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lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:21 PM Apr 2016

If clinton doesn't release the transcripts, Trump surely will.

Remember, he's openly pals with all the banksters. He has probably already gotten copies of everything, and has his oppo people combing through them now. Hell, Trump may have attended some of those speeches.

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If clinton doesn't release the transcripts, Trump surely will. (Original Post) lagomorph777 Apr 2016 OP
Trump isn't good at keeping secrets,,, brooklynite Apr 2016 #1
Trump doesn't want to damage her yet - then he'd have to face Bernie! lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #2
Yah, and conversely ... salinsky Apr 2016 #3
Bernie has a lifetime record to stand on and a Democrat and Republican Congress. Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
Bernie is proudly socialist, and polls show that voters like that lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #5
^^THIS^^ n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #38
What about her rights? procon Apr 2016 #6
Hahaha! Yes, Trump will be so careful to protect her rights when he slips the lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #7
You're pushing for Trump to do something illegal in hope of tearing down the Democratic frontrunner. procon Apr 2016 #8
Right, llike Trump reads DU lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #9
Read the replies you're getting. procon Apr 2016 #27
Please recognize that it's pretty obvious when you twist my words. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #28
ah, fageddabowdit - Cruz's wife has them too! floppyboo Apr 2016 #39
lol - can you 840high Apr 2016 #51
It's getting easier actually lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #52
No. They're highlighting a tactic that trump will do if Clinton becmes the canadate PFunk1 Apr 2016 #42
I think you are on the wrong Party discussion Board Sheepshank Apr 2016 #20
Now you're in lalaland lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #23
nope....I've never considered him a Dme Sheepshank Apr 2016 #24
You're probably not old enough to remember when Dems were to the left of Repubs. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #29
The disregard for the legal process evidenced by some Berniacs is disgusting. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #15
You seem to have no clue what we're up against. Trump has no respect for the law or decency... lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #26
I have a LOT of clues. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #35
Well, thank you! lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #36
No prob. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #37
I think you're going to be disappointed about what's in those speeches. Many people BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #10
She is not helping your case. It's pretty obvious she considers them extremely damaging. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #11
then she would do herself a LOT of good by releasing them dana_b Apr 2016 #14
"Speechgate" is even more pathetic and laughable than "emailgate." MoonRiver Apr 2016 #12
Your smily makes a clear and cogent argument. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #13
Dear Mahatma: OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #16
Not much thought needed to address a silly fantasy. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #17
Serious warning, not silly fantasy. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #19
this is a good way to bump up that post count...respond to every single post n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #21
That's what you've got? Now it's too much trouble to even type a smily? lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #30
Because it is all YOU'VE got. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #40
If the transcripts get out, Annnie Oakley is hosed. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #41
yeah...just like he got all that damning birth cert info on Obama Sheepshank Apr 2016 #18
Except that we know the transcripts exist, and we already know a little of the content. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #22
Now wait a sec, let's unpack your angst... procon Apr 2016 #43
Chief source of worry is the candidate's behavior lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #45
What damage? She won a landslide in NY and is poised to do so again next Tuesday. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #47
It's about the independents. Left-leaners will stay home. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #48
Don't assume that being an Independent voter is synonymous with supporting Bernie. procon Apr 2016 #55
I was referring to left-leaning indies, not centrist or right-leaning. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #56
Most people are chuckling, or completely indifferent. procon Apr 2016 #53
Dem voters in closed elections... lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #54
I think these transcripts would make her more popular with Republican voters. jalan48 Apr 2016 #25
The transcripts won't be a big deal after Bernie is dispatched.. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #31
Excuse me, but the right flank is Trump territory anyway; no need to fight for it. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #33
NO republican is calling for the release of these transcripts Gothmog Apr 2016 #32
They don't want to damage her before the GE. She's the easier target and must be protected for now. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #34
Because Trump isn't trying to woo independents Amaril Apr 2016 #44
The transcripts are a total red herring nichomachus Apr 2016 #46
Yeah, but Citizen's United legalized bribery, so there's probably not a legal issue here. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #49
And if she ever gets to the GE and he releases it, that would be her Romney 47% moment pdsimdars Apr 2016 #50
What would Trump gain from releasing the speeches, even if they contained a 47% moment, which they Hoyt Apr 2016 #57

brooklynite

(95,719 posts)
1. Trump isn't good at keeping secrets,,,
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

He'd have revealed it if he'd been at any of them.

