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dinkytron

(568 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:45 AM Apr 2016

Secret servers, secret speeches, fake twitter#'s, slush funds, paid trolls. What did I leave out?

Am I really expected to hold my nose and vote for her if she's the nominee just to stop Donald and save the Supreme Court? This sucks.

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Secret servers, secret speeches, fake twitter#'s, slush funds, paid trolls. What did I leave out? (Original Post) dinkytron Apr 2016 OP
The +2,700,000 vote lead and the +241 pledged delegate lead Tarc Apr 2016 #1
what is that, about a 9% lead? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #2
Hey wait... SHRED Apr 2016 #4
I believe the keyword there is "lead" Tarc Apr 2016 #6
Hill fans are totally falling for her scam. Drones IMO. nt Logical Apr 2016 #37
Drones? Blind loyalty, emotion and celebrity = drones operated by remote control snowy owl Apr 2016 #132
So those numbers are all that matters? SheilaT Apr 2016 #15
"What about her willingness to bomb women and children" Tarc Apr 2016 #22
I wonder if you are able to make a point without sliding to snide. nt grasswire Apr 2016 #30
I have little time or patience for Sanders' bumper-sticker meme regurgitators Tarc Apr 2016 #31
little time for unity building either, apparently nt grasswire Apr 2016 #34
You also have very little intellectual curiosity about your candidate. But keep believing!! lol Logical Apr 2016 #38
that's a core problem Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #39
Conservative Survival Instincts bahrbearian Apr 2016 #46
yep Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #50
Yep. Lizard brain taking control. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #138
I think her $1 million online troll budget explains most of it. /nt Marr Apr 2016 #114
NOT slaughtering 100,000 innocents in Iraq is NOT 'neo-isolationist.' Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #72
"a targeted "enemy"" Tarc Apr 2016 #78
Where was his trial held? Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #99
As Khadaffy unleashed the horrors of terrorism upon the world for ~40 years Tarc Apr 2016 #104
Unleashing the "horrors" of being the Aerows Apr 2016 #107
"Clearly you remember something totally different than I do" Tarc Apr 2016 #108
Again, you clearly remember something Aerows Apr 2016 #110
I'm not going to cheerlead a terrorist financier by bragging about pretty highways Tarc Apr 2016 #119
I'm not a bro, and I'm not cheerleading Aerows Apr 2016 #120
You are chapion a terrorist-funding dictator, ignoring the tens of thousands killed Tarc Apr 2016 #121
History isn't your strong subject, apparently. Aerows Apr 2016 #122
A shame that the relatives of Pan Am 103 can't move on as cavalierly as you'd like to Tarc Apr 2016 #123
There are a whole lot of things that have been done. Aerows Apr 2016 #124
My soul is quite at peace, my dear Tarc Apr 2016 #125
Good Aerows Apr 2016 #126
Yeah, that's all it was, pretty highways and literacy rates. Just screw all those people over there, right? bjo59 Apr 2016 #153
Oh man, thank you. bjo59 Apr 2016 #152
It's a mess. Aerows Apr 2016 #156
Are you under the impression that as Secretary of State SheilaT Apr 2016 #98
You are a DINO berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #102
OH NOES Tarc Apr 2016 #103
we are going to purge the DINOs like you all purged the brooklyn votes... it might take awhile.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #105
A purge? In't that what the Soviets did? Tarc Apr 2016 #106
uhhhh... here's a the definition....rid (someone) of an unwanted feeling, memory, or condition, berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #141
Those are the same arguments that Sanders made to the primary voters Tarc Apr 2016 #142
It might have something to do with the media blackout of bernie for the first 3/4 of this primary.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #143
Lol, "the media blackout of Bernie" Tarc Apr 2016 #145
Cue the X Files theme. Every time Bernie loses its always redstateblues Apr 2016 #134
Cue the arrogance and republican speak.. a hillary supporter is talking berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #139
So bombing is preferable to isolationism? And selling fracking to Bulgaria...Romania? snowy owl Apr 2016 #135
