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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:22 PM Apr 2016

"Sanders has a path to victory. His campaign is not but all done." Clinton campaign is offended



Sanders Campaign’s Commitment To Victory Irritates Media, Offends Clinton Campaign
by Kevin Gosztola
April21, 2016


Once again, for the umpteenth time in the Democratic presidential primary, there is a dominant narrative in the establishment news media that it is over for Bernie Sanders. News outlets have crunched the numbers, again, and after the loss to Hillary Clinton in New York, conventional wisdom is Sanders cannot win.

Such harping is presented as if it is a neutral perspective solely based on mathematics that is not driven by any influence the Clinton campaign may have over media institutions. However, the fact is there are 1,400 pledged delegates left to win in contests. Clinton has 1,442 pledged delegates while Sanders has 1,209 pledged delegates. It’s a lead of 233 pledged delegates, which he could still overcome in June, especially if he continues to surge in California—a state with 475 delegates to be won.

To put it more concisely, Sanders has a path to victory. His campaign is not all but done. It would be all but done if there weren’t over a thousand pledged delegates to be awarded. That is not the case.


Sanders and his campaign have no interest in playing the part of protest candidate, especially because talking like Sanders does not mean Clinton will follow through on the rhetoric she deploys to prevent her campaign from dwindling. It also is premature to grapple with how the movement around the campaign can continue after the campaign is over when it frankly is not over yet. The Sanders campaign is in the midst of a war for a nomination that will give voters a viable alternative to two oligarchs in November, and it is not about to quit now.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/21/sanders-campaigns-commitment-victory-irritates-media-offends-clinton-campaign
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"Sanders has a path to victory. His campaign is not but all done." Clinton campaign is offended (Original Post) imagine2015 Apr 2016 OP
We will fight tooth-and-nail until the convention. Maedhros Apr 2016 #1
By 'The Left', you mean the people voting for Clinton over Sanders, right? randome Apr 2016 #7
Damn, that bus is getting a lot of milage these days mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #12
CommonDreams? More like UncommonFantasies. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #2
Kevin Gosztola has an interesting history... SidDithers Apr 2016 #5
"Offended"? BECAUSE WE SAY SO! randome Apr 2016 #3
It seems you're unable to challenge anything written in the article. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #6
How does one challenge 'Clinton is offended' when it's completely made up bullshit? randome Apr 2016 #9
You don't know how to challenge the delegate math because it's factual! imagine2015 Apr 2016 #11
No, I'm not challenging the delegate math because it's true and STILL Sanders has no chance to win! randome Apr 2016 #13
Make up your mind! "Sanders has a chance" "Sanders has no chance to win" imagine2015 Apr 2016 #19
I'm being kind by equating his minuscule odds as 'having a chance'. randome Apr 2016 #23
Playing games with language Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #24
Sanders has no path to victory... SidDithers Apr 2016 #4
So you're unable to challenge anything written in the article. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #8
You know what they say in Russia ---- tough-shit-ski pdsimdars Apr 2016 #10
She is so very thin-skinned. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #14
The number that matters is 2,383 pat_k Apr 2016 #15
Amen. Onward! Donate! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #16
Your lesson for today from How Stuff Works ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #17
I like your very patriotic red, white and blue flaggy things in Hillary's name. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #20
You forgot to add the Vatican on there. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #21
It's a possibility, but not a high probability anigbrowl Apr 2016 #18
It's absurd that HRC & surrogates think an opponent Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #22
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
1. We will fight tooth-and-nail until the convention.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is behind by 230 delegates. That means he has to win 815 of the remaining 1400 delegates to match Hillary's total, which is 58%. Maybe not easy, but certainly achievable.

We need to set a precedent: if you are a corporate Third Way candidate, the left will make it as difficult, painful, and expensive as possible for you to win the nomination. We need to seriously discourage future corporate shills from polluting the Democratic Party nomination process.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. By 'The Left', you mean the people voting for Clinton over Sanders, right?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not sure how throwing the entire country under the bus would work.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
5. Kevin Gosztola has an interesting history...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

I remember the kerfunkle about him lying that he worked for Greenwald, to try to get an interview.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024655175

Sid

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. "Offended"? BECAUSE WE SAY SO!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016
It never stops, does it? When is OWS going to conquer the world? Same time as Sanders, I guess. Why bother with plans when you can just make shit up like in this article?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. How does one challenge 'Clinton is offended' when it's completely made up bullshit?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry, but when you start off with bullshit, people tend not to read further.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
11. You don't know how to challenge the delegate math because it's factual!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

You simply can't challenge or refute the article.

Isn't that right?
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. No, I'm not challenging the delegate math because it's true and STILL Sanders has no chance to win!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

How are we to 'argue' about math? No one is disputing it! Sure, Sanders has a chance. Just like I have a chance of flipping a coin and having it land on edge. If he pulls this out, I'm fine with it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. I'm being kind by equating his minuscule odds as 'having a chance'.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:24 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
24. Playing games with language
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:31 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders has a chance because there is a probability number associated with that chance (2%).

But, that doesn't mean it is probable. It's possible but not probable. It is highly improbable. It is extremely improbable.

But it's possible. True, that.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
8. So you're unable to challenge anything written in the article.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

That figures.

But don't let that stop you from posting nonsense.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
20. I like your very patriotic red, white and blue flaggy things in Hillary's name.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016
Just don't wave this flag!

LOL

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
18. It's a possibility, but not a high probability
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

I like my bets to pay off. One reason I don't gamble as a regular hobby is that it's very difficult to maintain awareness of the difference between the outcome you'd like to see and the outcome you should expect based on the available data. I'm fine with Sanders campaigning all the way to the convention and at the convention if he thinks he can convince enough superdelegates to vote his way or whatever, go for it. But his odds of success are low and getting lower.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
22. It's absurd that HRC & surrogates think an opponent
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

is just going to give up and go away because they say so.

I keep wondering, just who is it that they think they are? Why in the hell should Sanders & campaign do what they say? It's delusional, and that isn't a good attribute for a President.

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