Still, good conspiracy theory.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. Trump doesn't want to damage her yet - then he'd have to face Bernie!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie would be a disaster for Trump, as the polls make clear.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
3. Yah, and conversely ...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

... Trump would be really nice and gentle with the old man who has spent a lifetime calling himself a socialist.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
4. Bernie has a lifetime record to stand on and a Democrat and Republican Congress.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

I'll take that over all of Clinton's baggage any day of the week.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. What about her rights?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton is protected from any unauthorized use of her speeches as under intellectual property laws. Just like movie producers, book publishers or music distributers, she owns the right to her speeches and reserves the sole proprietorship to the income she derives from them. Speeches and lectures and are no different than any other creation of human intellect that the law protects from unauthorized use by others.

In your overweening zeal to strike HRC, keep in mind that your giddy fantasy of championing a fascist like Trump, one of the most s loathsome and disgusting Republicans we've ever seen in this country, involves illegal theft and stealing someone else's property. If this is the only way you can think of to eliminate the leading Democratic candidate, maybe this Party doesn't fit your needs.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. Hahaha! Yes, Trump will be so careful to protect her rights when he slips the
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

transcripts to his buddy at the National Inquirer or TMZ or Drudge. You don't think he'll put his name on the release, do you?

And what makes you think I like Trump? He's a pig. Which is exactly why I am warning of what's inevitable. He did it to Cruz already. Unfortunately for Trump, nobody could believe that women would sleep with Cruz.

procon

(15,805 posts)
8. You're pushing for Trump to do something illegal in hope of tearing down the Democratic frontrunner.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

You don't need to "like" Trump if you hate the leading Democrat enough to risk the White House just to hope she will lose. Great idea, yeah?

procon

(15,805 posts)
27. Read the replies you're getting.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

That word, 'embarrassing', you owned it when you came to DU to encourage a Republican to bring down the leading Democratic Presidential candidate, even if he has to do something criminal. Who thinks like that in a forum for Democrats!

Don't let your hatred of Hillary consume you to the point that you're considering a Trump victory as a viable option.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
28. Please recognize that it's pretty obvious when you twist my words.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

There's a world of difference between being terrified about what is inevitable, and being happy about it.

Hillary (with your blind support) is opening the door to Trump, not me. Think for just one moment what will really happen.

You can't possibly think I thought of this before Trump did. If Hillary does indeed get the nomination, she'd better prepare for some real hardball. Part of that preparation is to pre-emptively spin the assuredly damaging content of her speeches.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
52. It's getting easier actually
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:33 PM
Apr 2016

some of the posts here are so far to the right it totally creeps me out.

PFunk1

(185 posts)
42. No. They're highlighting a tactic that trump will do if Clinton becmes the canadate
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

In fact the reason why he hasn't already done so is because it's probably cost Clinton the nod. And he wants to run against her and not Sanders.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. I think you are on the wrong Party discussion Board
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:03 PM
Apr 2016

You are trying awfully hard to help Trump along.

Admit it, you not even really a Bernie supporter, are you!!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. Now you're in lalaland
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

Just check my record.

Bernie is the first real Democrat to make it this far in decades, and I'm not going to willingly let my lifelong party slip farther over brink into a merger with the Republicans. I'm sick of the corrupt one-party system.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
24. nope....I've never considered him a Dme
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

He trashed the Dem party for years and now pillages it for votes and air time.

