Clinton will not clinch the nomination without superdelegates...

[pantsonfire]

....it will undoubtedly go to the convention.

v

[onenote]

1. another way to put the same thing: Clinton will clinch the nomination with super delegates.

Fact.

[pantsonfire]

2. You are not wrong sir, but....

....she has to earn my vote.

[Juicy_Bellows]

3. It all depends on whether they want to win or not.

Money talks so they'll probably go that way - HRC will likely lose the general and the party will never be the same. They got their green though and can tut-tut from the ivory tower but shit will never be the same. To them I say - lay on down with dogs, the fleas are hungry.

Cheers.

[Svafa]

28. Damn, dude, you nailed it.

[KPN]

40. That's pretty much what I believe will happen as well.

If she does win the GE (assuming she is the nominee of course), she will either aggressively pursue and achieve progressive goals we aspire to or be a one term President. You can't ignore 40-45% of your party and expect to win.

[Hortensis]

13. Hillary has earned the support of a majority

of Democrats, who are voting loud and clear for liberal progressivism.

If her positions do not earn her your vote, and it is clear they do not, your alternative is to join the 7% of Bernie supporters (that's something like 3% of all voting in the Democratic primaries) who say they will vote for the GOP nominee instead. Or, of course, to just not vote for president at all.

Your choice.

[pantsonfire]

16. Nevermind the independents who will vote in the general...n/t

[Hortensis]

18. You need not concern yourself with them. Independents

have been taking care of themselves -- they're independent -- and will continue to do so.

[pantsonfire]

35. You realize independents are larger then both parties....n/t

[Hortensis]

59. Not really. Most independents lean toward one

party or the other and pretty reliably vote with that party. In fact, our left-leaning independents are actually historically more loyal than the factions within the party that occasionally cross the ballot. Which is why I say don't worry about them. They know what they're doing, and they're not voting for Trump or Cruz.

The biggest reason people go independent, btw, according to those who have studied them, is disgust with what they see as excessive partisan garbage, not any particular political orientation. So it should be no surprise that a good majority of our indies have voted mainstream Democrat for Hillary.

There are extremely few true independents, which is too bad because it's hard to imagine any going right this year.

But there are a fair number of conservative indies who say they're considering voting for the Democrats this election. We'll give them as much encouragement as we can, of course.

[pantsonfire]

65. This statement is factually untrue...

The biggest reason people go independent, btw, according to those who have studied them, is disgust with what they see as excessive partisan garbage, not any particular political orientation. So it should be no surprise that a good majority of our indies have voted mainstream Democrat for Hillary.

Partisan Garbage? Yet they vote partisan...

A good majority? Bernie has won independents by a 2-1 margin throughout the entire primary process. You can debate this point, but you will lose.

[Hortensis]

67. Go research. Include Pew and 538.

[pantsonfire]

70. You want me to post evidence of my argument so that you look foolish? n/t

[Hortensis]

82. Gosh no. :) I see too much evidence posted

here. I did come back to point out, though, that "indies" who voted for Bernie do NOT include conservative troublemakers who voted for him in hopes of taking Hillary out. So watch for that in your data. I don't remember exactly, but I think exit polls were helpful in getting some idea of how many were genuine Bernie supporters.

[pantsonfire]

90. You think? Exit polls are very unreliable, Nate Silver from 538 believes this.

Take it or leave it....just one source about exit polls and the primaries in general. It doesn't have the integrity of CNN or Fox News, so take it with a good helping of salt.

https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/04/13/17564/

[HumanityExperiment]

17. Interesting...

Hmm notice the deflection away from independents...

So dismissive of so many independents that have come out and will come out based upon issues presented

HRC is no progressive, she's GOP light so please save that attempt to label her as such for folks that aren't informed of her history and issues she is proposing

[pantsonfire]

22. Wrong?

[Hortensis]

37. I'm a progressive, Experiment. I have been all my

adult life, and anyone who claims otherwise is up to no good. Not for himself and certainly not for his country.

Joining a group and wearing its label does not make one progressive. Only progressive action does. Actively trying to sabotage this year's progressive swell at every turn, as so many are doing by their petty denial that it is a large and broad multi-faction movement, is a betrayal of progressive ideals.