Proving the OP's point Depaysement Apr 2016 #33
I don't agree with all the wars we've gotten into Tarc Apr 2016 #59
Really? You added the word "indiscriminately" to Sheila's post Depaysement Apr 2016 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #52
tarc is always snide..from what i have seen berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #101
Oooh, hyperbole! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #150
I'm sane and it doesn't make me dismiss this person whatsoever. bjo59 Apr 2016 #151
Eat shit. Billions of flies can be wrong! hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #25
These are counts of votes, and more importantly, delegates Tarc Apr 2016 #29
That's still a popularity argument. You just added a condescending tone to it. hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #35
I'm sorry that the concept of voting seems to be rather new to you, but Tarc Apr 2016 #57
Being a little condescending didn't make your case. Being worse won't either. hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #65
I'm sorry that you find the truth to be condescending Tarc Apr 2016 #79
What determines the party nominees is Who They Allow to Vote bahrbearian Apr 2016 #48
Ah yea, the day wouldn't be complete without a bit of tinfoil hat-donning Tarc Apr 2016 #58
ok.... bahrbearian Apr 2016 #63
Why hello there, non sequitur Tarc Apr 2016 #81
Money laundering? (according to TYT) and hogging donations to the Democratic party generally Baobab Apr 2016 #100
Yes, you are! TM99 Apr 2016 #3
Its absolutely chilling. And there is no appropriate emoticon. dinkytron Apr 2016 #9
I think you meant "hosed"? n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #10
I meant "housed". dinkytron Apr 2016 #12
My bad; thanks. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #13
I worked at a hospital where Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #40
Funny, but not funny. azmom Apr 2016 #92
I think housed is right. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #146
I and many other smart people TM99 Apr 2016 #14
war profiteering lmbradford Apr 2016 #5
Death of environmentalists, leftists, and above all natives... SHRED Apr 2016 #7
Kissinger, Kagan, and Kochs. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #8
Lions and tigers and bears oasis Apr 2016 #11
Nixon in a pantsuit. AzDar Apr 2016 #16
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #43
At least she's no longer talking about obliterating other countries. vintx Apr 2016 #17
For now. 840high Apr 2016 #18
It must have failed the focus group testing. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #140
American "exceptional-ism" regime change and war, lots of war. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #19
Voter suppression... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #20
Hit Lists! senz Apr 2016 #21
Another negative thread against the Democratic frontrunner. cwydro Apr 2016 #23
These are what smart poeple call ISSUES. . . it is not our fault if Hillary is on the wrong side pdsimdars Apr 2016 #44
More negative attacks. Sigh. cwydro Apr 2016 #68
This^^^ To them, facts = smears. It would be laughable if it were not so sad. dinkytron Apr 2016 #88
They want to censor all information about Hillary. senz Apr 2016 #91
Me too. It is always darkest before sunrise. I find such comfort knowing we are dinkytron Apr 2016 #93
^^^ This is the spirit ^^^ senz Apr 2016 #94
Got anything positve to say about your candidate? cwydro Apr 2016 #95
Desperation is trying to talk down people who don't care what you have to say. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #109
It really sucks to lose. The pouting is coming from the Bernie supporters redstateblues Apr 2016 #136
I was honestly afraid to lol. cwydro Apr 2016 #148
Lol. cwydro Apr 2016 #147
Who's richly earned it. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #75
fake endorsements. No, wait, that's Bernie. wyldwolf Apr 2016 #24
emails and stuff. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #26
Wind Depaysement Apr 2016 #27
Sanders is an Independent... FarPoint Apr 2016 #28
Hillary is the one who has to PAY her supporters, we all found that out these last few days. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #45
Hahahaha... FarPoint Apr 2016 #67
