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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:21 PM

 

Well, Hillary folk, it seems you'll get your wish.

It's all on you from here on out. Good luck.

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Reply Well, Hillary folk, it seems you'll get your wish. (Original post)
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 OP
metroins Apr 2016 #1
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #6
wildeyed Apr 2016 #14
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #19
pengu Apr 2016 #56
wildeyed Apr 2016 #66
pengu Apr 2016 #67
wildeyed Apr 2016 #72
Carolina Apr 2016 #89
wildeyed Apr 2016 #96
LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #77
randome Apr 2016 #17
PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #50
MillennialDem Apr 2016 #25
ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #99
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2
Renew Deal Apr 2016 #3
Armstead Apr 2016 #61
SheilaT Apr 2016 #101
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #4
seabeyond Apr 2016 #30
Unicorn Apr 2016 #83
seabeyond Apr 2016 #88
TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #5
Zambero Apr 2016 #15
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #94
mythology Apr 2016 #20
TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #24
Maedhros Apr 2016 #76
LanternWaste Apr 2016 #106
Broward Apr 2016 #7
rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #27
Broward Apr 2016 #29
wildeyed Apr 2016 #98
Broward Apr 2016 #100
wildeyed Apr 2016 #102
Broward Apr 2016 #103
wildeyed Apr 2016 #104
Broward Apr 2016 #105
wildeyed Apr 2016 #110
LanternWaste Apr 2016 #107
Broward Apr 2016 #109
DrDan Apr 2016 #58
rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #60
DrDan Apr 2016 #62
Unicorn Apr 2016 #84
wildeyed Apr 2016 #111
seabeyond Apr 2016 #32
Broward Apr 2016 #34
seabeyond Apr 2016 #35
Broward Apr 2016 #38
seabeyond Apr 2016 #41
Broward Apr 2016 #42
seabeyond Apr 2016 #43
Broward Apr 2016 #45
moriah Apr 2016 #47
Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #8
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #10
Barack_America Apr 2016 #22
actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #9
rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #28
seabeyond Apr 2016 #33
DrDan Apr 2016 #59
randome Apr 2016 #69
Zambero Apr 2016 #11
Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #18
Triana Apr 2016 #36
Zambero Apr 2016 #46
Triana Apr 2016 #49
apcalc Apr 2016 #52
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #12
LexVegas Apr 2016 #13
Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #16
JudyM Apr 2016 #108
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #21
reddread Apr 2016 #63
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #23
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #37
RandySF Apr 2016 #26
Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #31
yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #39
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #40
aikoaiko Apr 2016 #68
TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #82
yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #85
BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #44
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #48
leftofcool Apr 2016 #51
Califonz Apr 2016 #53
Carolina Apr 2016 #90
IADEMO2004 Apr 2016 #54
NCTraveler Apr 2016 #55
DrDan Apr 2016 #57
Orsino Apr 2016 #64
Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #65
rock Apr 2016 #70
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #73
840high Apr 2016 #81
kcass1954 Apr 2016 #71
Fla Dem Apr 2016 #74
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #75
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #78
Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #79
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #80
Unicorn Apr 2016 #86
Unicorn Apr 2016 #87
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #91
davidn3600 Apr 2016 #93
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #95
BootinUp Apr 2016 #92
wildeyed Apr 2016 #97

Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:23 PM

1. Join.

Get more involved!

To be honest, you're likely more involved than I am, but we can all do more work for the left cause!

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Response to metroins (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:24 PM

6. The left cause was defeated tonight. n/t

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:29 PM

14. If y'all give up this easily,

not hard to see why

Real players get back up after they take a hit. That is WHY Hillary Clinton is winning tonight. Because she didn't quit that time she lost. Think about it.....

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:33 PM

19. I disagree with your premise.

 

But it's over now.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:07 AM

56. We'll get back up, but it won't be this cycle

There is no progressive left running once Clinton wins the nomination.

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Response to pengu (Reply #56)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:01 AM

66. She is persuadable.

Y'all go on and on and on about how she changes her position all the time and how icky that is. But now you know you can push her to change.