Has it occurred to any of you that perhaps some of Bernie's followers, both radicals and otherwise, are not the real thing? That some may only have adopted the label because it is his?

Those genuine progressives who have allowed themselves to be swept into anti-progressive group behavior should remember their principles and goals and get the hell out. The test is simple: Anyone who insists members of their group are the Only True Progressives and thinks progressivism requires fighting over ownership of a stupid label has failed in both principle and understanding.

By the way, I vouch for Hillary. She may be too moderate to suit many of us, but she's the real thing anyway.

[HumanityExperiment]

48. Your point?...

HRC isn't a progressive nor a liberal, she's conservative light

'this year's progressive swell at every turn' and HRC's platform doesn't match, she was pulled into 'holding' progressive positions by Bernie and that 'progressive swell at every turn'...

No side is without outliers and miscreants but we're talking about issues and what each candidate has held and debated

again, HRC isn't a 'moderate' she's conservative light, at every turn throughout her political career she's had to be pulled left on every progressive issue that's been at the forefront of this society's evolution on human rights, economical and social justice

[pantsonfire]

53. I'd like to echo some of her "progressive" stances...

Against the TPP.....what is she doing about it? She's not very vocal about stopping it, that would hurt her "I'm going to carry Obama's torch" image.

Against Keystone....what's she saying about that?

I'd like to hear more about what she is doing to lobby or going to do about those two issues, to me, it's been rhetoric alone to sway left voters.

[Hortensis]

64. Sounds like Obama is also under your bus, Pantsonfire.

If you really want to know, go read her official positions on them and HONESTanalyses of her public statements on them. This is the Information Age. They're all seconds away.

[pantsonfire]

66. I've read her emails, they are very enlightening....

So, I've read her public and private statements. I feel I'm pretty informed on where she stands on certain issues.

[Hortensis]

73. Do you also "feel" that tobacco is not addictive

by any chance?

You must be extremely tired of the whole thing after reading many thousands of mostly coma-inducing emails, but I urge you to invest just another few minutes reading a couple of HONEST and, I should have said, UNBIASED analyses.

[pantsonfire]

76. Distraction....."Ad Hominem" Argument....why don't you falsify my claim instead of making me...

....provide you with evidence of why you are wrong? Specifically on Sander's winning the independent vote 2-1 throughout the primary process (when they are allowed to vote).

[Hortensis]

85. The "distraction" was a joke, like the

tobacco executives' testimony before Congress. Have you seen it? It must be on line even after all these years and is a real hoot. Good night.

[pantsonfire]

87. Night, thanks for bring up the off-topic tabacco testimony to this argument. n/t

[pantsonfire]

80. Here...

http://usuncut.com/politics/independent-voters-bernie/


Two Examples:

When examining the results from last night’s Michigan primary, independent voters may have very well been the key to Bernie Sanders’ victory. 23 percent of Democratic primary voters identified as independent, and Sanders walloped Clinton by a 71-28 margin among independents.

And even though Hillary Clinton won Massachusetts by a narrow margin, Bernie Sanders won the independent vote by a 66-33 margin. Independents made up one-third of the Democratic electorate in the Bay State and 49 percent of the Republican electorate.

[redstateblues]

79. Bullshit. Hillary was one of the most liberal senators

In Congress. Repeating a smear doesn't make it true

[HumanityExperiment]

84. Called out and slam dunk... thx for playin'

Just ONE example of her anti-liberal positions

would you like some more?

what the heck.. here's another

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/05/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-revisionist-history-tpp/

[pantsonfire]

86. Perhaps, she is, she's also not liberal enough in my view.

She has a lot of liberal and progressive rhetoric, but when you dig, you see she's not as liberal as you think.

"The TPP is the gold standard"......"I'm against the TPP", just one example.

[Sheepshank]

107. You show up a little over a month ago just to spout the Hillary is a Rep crappola.

Not buying what you are selling

[HumanityExperiment]

110. 5 years... 5 months... 5 days... 5 mins....

What does my tenure have anything to do with my point being factually true?