It's true. Marr Apr 2016 #116
The North Remembers... From Game of Thrones. FarPoint Apr 2016 #117
That doesn't even make sense. Marr Apr 2016 #118
H is a compassionate conservative (minus much of the compassion), and she'll be back to Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #128
It does. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #32
Yeah, 'just' to save the Supreme Court. You must be primo-privileged to think that's all it is. randome Apr 2016 #36
Shouldn't you also mention all those dead bodies left in her wake from her "foreign policy"? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #41
Just like all the victims of gun violence resulting redstateblues Apr 2016 #133
You left these out ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #42
Save those for november you will need them SwampG8r Apr 2016 #47
Don't you mean "we'll" need them? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #49
Called it! It's never about 'us', is it? randome Apr 2016 #61
Yup, seems pretty obvious. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #66
Poorly done kreskin SwampG8r Apr 2016 #69
She'll win. And you'll need those tissues. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #70
You keep the tissues ill keep my integrity SwampG8r Apr 2016 #71
It is funny instead of being adults and considering their own interests and vote accordingly treestar Apr 2016 #80
The bottom line is that they can dish it out ... but they can't take it. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #86
rigging voting? (IA, NV, NY.....) Jackilope Apr 2016 #51
This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Apr 2016 #53
We have a Dem president now and legally he should be allowed to fill the SC vacancy. peace13 Apr 2016 #54
Yup. Stopping Donald Trump? Priceless. MineralMan Apr 2016 #55
Vote for the Democratic candidate... Aerows Apr 2016 #158
Republicans won't let Trump win their primary but they will try to deport millions of 'undocumented Sunlei Apr 2016 #56
120,000 purged bernie voters..brooklyn berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #60
The "I'm Not a Crook" bumperstickers? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #62
lied about Colombia FTA, reckless regime change in Libya, rewarded donors while SoS, etc amborin Apr 2016 #64
Vince Foster, Mena Airport. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #73
Running under sniper fire. She will always own that. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #74
Yeah, that was a dumb thing to say. So what politician doesn't say dumb things from time to time? randome Apr 2016 #76
Whoa, it was more than a dumb thing to say, it was a big fat fibberlicious LIE. dinkytron Apr 2016 #90
I've said it before and I'll say it again. randome Apr 2016 #113
you are expected to do nothing treestar Apr 2016 #77
you think they robbed us with the S&L's and Bailouts and everything in between? reddread Apr 2016 #82
Turning people into newts. n/t Scurrilous Apr 2016 #83
Money laundering though the DNC & pay to play through the Clinton foundation awake Apr 2016 #84
A willingness to kill enthusiasm felix_numinous Apr 2016 #85
turning Libya and Honduras into warzones at the behest of lobbyists MisterP Apr 2016 #87
Look at my .sig. You're missing that. And its important. Baobab Apr 2016 #89
Faking the moon landing, hiding aliens in Area 51, plotting the 9/11 attacks... sentenza607 Apr 2016 #96
50 cent? Rex Apr 2016 #111
"What did I leave out?" edhopper Apr 2016 #112
^ This LOL! nt OhZone Apr 2016 #129
Two words. Aerows Apr 2016 #115
Yep. vintx Apr 2016 #130
Atlanta airport style Aerows Apr 2016 #157
You forgot matt819 Apr 2016 #127
Poor Sparkly was defeated by a list; how another list. I like lists! B=superior candidate! snowy owl Apr 2016 #131
Bosnia, and a big mouth husband who is becoming a liability. elehhhhna Apr 2016 #137
you forgot secret counting software owned by 1%ers questionseverything Apr 2016 #144
Oh, you forgot, she's a mass murderer Dem2 Apr 2016 #149
The Supreme Court doesn't mean shit when people can't live on this planet. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #154
True that is what you have to do. gordianot Apr 2016 #155
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. So those numbers are all that matters?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:53 AM
Apr 2016