FYI, many politicians WANT you to make them do things. They need the political cover that activists give them. MLK and Civil Rights forced LBJ. Anti-war pushed the narrative on Vietnam. #BLM is forcing the media and politicians to talk about police brutality and systemic racism. And, slowly, they are forcing the politicians to take some action.

Why can't berners do the same?

No one is going to do this for you. Waiting for DNC or any politician (even Bernie Sanders) to save you is a waste of time. You need to make them. Sounds trite, but you need to be the change.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:38 AM

67. No, she changes her RHETORIC. Her positions are consistently awful.

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Response to pengu (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:17 PM

72. Sanders and Clinton agree on almost everything

compared to the GOP. For instance, Sanders wants $15 minimum wage, Clinton wants $12, GOP wants to abolish it completely. But whatever. Have fun cutting off your nose despite your face!

This post is a prime example of why no one takes Sanders supporters seriously. Many of you won't work for what you believe in, and you don't vote consistently.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:34 PM

89. Wrong

they do not agree or war/regime change, disastrous trade agreements and corporate hegemony.

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Response to Carolina (Reply #89)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:00 PM

96. Well you get to choose

between Clinton and either Trump or Cruz. That's life. There is always compromise and disappointments. It's what you do after that defines you.

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Response to pengu (Reply #56)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:21 PM

77. If you don't help elect members of Congress you would be right.

Electing enough of them can also give her the incentive to support some of those issues. But if she has a Republican Congress she will be limited.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:31 PM

17. Sure. By Democracy. I'm sorry you can't see that.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:31 AM

50. Downballot.

There are still down-ballots that support Bernie's platform and you can help them by donating and phonebanking.

You can still do the same for Bernie coming up into California, Indiana, etc.

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Response to metroins (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:42 PM

25. No.

 

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Response to metroins (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:12 PM

99. Involved, yes. Join Hillary? No way in hell.

I've met her, I've dealt with her, I will never support her. Absolutely not. You cannot trust her. On any issue. Ever.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:23 PM

2. Sour grapes never taste well.

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:23 PM

3. That should be Bernie's slogan

"It's all on you from here on out. Good luck."

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:24 AM

61. Clinton has fostered that attitude

 

Her message: "I am winning. I don't have to accommodate him or his supporters."



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Response to Armstead (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:07 PM

101. Yep. Independents don't matter to her or her supporters.

 

Nor do the many Democrats who rightly do not trust her in the least.

Pretty soon now we'll see Hillary backing down from a lot of the things Bernie pushed her to: She'll come out firmly in support of a $12/hour minimum wage, phased in over the next ten years. Forgiveness of student loans only after they've been paying on them for 25 years. A freeze on the Social Security COLA, because otherwise there will be no way to pay for her endless wars. And raising of the age on SS to 68, maybe 70. Actually, the real thing for everyone to fear with SS is that they raise the minimum age to collect above 62.

Let's see, what else? More of the ACA will be controlled by the insurance companies, and we'll see the thing about pre-existing conditions rolled back. Taxes on the super wealthy being further lowered.

And all of the Hillarybots will be completely mystified when these things happen. "How could we POSSIBLY have known?" they'll wail. Well, all you had to do was look at her record, look at what she did and said over the years.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:23 PM

4. The Drama nt.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:48 PM

30. The drama. Yes. Nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:19 PM

83. The ability to understand what a corporatist and warhawk means.

 

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #83)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:46 PM

88. I am pretty clever, that. I do not know why you think we are clueless, but I do know

 

the dogmatic stances make conversation an impossibility.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:24 PM

5. Yep. The coronation is very nearly complete.

 

They are responsible for what comes of it.

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Response to TowneshipRebellion (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:29 PM

15. Coronation?

That indeed was predicted up until about a year ago. Fortunately it did not transpire as such. This has been a competitive contest based on actual issues that matter. More than I can ever say for the ongoing GOP side show.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:42 PM

94. There was never a coronation.

 

There was always, a hard working ethic taking nothing for granted....from all of us. Of coUrse we were feeling positive, but not more so that the positive emotions Sanders supporters felt.

