

64. Sometimes people will say something that reveals they missed the point entirely

One can only stare at their mouths in wonder...why would the world make a hole like that and put nothing in it?

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:03 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

69. *snerk.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:49 PM

Ferd Berfel (3,687 posts)

23. Bull SHit

If Bernie doesn't get the Nom we will need him in the Senate even more than we do now!

It would been a strategic move on Clinton's part to bury Sanders in that dead end position and be forced to knuckle under to her RW agenda. But I think he has more integrity and moral judgment than that

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:00 PM

PyaarRevolution (814 posts)

46. It would also be an attempt.

To try and FIRMLY destroy the strength of Vermont as a state that supports a real Liberal agenda.

Bernie's been a big pusher of Worker Owned Cooperatives and I echo that sentiment. Mondragon is PROOF Worker Owned Coop's can be very successful and BURY GE and other shareholder owned companies.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:54 PM

winter is coming (11,785 posts)

25. She won't choose someone who's better with crowds than she is. n/t

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:57 PM

cwydro (49,091 posts)

27. He's 74, so, I'm thinking she'll go with someone younger.

She'll have to balance the ticket a bit.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

northernsouthern (1,511 posts)

29. No.

I don't want Bernie to be in her corrupt cabinet. If that did happen you would get the largest standing ovation from both sides if Hillary did get impeached.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

LexVegas (5,394 posts)

30. ...

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:05 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

31. I'm sure she has a folder of unused oppo-research

That would convince her that would be a bad idea

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:57 PM

winter is coming (11,785 posts)

58. If she had a folder of unused oppo-research, Corrupt the Record

wouldn't be spending $1M on paid trolls.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:06 PM

yourpaljoey (2,166 posts)

32. the thought of that makes me puke

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:07 PM

Skwmom (12,685 posts)

33. No. His reputation would be left in tatters.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:12 PM

Marrah_G (28,581 posts)

34. Nah- he would be muzzled if he became VP

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:12 PM

jamese777 (546 posts)

35. The Vice Presidential Nominee

should be someone from a battleground (swing) state that has a lot of electoral votes in play. There should not be two Senior Citizens on the ticket, especially with the likelihood of a Republican being next in line to become president as Speaker of the House.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:14 PM

KingFlorez (12,689 posts)

36. Absolutely not

I don't see how that could possibly work out.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:20 PM

sofa king (10,857 posts)

37. I would rather see him grow his faction in the Senate.

The United States is only a few rules changes away from a Parliamentary-style government in which Social Democrats can finally have a powerful voice. Look at how influential Sanders' run has already been on Hillary Clinton's own positions. He has given her the luxury of tacking to the left somewhat, instead of trying to out-crazy the crazies.

Joe Biden is the guy we want at VP no matter what. He's been an outstanding President of the Senate, moving that position from ceremonial to powerful, and more powerful the closer the margin in the Senate. We'd be fools not to let him keep the job if he wants it.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:30 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

41. The United States

is a whole freaking Constitution away from s Parliamentary system.

Jayzus!

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Response to okasha (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:40 PM

sofa king (10,857 posts)

42. Nope.

Our Speaker of the House can wind up being a coalition leader, just as a Prime Minister often is, if some rules changes relax the two-party hold on Congress. The President's cabinet could easily be made up of Members of Congress, for it is the Senate that consents to their appointment and they can simply deny non-Members (as they often did in the 1800s). That in turn would make the Cabinet much more like Ministerial positions. Some of those departments, like the Department of Justice, are largely autonomous and outside of the President's control already.

Much of the President's power is delegated to him by Congress, though changing that now would require actual changes to the law rather than simple changes of rule and precedent.

Our system grew organically from the British parliamentary system, which is also just a few rules changes away from moving away from two-party rule.

Edit: I should add that Congress already is made up of coalitions. The Republican Party is being devoured from within by the Tea Party, while the Democrats also include independents such as Bernie Sanders and semi-independent parties such as Minnesota's Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:39 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

50. Go read the damn thing.

Separation. Of. Powers.
Checks. And. Balances.

You do realize that such a schema would have given Obama a Republican Cabinet for the last six years. Or do you? Is that something you would find desirable?

BTW, I'm inclined to favor a Parliamentary system. It tends to get rid of incompetents more quickly. But a half-assed hybrid would be just that--half-assed.

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Response to okasha (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:06 PM

sofa king (10,857 posts)

60. Ever heard of the "Kitchen Cabinet"?

Why, do you think, would Andrew Jackson have to refer to an informal group of advisers rather than his Constitutionally-appointed cabinet, hmm?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet

It's because in the 1830s Congress decided that Andrew Jackson was a dangerously unstable mass-murderer who routinely exceeded his authority. So they ran the fucking government themselves and left Jackson alone to burn down what little he could with executive authority.

He killed the Central Bank, and a lot of Indians, but not the United States. Because Congress wouldn't let him.

On November 1, 2005, Harry Reid threw the Senate into closed, executive session for less than two hours and scared the Bush Administration shitless. Nobody knows what Reid said but from that moment forward Bush's second term was a never-ending expose of the Administration's crimes, and rather than declare a terrorist alert every time it happened, as they had been doing, they sat back and took it like bitches, and forever lost the White House for the GOP.