What about her willingness to bomb women and children? Her saying a $12/hour minimum wage is just fine, even though she gets hundreds of thousands of dollars for one speech? How about her willingness to compromise on a woman's right to choose? Or that in the years she was on the Walmart board she did nothing to turn around the move to ever lower wages and the complete vilification of unions? Even though it is the unions that gave us stuff like the 40 hour week, paid vacations, health care benefits.

I see no evidence that she actually supports anyone other than the 1% she represents. I sincerely hope you are just fine when your Medicare and Social Security are cut while we fight more and more wars abroad.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
22. "What about her willingness to bomb women and children"
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

Ascribing hyperbolic terrorist descriptions to an American politician just makes sane people dismiss you from the conversation without listening to any other points you may have to make.

Ta-ta...

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
31. I have little time or patience for Sanders' bumper-sticker meme regurgitators
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

"She wants to bombs women and children". Seriously? This is what I'd worry about most in a Sanders Presidency, that we'd become some weird neo-isolationist state.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
38. You also have very little intellectual curiosity about your candidate. But keep believing!! lol
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
39. that's a core problem
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

what is it that makes her supporters able to ignore all of this dangerous, ugly baggage, or, pretend it doesn't matter?

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
72. NOT slaughtering 100,000 innocents in Iraq is NOT 'neo-isolationist.'
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

NOT laughing about the bayonet rape and murder of a targeted "enemy" ("We came, we saw, he died! ha-ha-ha&quot and blowing Libya's society to smithereens--tens of thousands of innocents brutalized, displaced, killed, an on-going catastrophe for women and children in particular--is NOT 'neo-isolationist.'

NOT arming jihadist thugs to create civil chaos in yet another ME country, Syria, is NOT 'neo-isolationist.'

NOT supporting a fascist coup in yet another Latin American country, Honduras, where the women leading the anti-coup movement are being murdered by fascist death squads--not to mention systematic rapes all over the country, with gays also targeted--is NOT 'neo-isolationist.'

The U.S. can be fully engaged with the rest of the world through peaceful trade and diplomacy without murdering millions of people and inflicting other horrors upon them.

But that is not the way of Hillary Clinton's advisers--Robert Kagan (chief neo-con, architect of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld's blueprint for destabilizing and dominating the ME), and Henry Fucking Kissinger, slaughterer of millions in Southeast Asia, and inflicter of yet more "regime change" (mass murder, torture, brutal repression) on Latin America.

Clinton supporters don't seem to realize that Clinton has become a neo-con. She has been "blooded" in Honduras, Libya, Syria and Iraq, and will carry the neo-con "Project For a New American Century" back into the White House, to the absolute glee of every war profiteer inside the Beltway. The neo-cons don't believe in diplomacy and peaceful trade. They believe in bludgeoning the rest of the world into submission.

It is NOT 'neo-isolationist' to oppose them. It is sanity to oppose them. Your conflation of peace with 'isolationism' is a symptom of how far the Democratic Party and our country have gone off the deep end of militarism and war, because YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT ANY MORE.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
99. Where was his trial held?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

Do you believe in torture? Death penalty? What right did we have to arrange his torture and death? What right did we have to unleash the horrors of civil war on Libya's people?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
104. As Khadaffy unleashed the horrors of terrorism upon the world for ~40 years
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:07 PM
Apr 2016

I'd say it came down to karma.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
107. Unleashing the "horrors" of being the
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:20 PM
Apr 2016

most progressive country in Northern Africa, with literacy rates, equality for women and providing opportunity for other African nations to benefit?

Clearly you remember something totally different than I do, and if you think the current state of Libya is an improvement, you don't have a plot to lose.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
110. Again, you clearly remember something
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

totally different than I do.

Please proceed to tell me how Libya has benefited since the ouster of Qaddafi.

I'll wait.

And probably will be waiting until I'm old and gray for you to struggle to come up with an answer, but if you want to go there, I'm ready.

Maybe you will get around to discussing foreign policy blunders in Honduras, too. If you want to dance with me, you'd best be in good shape and wearing your dancing shoes.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
119. I'm not going to cheerlead a terrorist financier by bragging about pretty highways
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

and literacy rates. That's your deal, bro.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
120. I'm not a bro, and I'm not cheerleading
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

I'm stating outright facts.

You can gripe at me when the raccoon jokes die down, the deep South jokes subside, but in the end, it's the truth.

Oh, you don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Get in the trenches, darlin', and you will learn a thing or two.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
121. You are chapion a terrorist-funding dictator, ignoring the tens of thousands killed
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

In his purges of opponents and dissidents over 4 decades of rule, and the tens of thousands more that were murdered globally as a result of his money funding bombers, hijackers, and the like.

But hey, at least they had nice roads!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
122. History isn't your strong subject, apparently.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

I get your "The trains ran on time" defense, but it really doesn't apply here.

Ready to move on to Honduras?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
123. A shame that the relatives of Pan Am 103 can't move on as cavalierly as you'd like to
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

I think we're done here.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
124. There are a whole lot of things that have been done.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

For the sake of your soul, ask yourself if they should have been.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
153. Yeah, that's all it was, pretty highways and literacy rates. Just screw all those people over there, right?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:01 PM
Apr 2016

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
152. Oh man, thank you.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:58 PM
Apr 2016

Reading some of the posts on here just makes my head hurt... and my stomach twist. Never have I read such a bunch of utter tripe in all my life... and delivered with such sublime confidence.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
98. Are you under the impression that as Secretary of State
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

she made lots of good-will tours and passed out flowers? Or do you know that she went ahead with all sorts of bombing programs. Or that she (along with far too many others) voted for the Iraq war?