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Response to TowneshipRebellion (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:36 PM

20. You misspelled democracy

 

Sanders didn't lose because of a coronation. Clinton won more votes that translated into more delegates. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but whining isn't going to change things.

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Response to mythology (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:39 PM

24. Thanks for the correction.

 

nt.

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Response to mythology (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:17 PM

76. There is ample evidence that the DNC colluded with the Clinton campaign.

 

For example, the stupid debate rules and schedule. So in that sense, there was an attempt by the Party to subvert voter choice and tilt the playing field in Hillary's favor.

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Response to TowneshipRebellion (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:17 AM

106. Much as Messiah was applied to Pres. Obama by RW idiots

Much as Messiah was applied to Pres. Obama by RW idiots, the very same is done in regards to Clinton with coronation. Simply another unsupported allegation lacking any reasonable or rational thought, but rather illustrating little more than petulant tantrums and ill-tempted resentment.

However, I'm certain you'll draw a most creative distinction between the peevishness of the GOP and your own, most righteous taunting. I look forward to it...

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:24 PM

7. Tools, probably most unwittingly, of the corporate elite.

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:48 PM

29. Ignorant, nt.

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Response to Broward (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:09 PM

98. Elitist. Condescending. Arrogant.

Entitled. Self Absorbed. Insular. Rigid. Ideological. And, finally, defeated.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #98)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:55 PM

100. I stand corrected. Clearly, some are ignorant and stupid.

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Response to Broward (Reply #100)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:07 AM

102. And some are salty,

obtuse and only know how to dish it out.


Partisan. Hidebound. Immodest. Bumptious. Vociferous. Monotonous. Failed.

It is tactless and rude to denigrate others because they chose a different political candidate than you. You should stand corrected there. And that is why you lost.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #102)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:18 AM

103. Take a look in the mirror.

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Response to Broward (Reply #103)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:54 AM

104. That's all you got?

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #104)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:11 AM

105. Hahahaha, nt.

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Response to Broward (Reply #105)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:39 AM

110. ....

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Response to Broward (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:20 AM

107. I too pretend that people are tools and pawns of an unnamed conspiracy merely for disagreeing with m

I too pretend that people are tools and pawns of an unnamed conspiracy merely for disagreeing with me as well!

Granted, we have no objective evidence for our allegations, and will never provide support for our bias beyond hysterical and irrational bumper-stickers, but it allows us all the validation we require to maintain the pretense that we are in fact, clever.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #107)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:32 AM

109. Conspiracy?

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:11 AM

58. that one hits home - the elitism is sometimes overwhelming

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:32 AM

62. and relying on conspiracies to explain the losses

"no way we could lose with our message . . . except by our opponent's cheating, lying, and stealing"

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:22 PM

84. Half the people in the bell curve are under 100.

 

That's 1 out of 2 people.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #84)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:43 AM

111. NOW the berners want to do math!

But only if they can use it to insinuate that anyone who didn't support their candidate is below average #BernieMath

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Response to Broward (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:49 PM

32. Not following the pied piper anyway.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:51 PM

34. You're following a Wall-Street loving, dishonest war-hungry pol.

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Response to Broward (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:54 PM

35. Your buying the RW talking points smears.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:58 PM

38. You're buying right-wing ideology.

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Response to Broward (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:07 PM

41. No, I am not. I have a pretty good handle on reality and what we are getting. Nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #41)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:08 PM

42. Apparently not.

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Response to Broward (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:10 PM

43. You are wrong.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:11 PM

45. I doubt it.

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Response to Broward (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:41 PM

47. All I care about, once the primaries are over, is NOT having the GOP back.

Hillary isn't a perfect candidate. There ARE no perfect candidates. Even Bernie is a politician. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but none of our politicians are going to walk on water (and if they do, I'll be searching their resume for going to illusion school long before I bow down).

But sadly for those who have worked their heart out for him, the math for Bernie to get a pledged delegate lead when the voting is over isn't looking good.

Bernie would rather have Hillary than Trump or Cruz. Hillary would rather have Bernie rather than Trump or Cruz.