HRC is not a liberal, she's not a progressive, she's a republican light, conservative light, this bears out in her entire history, policies presented and supported

My time here doesn't have any bearing on the facts, your attempts to dismiss me personally shows me everything I need to know about you if you'd really like to know... You're entitled to your perception but you're not entitled to your own facts

The only one 'selling' is you... and on that sales pitch, nobody is buyin'

[Sheepshank]

111. Hillary is not a Republican...you are spouting factually false troll worthy inuendos

your time has all sort of bearing on the credibility of you arrival and immediately launching into anti Hillary dribble.

If you have issues with any policy in particular then you should discuss. But until then, her stand on social security, right to choose, minimum wage, climate change, SCOTUS, Citizens United, voting right, women's rights, gun control are NOTHING like Republican stand.

Your opinion is garbage and you are welcome to it. Freeperville would appreciate it very much..

[HumanityExperiment]

112. What about...

her stances on current wars and conflicts?

her stance on gay marriage?

Her stance on fracking, which is tied to climate change, clean water?

Her stance on super pacs?

My 'time' has no bearing on her republican light positions... her history and positions held are what matter and define her

My opinion is based upon facts, feel free to dispute me with your own facts, unless you choose to continue posting phrases without support or validation...

[Sheepshank]

113. ahh so now she is Republican light?

She will not carpet bomb and make their soil glow in the dark, a la Cruz

She will not impede same sex marriage

Fracking is not the ultimate goal, but a stepping stone towards total renewable energy.

Super Pacs and Citizens United, she has said that any SCOTUS nominee she puts forward needs to be on board with reversing Citizens United, and has even gone further to state that we as a nation should consider a Constitutional Amendment limiting these types of donation. You do realize she is embroiled in a law suit with Citizens United, and has no love for the group?

I am so fucking done with you and your lying manufactured crappola.

I'm not even going to wish you a good day...

[HumanityExperiment]

114. your pivot's are showing...

please... stick to the details and not the extremes shall we?

same sex marriage

She is for further escalation and involvement within Syria
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-syria-islamic-state.html

She lead the debacle that has become Libya aftermath
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36013703

Afghanistan
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/17/hillary-clinton-supports-obama-keep-troops-in-afghanistan

Fracking, Oil and environmental issues
http://billmoyers.com/2015/04/15/heres-hillary-clinton-presidency-mean-global-warming/

She's republican light, just going through and reviewing her positions, statements and policies prove my point out...

[Land of Enchantment]

81. That is HILLARIOUS!!!!!!!

[pantsonfire]

91. The democrats need a better animal....the "jackass"....and the jokers...

get the elephant...that's just wrong.

[KPN]

43. "Loud and clear for liberal progressivism"? Horse manure.

Third Way Dems are Republicans in Democrat clothes.

You forgot the third and most important option (probably out of denial) -- write Bernie in. I think you will be surprised by the number of votes Bernie gets in the GE.

Bernie or Bust!

[Jitter65]

102. She would have lose 90% of the supers at the convention to lose the nominations. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

71. Is that not what you don't want me not to do?

[Zynx]

4. It will be clinched by the end of the night on June 7th.

It will be considered to be such by everyone.

[pantsonfire]

36. She will not reach the required 2300+ to clinch, sorry....n/t

[Zynx]

57. With supers who aren't changing their mind, yes it will be.

It's basically over. Deal with it. Accept it sooner rather than later. It will reduce the pain.

[pantsonfire]

68. Ouch. Not saying it's not not over. Just pointing out the fact that she needs supers.

Don't worry about me, help Hillary win.

[JennyMominFL]

78. Obama 1828 delegates at convention

What is your point? Obama only got 1828 pledged delegates. It's the norm to not have 2300 delegated when you get to the convention

[pat_k]

5. Mainly, I'm lookin' forward to seeing...

... all those Bernie pledged delegates on the convention floor.

If Hillary keeps up her "fuck em" tone, the booing will be deafening.

The Democratic leadership writes off his supporters at their peril.

What percentage of the pledged delegates there will be Bernie delegates? 45%? 40%?

Either way, all those Bernie signs will make for an impressive sight.

[TheDormouse]

8. "In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it." Just watch.

[KPN]

46. The ayes have what?

Hillary would be foolish to ignore Bernie and his supporters -- but she also isn't to good with instincts. She has a way of poking and prodding at wounds.