Your separation of powers and checks and balances is an illusion. Yes, it exists but the three branches of government WERE NOT created equal, at all. Only Congress has legislative, executive, and when it wishes, even judicial authority (see the Court of Claims). Republicans in Congress are too stupid to know how much authority they could have, if only they understood what their jobs were. It can all be changed, virtually overnight. Our precious Constitution allows for it.

Only convention keeps things as they are.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:23 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

62. Jackson was a dangerously unstable mass-murderer.

But the remedy for that is impeachment or threat of same, cf. Nixon.

"The Republicans are too stupid" is a dangerous underestimation. Corrupt, yes. Stupid, no. Smart enough to hold both houses of Congress at the moment and to hold civil rights of all varieties hostage.,

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Response to sofa king (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:06 PM

demwing (16,916 posts)

47. I don't know where this "Keep the Veep" meme came from

but its not serious, IMO.

Do you think Hillary wants to be compared to Obama? Only when she's pandering for votes! If she gets into office she'll wash the White House clean of the slightest scent of Obama's legacy, that means Biden gets retired ASAP.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:22 PM

Ino (3,366 posts)

38. It will not unite the party. (nt)

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:24 PM

Joob (1,065 posts)

39. Uh, I would still not vote for her, Hell if she was VP for Bernie I'd probably not vote for him

uhh yeah, I keep thinking about it and if Hillary was Bernie's VP it'd make me question some things

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Response to Joob (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:16 PM

demwing (16,916 posts)

48. People seem confused

A lot of the drive behind the Bernie or Bust movement is disgust with Hillary. "Bernie or Bust" rolls off the tongue, but a more fitting name would be "Hell No, Hillary!"

If Bernie were to pick Hillary as his VP, I'd do a bloody spit take all over GDP.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:55 PM

LonePirate (12,889 posts)

55. Those same people would have supported Joe Manchin if he was the one running against Clinton.

I don't think it was ever about the issues for them.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:50 PM

Amimnoch (4,558 posts)

43. Secretary of the Treasury.

Place him where he can do the most with what he's good with.

As a VP pic, he'd likely be seen by many of his supporters as selling out, and frankly I think he's got too much to offer for a VP position.

However, make him Secretary of the treasury and let him have at it. Use him where he's strongest, and I suspect that would be the one position where he wouldn't be seen (by many at least) as selling out to Clinton, and would be a good move for Clinton to show how serious she is on the financial side.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:21 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

65. After the way he's mismanaged his campaign?

He'd be as bad as Trump of the four bankruptcies.

Not just no. Hell, no!

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:58 PM

Punkingal (9,522 posts)

45. It will never happen.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:50 PM

Corey_Baker08 (2,157 posts)

51. I Agree He Would Have More Power To Enact Policies He's Advocated In The WH As Opposed To The Senate

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:52 PM

oldandhappy (6,719 posts)

53. gag, no

Bad both ways. He won't stop talking and she won't listen. We need him in the Senate. She needs someone obedient.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:54 PM

aikoaiko (33,309 posts)

54. As a Bernie supporter, no.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:56 PM

yuiyoshida (40,270 posts)

56. no.

n/t

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:57 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

57. I don't think Sanders would be better in the VP Slot than as a Senator.

I feel the same way about Warren. If we do retake the Senate, we will need all the reliable votes we can get there.
VP's, other than breaking a tie in the Senate, are just advisers, in most cases.
Cheney, of course, was powerful, but that is unusual in our system. Through most of our history, VP's were there only to break ties and in the event that the President dies. Truman, for instance, had no idea what was going on until he had to take over.

I think that people who claim they will not vote for Clinton would not change their mind if she tapped Sanders as a VP candidate.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:12 PM

Blue_In_AK (46,436 posts)

61. Noooooooooo...

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:25 PM

2banon (7,321 posts)

63. No, and No. and No Again.

No Hillary won't and should not have Bernie as a Running Mate for very obvious reasons.

No, that cynical ploy will not unite the party.

No, Repukes will go full bore regardless.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:23 PM

Unicorn (424 posts)

66. No she should not. If he EVER worked for a corporate bought out WARHAWK

it would destroy his image.

I would never support him again if he did that.

That would not bring in the Bernie supporters.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:08 PM

bigwillq (72,790 posts)

70. No. Two senior citizens shouldn't be on the same ticket.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:48 PM

Pastiche423 (15,406 posts)

71. Good god no!

I think you need to go and lay down for a spell.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:56 PM

Snotcicles (9,089 posts)

72. Bernie would feel as out of place as a NASCAR fan at the Million Man March. nt

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:43 AM

PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)

77. Not happening. n/t

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:48 AM

Mike Nelson (9,366 posts)

78. Rebuplicans would go after them both...

...but I think Bernie should be included in prospective VPs. Most likely people will say she needs to have a youthful balance - but, while older, Bernie can be said to provide youth. If not as VP, he should be involved. His supporters should be given a voice, too.

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:04 AM

VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)

80. Fuck no.

If Bernie were to accept that post, that'd smack of nothing less than rank betrayal. How are you going to fight the war and capitalist machine in one breath, and then lay beneath the front of the steamroller in the second?

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:38 PM

TheFarseer (9,247 posts)

88. Vermont's not a swing state

He's not part of any demographics we need to vote for us. He can't get corporations to give us more money. And he's from a state that supplied all the murder weapons in NY last year. Not gonna happen.

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