I know what I'm getting. A politician. But not one who wants to control my body, take my rights along with just about every other group in this country that isn't WASM, deport millions, or obsessed with the size of her genitals enough to sue someone who parodied her body (I saw enough jokes about "HFC specials" in the 90s growing up, but Trump wants to sue for painting him as a grower instead of a shower? Wow).

I think, knowing Seabeyond for years, that she's on a similar wavelength.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:24 PM

8. It's going to make for interesting watching.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:25 PM

10. In a morbid sort of way! n/t

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:37 PM

22. It really is.

I wonder if Skinner will elaborate whether "I told you so" will be a TOS violation in the General?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:25 PM

9. I to, would like to congratulate Hillary supporters.

No snark, just congratulations.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:49 PM

33. Class act. Ty. Nt

 

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:13 AM

59. very gracious - thanks! (and keep up the good fight)

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:41 AM

69. Do ALL carrots act like this?

 

for the username.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:25 PM

11. My wish is to support the Democratic nominee

Be it Hillary or Bernie. Come November, the stakes will be too high to stay home.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:33 PM

18. My wish was to support A democratic nominee

 

It looks like there won't be one in this race.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:55 PM

36. +1

 

There's a 1960s Republican and a blazing moron.

Such a tough choice.

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Response to Triana (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:26 PM

46. Your right wing allies thank you

To their credit, they are not under the delusion that Hillary is any sort of "Republican", from any era. They vehemently oppose her for what she is, and not on the basis of how others attempt to portray her.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:30 PM

49. Don't give me that shit.

 

Hillary's negatives are her own and they are what will cost us the election if anything does. They don't belong to the voters. They belong to HER. She created them. We will all suffer because of them whether she is President or he is.

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Response to Triana (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:35 AM

52. She did not create them by any stretch

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:27 PM

12. Thank you for the good wishes!


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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:28 PM

13. Thanks...bye. nt

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:30 PM

16. The power of superior organizing.

Serious players will take note for next time.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:26 AM

108. The power of established channels that were used to long shut out open media coverage, significantly

limit voter participation and smear with mischaracterizations. Yeah, if that's your idea of open democracy, you deserve what you get. Congratulations.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:36 PM

21. We're fucked on climate change now

 

I won't say I told you so. But I'll be thinking it.



Hillary supporters own the coming shit.

Glad I have a clear conscience.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:10 AM

63. +1

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:38 PM

23. Thank you

Join us ...keep the dream alive...because if the GOP gets in and gets five pics...it is over for a generation...this is why I would have voted for Bernie had he won. I would vote for the Democratic nominee.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:57 PM

37. That's unlikely. n/t

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:44 PM

26. Thanks! Horayyyy

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:49 PM

31. Thank you.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:59 PM

39. Hillary doesn't need or want Sanders supporters.


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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #39)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:01 PM

40. That is fortunate for her. n/t

 

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:39 AM

68. Yep. I expect she'll change her tune when Trump moves to the center and gains on her

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:18 PM

82. She does to win the swing states n/t

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #82)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:25 PM

85. Yes, but she doesn't want them

basically, what she said.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:10 PM

44. I ain't wishing them good luck.

I don't want to know or have anything to do with anybody who supports Hillary or Trump. This upcoming election is going to be a national disgrace and disaster, unless the FBI actually steps in and does its job.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:45 PM

48. So when you leaving?

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:33 AM

51. Goodbye. Sorry you won't be joining us in this historic election.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:36 AM

53. The Triumph of the Shill

 

Directed by Leni Wallstreet.

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Response to Califonz (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:37 PM

90. You hit the nail on the head

$Hillary or Billary 2.0

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:56 AM

54. Direct your energy to electing a house and senate

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:05 AM

55. K&R

 

Moving the country forward really is in our hands. It is up to us to defeat Trump. To continue to fight for equality and a more just society. We understand the fight is ours and we are facing great opposition from the racists, bigots, and sexists scum on the right. They are the oppressors and we will fight them with everything we have.