It just goes on and on, and NEVER do the Hillarybots here respond substantively to such things. NEVER.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
105. we are going to purge the DINOs like you all purged the brooklyn votes... it might take awhile..
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

but luckily we have youth and time on our side. Be ready to fight for your principles... although we haven't actually heard any principles from you... just snide smartass comments with no real substance.


Tarc

(10,476 posts)
106. A purge? In't that what the Soviets did?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

We have had a long primary season, and thus far Clinton has topped Sanders in the overall vote, states, and most importantly pledge delegates. The question was put to the voters as to which candidate they felt has the better vision for the country. Your guy didn't make it.

Advice; it is time to learn how to lose gracefully. I supported Dean in 2004 and Hillary in 2008. You'll move on, don't worry.


berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
141. uhhhh... here's a the definition....rid (someone) of an unwanted feeling, memory, or condition,
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

typically giving a sense of cathartic release.

You all want to talk and act like republicans... I have no problem moving the party to the left and saying goodbye to you DINOs... you don't care about free and fair elections.. you don't care about big money owning your candidate... you don't mind 44 years of bushs and clintons.. Yes purge we should.. read the definition again

Advice... pull your head out of the sand... see the corruption and influence corporate wall street money that your candidate represents... or head to the other side of the aisle where those values belong

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
142. Those are the same arguments that Sanders made to the primary voters
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

A majority of which decided to go in Clinton's direction.

Perhaps it may be time to consider the notion that most Democrats, particularly women, African-Americans, and Latinos (y'know, those blocs that Sanders performed abysmally with?) do not share your point-of-view?

You may just not be the party base after all...

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
143. It might have something to do with the media blackout of bernie for the first 3/4 of this primary..
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:08 PM
Apr 2016

you.. just don't get what the fight is about...bye bye smart mouth

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
145. Lol, "the media blackout of Bernie"
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

He and everyone else running for president for almost the past year or so has been covered to death by the media. Whether it is interviews on cable news, sitdowns with Meet the Press type shows or all of the televised debates, he has had more than enough coverage.

Seriously bro, the "people just haven't met Bernie yet" shtick petered out as a viable argument around January.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
134. Cue the X Files theme. Every time Bernie loses its always
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

Some conspiracy. It's makes you guys look foolish

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
135. So bombing is preferable to isolationism? And selling fracking to Bulgaria...Romania?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

BTW, is she for or against fracking? I've forgotten her last stance on that?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sainato/hillary-clinton-touted-fr_b_8564764.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/09/hillary-clinton-wants-to-regulate-fracking-but-still-accepts-a-lot-of-fracking-money/

She loves the children for sure . . . is it just American children?

If she fails in politics, she can get a job with the tobacco companies and sell tobacco to the rest of the world.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
33. Proving the OP's point
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

You have just whitewashed large swaths of US history over the past seventy years. For Hillary. Amazing.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
59. I don't agree with all the wars we've gotten into
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

but the notion that we "bomb women and children" indiscriminately is absurd. The last thing we need in the White House in the 21st century is a pacifist.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
97. Really? You added the word "indiscriminately" to Sheila's post
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

She said bomb women and children, which the US has done from Dresden to Tripoli and many, many times in between.

The last thing we need is an eager "warrior" in the White House.

Response to Tarc (Reply #22)

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
150. Oooh, hyperbole!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

Tell that to the hundreds of activists and organizers assassinated in Honduras after the coup d'etat that Clinton supported there.

Tell that to the people still dying in the wake of the Libyan destruction with no plan for the day after, which Obama calls his greatest regret but Clinton was proud to own as her greatest SoS achievement.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
151. I'm sane and it doesn't make me dismiss this person whatsoever.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

It's not a "hyperbolic terrorist description" of an American politician. It's the cold, hard truth. Where have you been?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
29. These are counts of votes, and more importantly, delegates
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

Y'know, delegates? The counting of which determines the party nominee?