Totally unimpressed with his tactics.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
29. You're probably not old enough to remember when Dems were to the left of Repubs.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

But it was during that era when the middle class was created and prospered. There is no reason on earth we can't do it again. It wasn't the people who moved away from the Dems; the Dems swerved to the right and away from their base. That's why huge numbers have abandoned the major parties and become independents.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
15. The disregard for the legal process evidenced by some Berniacs is disgusting.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

Each day reveals a new authoritarian streak with its basis either total ignorance or contempt for the government and its citizenry.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
26. You seem to have no clue what we're up against. Trump has no respect for the law or decency...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

...or me, a socialist, for that matter. It's got nothing to do with what I want. It has to do with what is inevitable.

You do know we can see you twisting our words, right? We're not meek little sheep in the Bernie camp.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
10. I think you're going to be disappointed about what's in those speeches. Many people
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

have come forward who were at those events and have said that Hillary said nothing controversial. Republicans have been attacking Hillary for years, nothing new. But she knows how to handle those attacks, and one way she does it is by letting her attackers dig a YUUUGE hole for themselves with their accusations. Then she comes out and shows that all their attacks were unfounded. e.g. the email "scandal." There's no "there" there. And there's no "there" here either. Sorry.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. She is not helping your case. It's pretty obvious she considers them extremely damaging.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Otherwise we'd have seen them already.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
14. then she would do herself a LOT of good by releasing them
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

people could see for themselves that she wasn't saying anything nefarious against US - the American people - and FOR the banks/WS. People would have more trust/faith in her and it would gain her many votes. So what would be the downside to that?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Your smily makes a clear and cogent argument.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

I appreciate the depth of thought and careful analysis that went into your reply.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
16. Dear Mahatma:
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Not always.

Sometimes it's sufficient to keep laughing.

I'm sure you experienced this many times in your life.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. Serious warning, not silly fantasy.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

She will lose any opportunity to preemptively spin this if Trump beats her to the punch.

I won't waste any more effort trying to engage you though; clearly your shell of denial is unbreakable.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
30. That's what you've got? Now it's too much trouble to even type a smily?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

That's just pathetic.

When you can't win on the merits, just resort to emptiness. Can't even call it 'ad hominem"; it's more like 'ad nauseum.'

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
18. yeah...just like he got all that damning birth cert info on Obama
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

all hot air and bravado, and never produced jack shit.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Except that we know the transcripts exist, and we already know a little of the content.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016
And so I say to you Goldman Sachs, I am on your side. Do not pay attention to the noise of the political season, I will always remember your support and put your priorities first, above all else. Thank you.’

Clinton received $675,000 for three speeches she made to Goldman Sachs in 2013.

“I remember feeling like she worked for us,” said one former Goldman Sachs employee who was at the event in Arizona in October of 2013. “Now she’s telling people what they want to hear so she can get elected. But back then it sounded to us like she was our employee.”


http://thegoodlordabove.com/articles/details/202

What Clinton said in her paid speeches
Recalled one attendee: 'She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.'

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-speeches-218969#ixzz46aGNeGYT
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procon

(15,805 posts)
43. Now wait a sec, let's unpack your angst...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

You're upset because of what you saw on a satirical website, and in another instance you're all steamed up by an anecdotal hearsay story from an unnamed source that cannot be validated. Really, that's what you're carrying on about?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
45. Chief source of worry is the candidate's behavior
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

If SHE wasn't worried, we'd all be laughing about how silly the transcript thing was.