Thanks for wishing us luck in our righteous endeavor.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:10 AM

57. no problem - thanks for the positive message

always refreshing to see good winners here - just shows we are the party of the adults

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:15 AM

64. It's all on Americans to make our next president the best ever.

Lobby hard at every level of government. Don't wait for the convention, don't wait forNovember, and never give up.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:27 AM

65. Thank you!

Onward to the GE!

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:39 PM

70. That's not our wish

That wish has been fulfilled since the sweep of the South. We now want the stench to clear of DU.

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Response to rock (Reply #70)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:25 PM

73. Well that's easily done.

 

Just close your mouth.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:16 PM

81. Snort.

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:54 PM

71. My momma always said, "Be careful what you wish for...

"... you just might get it!"

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:06 PM

74. No it's on you too and Bernie Sanders

If in fact Bernie Sanders has built this great movement, with "millions" of supporters. Put it to work. Regardless who the nominee is or who ends up being President, get active. Support your local candidates for city council, state reps, governors, congress. Heck run yourself if you feel the system needs changing. No better way than to change from within and from the bottom up.

It takes hard work and commitment to steer a government as big as ours to go in the direction we want it to go.

So now it's on Bernie to grow his movement, set something up nationally so you can get the kind of candidates in office that will support Bernie's agenda and put pressure on state and federal legislators.

But unfortunately just like all those new young voters who rallied for Obama and then didn't stick around for the hard work, or vote in the mid-terms, they left him high and dry. I fear the same will happen with Bernie and his flock. He'll go back to the senate to live out his days pushing legislation that won't go anywhere, and all those revolutionaries will just walk away, because,well, it's hard work.


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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #74)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:06 PM

75. I certainly intend to vote down-ticket.

 

Also, I voted for Obama both times, and in the mid-terms as well. Sadly, I'm left to wonder just exactly what it was I voted for, when Obama himself stands up against breaking up the banks, and nominates Republicans to the SCOTUS. What the hell is even the point of this party anymore?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:44 PM

78. I don't believe in wishes, being an agnostic. I look forward to President Hillary Clinton.

She will be a great, liberal President.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:45 PM

79. I disagree.

 

I also think that, despite the protestation of your subject line, you're engaging in the worst kind of wishful thinking.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #79)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:46 PM

80. Opinions vary.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:27 PM

86. Yeah, now that we see her supporters consider liberal

 

someone who helped write the tpp, does pro fracking speeches (google as some are recorded on youtube), think it's not corrupt to take your election money from super pacs, have no problem with someone who was Kissingeresque during her time as SOS, etc.

I'm too actually liberal to fall for that shite. No, she won't be a liberal president. That takes a liberal person with liberal values, and a liberal record. Not a liberal when I'm campaigning and bury everything else I've done record.

She'll be a dangerous neocon. Google her on Iran. I expect an Iran war within a year of her taking office. Google her on Nuking Iran. I hope the defense department fights her tooth and nail to not let her get away with her bloody first impulses that can easily compete with Trumps. Google Hillary nukes and iran. She aint no liberal. Liberals don't threaten to nuke people.

One thing I can say for Obama - he wasn't a war hawk. He wasn't into getting us into more war.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:34 PM

87. I googled for you. Since you're a hillary supporter I have ZERO faith in your checking for yourself

 

or vetting anything.

Clinton warns Iran of US Nuclear Response
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24246275/ns/msnbc-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/t/clinton-warns-iran-us-nuclear-response/#.VyKrl-T2ZJQ

Her last threat to attack Iran was in October 2015.

She is no liberal.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:39 PM

91. We didn't wish...we worked fucking hard. Nt

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #91)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:41 PM

93. You didnt have to work hard at all

 

This was rigged for Hillary from the start.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #93)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:45 PM

95. Well, your bitter, sorry for yourself imaginings is pretty sad

 

You have no idea what I had done, donated, called, educated, posted etc. making up shit is unlikely to make you feel better, and over indulging in conspiracy theories will only shove you further down the rabbit hole.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:39 PM

92. Reccing as an excellent "taking my ball and going home" example.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:02 PM

97. We didn't "get our wish".

We won. We are pragmatists, remember? We don't believe in wishing.

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