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
35. That's still a popularity argument. You just added a condescending tone to it.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

Besides, bringing up delegates is even less relevant to OP's question unless OP is a delegate, but I don't see any reason to believe that.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
57. I'm sorry that the concept of voting seems to be rather new to you, but
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

that's kinda how elections are determined.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
65. Being a little condescending didn't make your case. Being worse won't either.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

The people Hillary has attracted are an odd combination of dishonest, mean, and without self-awareness. Reminds me of Cruz's crowds.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
79. I'm sorry that you find the truth to be condescending
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

We're having en election. Your candidate didn't get as many votes as our candidate.

That's life, bro.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
58. Ah yea, the day wouldn't be complete without a bit of tinfoil hat-donning
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sorry that it is such an alien concept to you that people have a preference for Clinton over Sanders.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
3. Yes, you are!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

Party purity over principles.

The D after the name means she is the embodiment of liberal and progressive values.

What are you? So sort of selfish child? Now get yourself inline, hold your nose, and vote for the first female president despite her glaring flaws and scandals.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
9. Its absolutely chilling. And there is no appropriate emoticon.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

She's gonna get housed in the general if she wins the nom.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
40. I worked at a hospital where
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

getting "housed" meant - getting an enema



I've never forgotten that moment...........

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
14. I and many other smart people
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:18 AM
Apr 2016

know this to be very true. She will not do well in the general.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
5. war profiteering
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:55 AM
Apr 2016

quid pro quo.......money laundering thru the foundation. Deals for foreign nationals....God, so many I can't even think of them all.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
7. Death of environmentalists, leftists, and above all natives...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:58 AM
Apr 2016

...in Honduras.

A Hillary State Department approved situation there, the effects of which are happening now.

It's the same war they called it "Manifest Destiny" in my school books in the 1960s and 1970s.
I was raised sanatized from this historic brutality against native cultures...but I found out.

Response to AzDar (Reply #16)

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
17. At least she's no longer talking about obliterating other countries.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:21 AM
Apr 2016

It seems she's learned to stifle that particular type of idiocy ... at least.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
21. Hit Lists!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:28 AM
Apr 2016


Almost six years later most Clinton aides can still rattle off the names of traitors and the favors that had been done for them, then provide details of just how each of the guilty had gone on to betray the Clintons—as if it all had happened just a few hours before. The data project ensured that the acts of the sinners and saints would never be forgotten.

There was a special circle of Clinton hell reserved for people who had endorsed Obama or stayed on the fence after Bill and Hillary had raised money for them, appointed them to a political post, or written a recommendation to ice their kid’s application to an elite school.

On one early draft of the hit list, each Democratic member of Congress was assigned a numerical grade from one to seven, with the most helpful to Hillary earning ones and the most treacherous drawing sevens. The set of sevens included Sens. John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Bob Casey, and Patrick Leahy, as well as Reps. Chris Van Hollen, Baron Hill, and Rob Andrews.


Many of the other names on the traitor side of the ledger were easy to remember, from Ted Kennedy to John Lewis, the civil rights icon whose defection had been so painful that Bill Clinton seemed to be in a state of denial about it. In private conversations, he tried to explain away Lewis’s motivations for switching camps midstream, after Obama began ratcheting up pressure for black lawmakers to get on “the right side of history.”

Lewis, because of his own place in American history and the unique loyalty test he faced with the first viable black candidate running for president, is a perfect example of why Clinton aides had to keep track of more detailed information than the simple binary of for and against. Perhaps someday Lewis’s betrayal could be forgiven.

Ted Kennedy (another seven on the hit list) was a different story.

He had slashed Hillary worst of all, delivering a pivotal endorsement speech for Obama just before the Super Tuesday primaries that cast her as yesterday’s news and Obama as the rightful heir to Camelot. He did it in conjunction with a New York Times op-ed by Caroline Kennedy that said much the same thing in less thundering tones. Bill Clinton had pleaded with Kennedy to hold off, but to no avail.

Still, Clinton aides exulted in schadenfreude when their enemies faltered. Years later they would joke about the fates of folks who they felt had betrayed them.

“Bill Richardson: investigated; John Edwards: disgraced by scandal; Chris Dodd: stepped down,” one said to another. “Ted Kennedy,” the aide continued, lowering his voice to a whisper for the punch line, “dead.”


More at the link.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. Another negative thread against the Democratic frontrunner.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

Why not post something positive about your candidate?

You're not "expected" to do anything. Silly comment.

