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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:14 AM Apr 2016

Hey Bernie, I know why the poor don't vote for you:

You're the only candidate promising to raise their taxes. Sure, you say there will be savings in other places, but if you live below the poverty line, and are already receiving Medicaid, you would cost them money.

Huh, people don't want to vote for the person raising the taxes they can't afford to pay. Who would have thunk it?

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Hey Bernie, I know why the poor don't vote for you: (Original Post) CrowCityDem Apr 2016 OP
another classy hill supporter! nt Logical Apr 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #3
The poor who don't vote don't vote for anybody, they don't follow politics. nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #2
Do you really believe that? fun n serious Apr 2016 #14
I do not think "Know" means what you think it means. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #4
! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #19
Another shameless minimization by Sanders like we witnessed him explain away the "southern vote" Trust Buster Apr 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #6
Incomes under 20K-48% vote. Incomes over 75K- 77% vote Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #7
They did not vote in caucus states because the poor can not afford to take the time off from work. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #8
So how then do you explain NY? It's the same thing, can't take time off to go vote. Upstate NY polls Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #9
It takes relatively little time to vote in an election. Compare turnout between election and caucus Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #12
I think Caucasus are corrupt. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #17
Caucases favor the young, the healthy, the wealthy, the able-bodied. It's not the same lunamagica Apr 2016 #23
Why post a thread for the sole purpose of of being obnoxious? Gore1FL Apr 2016 #10
It's the new look for the New Democratic Party! reformist2 Apr 2016 #11
Wow, either you're a troll or the Dem Party tent has gotten way too big. Broward Apr 2016 #13
Really? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #15
He raises the payroll tax. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #16
On people who make less than poverty line? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #18
people who are poor do not have income and do-NOT pay any 'income' taxes. silly OP. Sunlei Apr 2016 #20
There are other kinds of taxes. He wants to raise the payroll tax. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #21
And pay for rich people to get a free college education too!! Sancho Apr 2016 #22
I am poor. I voted for Bernie. Because I can think beyond a one-liner. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #24

Response to Logical (Reply #1)

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
14. Do you really believe that?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

In my opinion, they vote less but they vote. In my state they feel ignored and are participating this year

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Incomes under 20K-48% vote. Incomes over 75K- 77% vote
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

Why poor people still aren't voting

Less than half of those who made under $20,000 voted in 2012. Meanwhile, voter participation for people who live in households with incomes of more than $75,000 was much higher at 77%.

It's clear that the system is leaving many people out -- especially the poor.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/05/news/economy/poor-people-voting-rights/


Voter Turnout By Income, 2008 US Presidential Election
political participation rates by low-income Americans are alarmingly low, and our antiquated voting system contributes to this problem. The system is overly bureaucratic with unnecessarily restrictive registration procedures, which work to dissuade people from voting. Something as simple and common as moving within the same state jeopardizes voter eligibility due to registration requirements. Studies show that people of color, young people, and lower-income people move more often, leaving them more vulnerable to not being properly registered to vote.
http://www.demos.org/data-byte/voter-turnout-income-2008-us-presidential-election

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. So how then do you explain NY? It's the same thing, can't take time off to go vote. Upstate NY polls
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

don't even open until noon. Noon!.

Here in Oregon we let people vote when they wish to vote. No finding a polling place after noon, lining up and waiting to vote during some tiny widow in which your rights are available.

Why do you think Harry Reid pushed so hard to shift Nevada to Caucuses in 2008? Why didn't the Unions push back against that? Why do you think Washington Democratic Party sued the State of Washington to permit them to hold caucus instead of primary?

It's just that opposing those caucuses is very much opposing the wishes of the Democratic Party. I'd say you should be taking those complaints to the Party in those States and nationally that wants these caucuses. Nevada's is so new that Hillary has been in and won every caucus they have ever held.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
12. It takes relatively little time to vote in an election. Compare turnout between election and caucus
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

states. This is true, even in states where the number of election sites are kept artificially low.
A caucus requires hours of time to show up, gather, listen to speeches, and vote. Turnout in caucus states rarely exceeds 15%. Those that turned out are not working at 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet. They are designed to exclude large swaths of the population. This is not the fault of any modern politician. They are designed that way. Politicians who choose to use caucuses know very well that they don't need the poor, just a cadre of dedicated activists to win.
Sanders' caucus wins, and Clintons', and Obama's in 2008 all came by excluding the poor.

Gore1FL

(21,257 posts)
10. Why post a thread for the sole purpose of of being obnoxious?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

This isn't an auspicious start for you at DU.


 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
15. Really?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

Where has Bernie said he wants to raise the taxes on the working poor?

Jeeze!

A bit confused about his tax plan again?`

I mean, the only other places we here of this kind of drivel is Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones and the GOP

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
18. On people who make less than poverty line?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

Really?

Now where can you show me in his tax plan that he wants to put the tax burden on the poor?

One of the many reasons why neither Hillary or her more zealous supporters are to be trusted. Repeated mendacious propaganda taken straight out of Karl Rove's playbook.

Sancho

(9,073 posts)
22. And pay for rich people to get a free college education too!!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

while taxing the retirement funds of union workers and public employees. Who wouldn't want that??


ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
24. I am poor. I voted for Bernie. Because I can think beyond a one-liner.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

I live in Texas. Medicaid wasn't expanded. I would save money by voting for Bernie. He is the only candidate being pretty transparent.

On Hillary, any woman who is willing to leave any abortion legislation up for grabs is not someone who is "there for me" or any woman for that matter. She is not strong enough on that issue. She is "we can't." So "I can't" afford to vote for her.

I hope that helps.

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