[TheDormouse]

100. Anybody who thinks the Dem Establishment won't steamroll over any of Bernie's delegates'

proposals isn't paying attention.

Just like how the RNC steamrolled over Ron Paul's delegates in 2012.

It won't matter if Bernie has hundreds of delegates at the convention.

[KPN]

44. Yup. You got it! Should be fun.

[MisterP]

103. Sanders is at 45% even after yesterday, and that's with IN KY WV coming on the pike

Clinton will go in at Philly with cratering approval and trust ratings, more RW pronouncements, arrogant statements, faux pas, and foot-in-mouth than today, criminal indictments, state delegates flipping because hers never showed up since they're paid, a GOP motivated against her, a victory predicated on shrinking the party and even voter caging, 10-15 points behind Sanders against the Pubs, no indy vote, Trump able to hit her from the left, no reason to vote for her except "booga booga the Republicans want to pass X but I do too but I'd do it without cussing," and constant armtwisting and threats against the delegates to crown her or they'll never work in this town again

this line does not falter

[Skink]

6. She should give up

And lawyer up. Actually she did lawyer up v

[Land of Enchantment]

89. Here ya go....

First this.......





and then this.....

[pantsonfire]

92. woo woo woo....

[George II]

15. You don't know why the superdelegates exist.

[pantsonfire]

23. To keep grassroots candidates oppressed? Enlighten me....n/t

[George II]

33. Perhaps you should send Sanders' top strategist, Tad Devine, an email or text or tweet. After all..

....he was instrumental in establishing superdelegates and their significance.

[pantsonfire]

42. Perhaps I should.....

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/who-are-the-democratic-superdelegates-and-where-did-they-come-from/

Superdelegates were created in the early 1980s after the Democratic party looked at rewriting their rules after an extended fight over them in the bitter primary between incumbent president Jimmy Carter and Massachusetts senator Ted Kennedy. The party had made dramatic changes to its rules after the chaos of 1968, when Hubert Humphrey, who had not won a single primary, was nevertheless nominated at the Chicago convention.

The problem was that this new system totally cut elected officials and party elders out of the process. As Tad Devine, a longtime Democratic operative and top strategist for 2016 Democratic hopeful Bernie Sanders, told the Guardian: “After the 1980 convention when there was so few party leaders and elected officials on the floor of the convention, the party made a decision about looking at its rules and reassessing the primary process.”

Devine, who played a key role on the commission, said that initially the creation of superdelegates was “limited in scope”. While the commission made “the decision to create a category of delegates who would win that position based not on voter participation but status in the party”, even these delegates were elected.

After 1984, the number of superdelegates continued to increase. All Democratic congressmen and senators received an automatic vote at the convention, as did all DNC members. There was a brief attempt to reform this in 1988 when, as a result of convention-eve negotiations between Devine, then representing the campaign of presumptive nominee Michael Dukakis, and Ron Brown, representing liberal insurgent Jesse Jackson, a deal was made to limit the number of the DNC members who could serve as superdelegates.

Instead of every member of that committee, superdelegate status would once again be limited to party chairs and vice-chairs. That was immediately reversed after the election when Brown successfully ran to be DNC chair. As Devine noted, Brown “was a very astute politician and decided to run on platform of restoring status of DNC members as superdelegates”. In an electorate composed entirely of DNC members, this was a very successful message.

Devine noted that the party hadn’t made any major reforms since 1988 and that “it might be time to step back again and take a look at our process. The whole idea behind the reforms was to produce a strong nominee.”

In essence they were in part created to avoid a brokered convention whereby a candidate who doesn't get the required number of 2300+ delegates.

[GreydeeThos]

9. Clinton will clinch the nomination

and Bernie Sanders never had a chance of being the nominee.

[pantsonfire]

24. He had a 3% chance...then he had an incredible chance, and still has a chance....

....Even Lysol doesn't guarantee 100% germ removal, 99.99%.

[rock]

99. Didn't, didn't

Doesn't.

[pantsonfire]

109. meh..

v

[Maedhros]

29. If so, it's because of DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign.

In any case, there is no need to see anything else you may post.