That'll be between you and your conscience.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
44. These are what smart poeple call ISSUES. . . it is not our fault if Hillary is on the wrong side
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

of every issue. . That is her lifelong achievement.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
68. More negative attacks. Sigh.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

Btw, "smart people" know how to spell people.

I see from your transparency page that negativity is nothing new to you.

Have a nice day now.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
91. They want to censor all information about Hillary.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

This their strategy, to keep her history, her true nature, under wraps.

What amazes me is: they know how bad she is. They just don't want others to know it.

Gives me the creeps.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
93. Me too. It is always darkest before sunrise. I find such comfort knowing we are
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

going forward together, brothers and sisters, wherever that may be. That we are fighting big money interests and corporate culture. I believe in Bernie, his values and his humility.

And to be on the same side as Danny Glover and Harry Belafonte-- the two most awesome justice fighters I know, makes me feel so good. LETS KEEP FIGHTING! I love you guys and gals!!!!!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
94. ^^^ This is the spirit ^^^
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

We are up against something ugly, but together we can resist and overcome it.

We need to support each other and not give up.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
95. Got anything positve to say about your candidate?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

Seems you have all given up on that tack.

The desperation coming from your side is what is so sad.

You can post all the negative stories you want, quote right-wing talking points if you so desire.

You won't change a single mind. Surely you know that.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
109. Desperation is trying to talk down people who don't care what you have to say.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

It must be hard to be a Clinton supporter, post how anti-gun she is and then lil' Annie Oakley returns to Pennsylvania.

You think your candidate has "the numbers", Karl? Fine, then why the desperate worried posts in response to anyone who doesn't like the DLC's latest attempt to make America center-right again. If I were as sure as you Clinton supporters claim to be, I'd just relax and understand that people aren't going to have the same opinion that I do. After all isn't Democratic Underground's Sanders supporters an insignificant aberration that's not reflected in the "real world"? That's what I read often in the pouting chamber Hillary Clinton Group.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
136. It really sucks to lose. The pouting is coming from the Bernie supporters
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

I've dropped by over in Bernie world and the denialism going on there is astonishing.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
148. I was honestly afraid to lol.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

The last time I did (right after NY) I noticed a few usually regular posters had disappeared.

Curious.

I could make an analogy here, but I won't.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
147. Lol.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

Your post actually made me chuckle.

You are actually calling me "Karl" ? No worries; I never alert, but that was chuckle-worthy.

Can you engage without personal attacks?

Apparently, you are the second or third to show me that you cannot.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
75. Who's richly earned it.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

The fact that a venal, inconsistent, corporate tool of dubious integrity is the frontrunner is deeply humiliating for the party.

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
28. Sanders is an Independent...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

He is still running as an Independent related to his Senate seat ..and currently anti Democratic Party issues.....with paid trolls.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
45. Hillary is the one who has to PAY her supporters, we all found that out these last few days.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016
As for the party, the only true DEMOCRAT is Bernie. Hillary is a Republican.

The party they REPRESENT is based on the ISSUES they stand for.

No one can make the argument that Hillary is a Democrat and Bernie is not with any factual basis.






 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
116. It's true.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

Is this really how you treat facts that don't support your assumptions? You just pretend they aren't facts, and go on believing?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
128. H is a compassionate conservative (minus much of the compassion), and she'll be back to
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

running as one very soon.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. Yeah, 'just' to save the Supreme Court. You must be primo-privileged to think that's all it is.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

And you forgot to reference your own petulant bitterness, as unclassy as it is to see displayed here. If you see yourself as a loser, you will always be a loser.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
41. Shouldn't you also mention all those dead bodies left in her wake from her "foreign policy"?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

I also saw some guy who was the former head of the DIA, which is the Defense department equivalent to the CIA.

He said that in Obama's interview with Mike Wallace, Obama had said that Hillary was "careless" with the classified information. He had also commented at another time that she had been careless with Libya and the Russian Reset and the Pacific Pivot. In other words she seems to have shown very poor judgement consistently. Is that who we want as our president?

Not me!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
49. Don't you mean "we'll" need them?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016


Oh wait I get it ... you WANT Hillary to lose in November so we can have a President Trump, who destroys the country ... and then 4 years later the Bernie revolution rises from the ashes.