But she hasn't released them despite the damage caused by not releasing them. Clearly, in her estimation, the damage due to releasing them would be even worse. If there is something really bad in there, better to have some time for the party to recover now, instead of being stuck with a Dem version of Trump in November.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
47. What damage? She won a landslide in NY and is poised to do so again next Tuesday.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary has stated that when EVERYBODY on both sides is required to release transcripts of speeches she will. How is it fair for her to be singled out and nobody else?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
48. It's about the independents. Left-leaners will stay home.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

Indies couldn't vote in NY, but they very much factor into the GE.

procon

(15,805 posts)
55. Don't assume that being an Independent voter is synonymous with supporting Bernie.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016

Like me, people often check that box because of the Party voting restrictions in their states. I'm a Independent voter, or aligned as California calls them, and while I was once totally open to either candidate, now I'm leaning toward Clinton in large part due to the hostile messaging and prevailing antagonistic attitudes of the Bernie Team. I still like Bernie himself, and even some of his ideas, but overall he just isn't a practical candidate given the current political atmosphere of Washington DC.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
56. I was referring to left-leaning indies, not centrist or right-leaning.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

And "practical" is what got the country into this class-stratified mess.

procon

(15,805 posts)
53. Most people are chuckling, or completely indifferent.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

The media isn't worried, the Republicans aren't worried, the voters aren't worried, the Democratic Party isn't worried about transcripts. The exception is Bernie and his fans who are under the impression that if they can just get someone to find a copy of those dang transcripts and publicise them, then Hillary will be out of contention and without any other competition, then Bernie will become the Democratic nominee by default.

That's the winning plan, yeah? But by advocating to release these speeches, it calls into question the sincerity of your true concern over the fate of the election.


lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
54. Dem voters in closed elections...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

...(i.e. those who have stayed in the party and tolerated the rightward swing) are a whole bunch easier to persuade than left-leaning indies, who will be absolutely required for Dem victory.

The media is pro-Hillary; they can play denial just as well as you can.

And you're right, Repubs aren't worried. They are thrilled. She's playing into their hands.

jalan48

(13,997 posts)
25. I think these transcripts would make her more popular with Republican voters.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

Republican's love Wall Street and big business.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
31. The transcripts won't be a big deal after Bernie is dispatched..
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

they hurt her on the left flank more than against Trump.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
33. Excuse me, but the right flank is Trump territory anyway; no need to fight for it.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

Ignoring the left is not a winning strategy.

Gothmog

(147,735 posts)
32. NO republican is calling for the release of these transcripts
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

Trump does not care about the transcripts and if for some reason Clinton was nice to the attendees, that would be a positive in the minds of Trump and the GOP candidates. The only one calling for the release of these transcripts are Sanders supporters

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
34. They don't want to damage her before the GE. She's the easier target and must be protected for now.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

Believe me, they have every intention of hurting her in the GE. No, repub voters aren't bothered by such things, hence the popularity of Trump himself. But releasing the transcripts (or carefully edited excerpts) will definitely encourage many Dems and left-leaning independents to sit this one out.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
44. Because Trump isn't trying to woo independents
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

He doesn't need them.

Come the GE, he won't care if they vote for him either............he just needs them to stay home and NOT vote for Hillary.

Given that scenario, when would be the best time for him to start harping on her Wall Street connections?

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
46. The transcripts are a total red herring
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

Everybody is talking about the Transcripts. You'd have to be pretty dim if you didn't know that they were full of praise for the fraudsters and offering total support for them and their criminal activities. They're not going to sit through anyone telling them how bad they are -- not at those prices.

The real story, however, which everyone is ignoring is that these were not speeches for hire. She's not entertaining. She's not that great a speaker. She has nothing to offer them.

Basically, the speeches were a money laundering scheme. If you have a bunch of money and want to give a big chunk to someone, you can't just give it to them. The IRS takes a dim view of that and taxes the bejeezus out of it. So, you "hire" them for some bullshit task and you "pay" them. Then, it's taxed as regular income. All the better if that person has a phony "foundation." They don't have to declare the money as income and you can take a tax deduction for it -- win-win.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
49. Yeah, but Citizen's United legalized bribery, so there's probably not a legal issue here.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

However, it most certainly is a political issue that will influence left-leaning indies.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
50. And if she ever gets to the GE and he releases it, that would be her Romney 47% moment
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

It would sink her.
One of the many scenarios.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
57. What would Trump gain from releasing the speeches, even if they contained a 47% moment, which they
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

don't?

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