/ignore.

[pantsonfire]

54. Not too much?

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[MissDeeds]

95. Yep!

Not much democratic about the Democratic party with that crap going on.

[pantsonfire]

96. Apologies...I think the new image is more suitable...n/t

[Gomez163]

58. This thing was over two months ago.

[Joob]

10. This election has shown me, to NOT trust Democrats.

Plain and simple.

[dinkytron]

11. They have done irreparable damage to their brand.

[pantsonfire]

25. Democrat = Brand....hmmm n/t

[mindwalker_i]

61. Like "Democrat brand Wall Street cronie/war monger"

We don't stand for nothing.

[pantsonfire]

63. The Bill Clinton "New Democrats" or "Corporacrats"....n/t

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

12. Certainly the party leadership can't be trusted.

With Superdelegates and DWS, what's to like?

[pampango]

14. It will be odd if we have the contested convention and Trump wraps up the R nomination before theirs

And if our establishment (superdelegates) takes the nomination from the popular and pledged delegate leader and gives it to someone they see as more electable. Bizzaro world.

That said I hope Bernie turns things around in the remaining states and takes the lead in the vote and delegate races. Odds are against it but one can hope.

[tarheelsunc]

19. "takes the nomination from the popular and pledged delegate leader"

What makes you think the establishment is trying to give the nomination to Bernie?

[pampango]

62. I don't think they are trying to do that though I have seen the argument made many times that

the establishment should consider the "electability" factor and nominate Bernie because polls show he does better against Trump than Hillary does. I do not think they will do that.

[pantsonfire]

72. No, they won't, those polls are unreliable this far out. The 1% Sanders has...

...is if the FBI director (Republican, thanks Obama bipartisanship), indicts her on three felony charges.....though that might not be enough for the supers to change.

[LiberalFighter]

20. The rules do not provide that the nomination must be won with just pledged delegates.

The rules specify that the winner is the candidate with a majority of the delegate votes. And according to the rules the delegates are both the pledged and automatic delegates. A majority of both groups is 2,383 of 4,765.

[pantsonfire]

26. Correct....she needs to win something like 73%...

...of the remaining pledged delegates to clinch without supers.

[Zynx]

31. And Bernie needs an impossible percentage.

The Supers will vote for Hillary because she is the choice of the voters. That's all there is to it.

[bigwillq]

21. And that's fine.

Bernie should stay all in to convention, as should Cruz and Kasich.

Hillary will win nomination at convention at first ballot.

I'm all for letting the process play out.

[pantsonfire]

27. It needs too, the progressive agenda with 45% of the democratic vote will have it's say...n/t

[Maedhros]

30. ...and be promptly ignored by Hillary on Inauguration Day. [n/t]

[KPN]

50. in which case she will be a one-termer.

She will get primaried if she does that, and like Carter, she will lose the GE after being primaried.

[Maedhros]

52. Obama did the same thing, and he stayed in for two terms.[n/t]

[KPN]

56. Obama didn't ignore his voting blocks -- he disappointed some, yes, but he didn't ignore.

We were responding to a comment by a Hillary supporter that she will simply ignore us after she wins the GE. Big difference. She can't promise things to and then ignore Berners and hope to win a second GE.

[Maedhros]

101. "Look forward, not back" pretty much ignored the entire anti-war movement.[n/t]

[JoePhilly]

32. Bernie can't win without the super delegates.

If they didn't exist, this would already be over.

[Stuckinthebush]

39. That's so true

And we never hear that. Indeed, if we didn't have unpledged then Hillary would already have a majority.

[JoePhilly]

41. Super delegates are only bad if they vote for Hillary.

But they're awesome if they'll vote for Bernie.

The OP seems to be ignorant of the humor involved here.

[KPN]

34. Yup!

Don't forget that 40-45% of voters in the Democratic primaries have supported Bernie. We are a force and we can and will wield that force. How? It all depends on Hillary really.

[Stuckinthebush]

38. It would anyway

I don't understand this line of argument. The unpledged delegates are part of each state delegation and vote with their state. They vote together.

If he can swing some then great. But that is a matti pipe dream these days. Both pledged and unpledged delegates prefer Clinton.