Very telling choice of pronouns on your part.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
61. Called it! It's never about 'us', is it?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
69. Poorly done kreskin
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

I am not emotionally invested in her campaign
Her losing only bears out my opinion and nothing else
And while if she is elected WE will all lose if she is not i dont really give enough of a red fuck about her to drop a.single tear for her.
My sadness will be for.my country on either count.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
80. It is funny instead of being adults and considering their own interests and vote accordingly
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

they seem to prefer spite over us?

They can look at Hillary vs. Trump and decide for themselves. So it's an odd choice to taunt us about it. If they care about themselves at all, they'd vote. Yet it is implied they won't because we weren't nice enough to them - their own interests have been forgotten.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
86. The bottom line is that they can dish it out ... but they can't take it.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016

And there is a segment of these folks who see the total collapse of the country as a necessary condition for their personal version of Utopia to rise from the ashes.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
54. We have a Dem president now and legally he should be allowed to fill the SC vacancy.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

They refuse to allow it. There is absolutely no reason to believe that this behavior will not continue. If there is a remedie to this obstruction, why not use it today.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
55. Yup. Stopping Donald Trump? Priceless.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

Saving the Supreme Court? Also Priceless.

Want some more?

Preventing Republican control of all three branches of federal government? Beyond priceless.

Vote for the Democrat in November!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
158. Vote for the Democratic candidate...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

... if you can.

You have held yourself up as a precinct captain.

You should be offended, concerned and outright alarmed at what is going on with "running out of ballots" narrowing polling places and people's registration getting flipped.

I can't believe you are condoning this.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
56. Republicans won't let Trump win their primary but they will try to deport millions of 'undocumented
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

and continue their pogrom against 'others'. Republicans spend billions to 'attack' the D party, they have thousands of media, bloggers and RW radio shows and a TV station to spam you daily.

Can you vote against that beast or are you so demoralized you've given up the only democracy you own(your one vote)?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
76. Yeah, that was a dumb thing to say. So what politician doesn't say dumb things from time to time?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
113. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton is of a female generation that needed to prove they were as brave and strong as men. It's something that insinuates itself into the minds of ambitious women of that generation -that they will never be good enough.

The idea of sniper fire obviously came to her lips before she could stop it and then she rambled on and made it worse.

I honestly don't think it counts as a 'lie' -although it was untrue- because I'm willing to give anyone -yes, even Clinton- the benefit of a doubt with the knowledge that her generation has had many more struggles to be seen as equals than the generations that followed.

But then I'm a forgiving person and willing to look at the entirety of someone's intentions, not take one isolated -stupid- remark and make it into more than it should be.

I don't even fault Sanders for some of the stupid things he's said -like how Clinton isn't qualified or that southern states don't count or that he's losing only because poor people don't vote. It's just static.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

treestar

(82,383 posts)
77. you are expected to do nothing
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

you get to vote for whoever you want and whoever you think is in your best interest to have in the office.

You get to decide this for yourself.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
85. A willingness to kill enthusiasm
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

and demoralize a population that has awakened to the possibility of having real representation in Washington, just to get into the WH again. Her campaign is cruel and obviously sees nothing wrong with insulting and demoralizing and dismissing whole swaths of the population, just to beat us back into hopelessness in a system that has not represented us in many years.

The anger the Progressive movement has is toward the people who will not share goods and resources, we want a participatory democracy where EVERYONE is represented, and we love this enthusiasm and cooperation!!

sentenza607

(22 posts)
96. Faking the moon landing, hiding aliens in Area 51, plotting the 9/11 attacks...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

... and, I'm pretty certain, stealing my socks from the dryer every now and then.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
115. Two words.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton Foundation.

Republicans are chomping at the bit to unleash hell over that. They just want her to get the nomination first.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
130. Yep.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

They're keeping their powder dry on this and a lot more.

She's got more baggage than a fucking Samsonite factory.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
127. You forgot
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

The quid pro quo for her actions as SoS after donations to the Clinton foundation. These two are racketeers.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
131. Poor Sparkly was defeated by a list; how another list. I like lists! B=superior candidate!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

Esp. when they show one candidate superior to another!

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
155. True that is what you have to do.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

Vote for Hillary no Donald, save the Supreme Court. DU is the only place I know that anyone likes Hillary. I actually get perverse pleasure from denial.

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