[pantsonfire]

47. What line? It will go to the convention because supers don't cast their vote until then officially.

[tonyt53]

55. Ah, but there is a reason they won't switch

Bernie has done absolutely nothing to support down ticket Democrats. Nothing. His voters, as evidenced by the voting in WI have done nothing to support those people. Evidently Bernie, and his supporters are so naive to not know that a President can't do anything that Bernie has proposed without at least a Democrat majority in the Senate. Most of those things are directly related to the next Supreme Court justice to be seated. Odds are very good that Bernie will lose at least some of the 42 superdelegates that he has over this.

[dubyadiprecession]

45. BS knew about the superdelegates before he signed up to run....

He's smart enough to know their votes make the difference in the nomination process. Please don't make BS into a belligerent nutcase like trump. A win of a majority of delegates, super or pledged is a win.

[pantsonfire]

49. That's true, I was just pointing out that it will go to the convention....

.....Bernie Sanders will stay in the race because she needs the supers to clinch the nomination and with his huge vote percentage, almost half, of the democratic vote, his progressive platform will have a huge impact on the party as a whole.

[KPN]

51. or the party will wither and perish.

[leftofcool]

60. Yes she will. She needs only 214 more pledged delegates to reach that goal.

[beachbum bob]

69. The superdelegates have already committed to Hillary...just like

They did to Obama.... She needs only a handful of remaining delegate to cinch....the math still doesn't work for sanders

[pantsonfire]

74. Right, but they don't vote until the convention.....n/t

[jamese777]

75. CBS News Poll

Excerpt: "Independents vote Democratic against both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz no matter which candidate runs against them. Trump does particularly poorly with independents, losing them by 18 points against Clinton and 26 points against Sanders."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-but-voters-view-both-unfavorably/

[pantsonfire]

94. This falls in the same argument as when Bernie Sanders says he polls better against any...

Republican in the GE by a wider margin then Clinton. It's too far in the future to be reliable.

[Gothmog]

77. What a silly theory

Clinton has a 99% chance of being the nominee according to predictwise http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination The concept that there will be an open convention is really sad and silly

[pantsonfire]

97. It won't be open, the supers will most likely give her the nomination....

....it will go the convention and the supers will vote for her, since she'll have more pledged delegates and a larger percentage of the popular vote.

[Metric System]

83. Obama needed Superdelegates in 2008 too. That's how it works.

[jamese777]

88. Superdelegates Since 1984

"After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the Democratic Party made changes in its delegate selection process, based on the work of the McGovern-Fraser Commission. The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination. Some Democrats believed that these changes had unduly diminished the role of party leaders and elected officials, weakening the Democratic tickets of George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. The party appointed a commission chaired by Jim Hunt, the then-Governor of North Carolina, to address this issue. In 1982, the Hunt Commission recommended and the Democratic National Committee adopted a rule that set aside some delegate slots for Democratic members of Congress and for state party chairs and vice chairs. Under the original Hunt plan, superdelegates were 30% of all delegates, but when it was finally implemented for the 1984 election, they were 14%. The number has steadily increased, and today they are approximately 20%."-- Wikipedia

[pantsonfire]

93. Wikipedia.....aren't they 15%? Source....me....n/t

[JennyMominFL]

98. It's the norm sorry

Obama only had around 1800 pledged delegates when he arrived at the convention. It's the norm. Hillary has over 1600 pledged delegates .right now. She will very likely go to the convention with more pledged delegates than Obama did, and he only had a 100 or so delegate lead on Hillary.

[Agnosticsherbet]

104. If so, superdelegates vote on he first ballot, just like pledged delegates, and she wins on

the first vote.
There is no difference in the way superdelegates and pledged delegates vote.
Sanders will not win.

[JoePhilly]

105. Bernie can't either!!!!!

[Sheepshank]

106. If Dem Primary did not include SDs

Then likely the number of pledged delegates needed to win the nomination would be as low as for the Reps. Hillary would have clinched the nomination already.

[Beacool]

108. Yeah, so?

It's not that difficult. The candidate with the most pledged delegates will be the nominee. Most of the super delegates are already supporting Hillary. They won't switch to the losing candidate.

How many times does this have to be discussed????