2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Sanders has a path to victory. His campaign is not but all done." Clinton campaign is offended
Sanders Campaigns Commitment To Victory Irritates Media, Offends Clinton Campaign
by Kevin Gosztola
April21, 2016
Once again, for the umpteenth time in the Democratic presidential primary, there is a dominant narrative in the establishment news media that it is over for Bernie Sanders. News outlets have crunched the numbers, again, and after the loss to Hillary Clinton in New York, conventional wisdom is Sanders cannot win.
Such harping is presented as if it is a neutral perspective solely based on mathematics that is not driven by any influence the Clinton campaign may have over media institutions. However, the fact is there are 1,400 pledged delegates left to win in contests. Clinton has 1,442 pledged delegates while Sanders has 1,209 pledged delegates. Its a lead of 233 pledged delegates, which he could still overcome in June, especially if he continues to surge in Californiaa state with 475 delegates to be won.
To put it more concisely, Sanders has a path to victory. His campaign is not all but done. It would be all but done if there werent over a thousand pledged delegates to be awarded. That is not the case.
Sanders and his campaign have no interest in playing the part of protest candidate, especially because talking like Sanders does not mean Clinton will follow through on the rhetoric she deploys to prevent her campaign from dwindling. It also is premature to grapple with how the movement around the campaign can continue after the campaign is over when it frankly is not over yet. The Sanders campaign is in the midst of a war for a nomination that will give voters a viable alternative to two oligarchs in November, and it is not about to quit now.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/21/sanders-campaigns-commitment-victory-irritates-media-offends-clinton-campaign
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Bernie is behind by 230 delegates. That means he has to win 815 of the remaining 1400 delegates to match Hillary's total, which is 58%. Maybe not easy, but certainly achievable.
We need to set a precedent: if you are a corporate Third Way candidate, the left will make it as difficult, painful, and expensive as possible for you to win the nomination. We need to seriously discourage future corporate shills from polluting the Democratic Party nomination process.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'm not sure how throwing the entire country under the bus would work.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Hillary is not left.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I remember the kerfunkle about him lying that he worked for Greenwald, to try to get an interview.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024655175
Sid
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Sorry, but when you start off with bullshit, people tend not to read further.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)You simply can't challenge or refute the article.
Isn't that right?
randome
(34,845 posts)How are we to 'argue' about math? No one is disputing it! Sure, Sanders has a chance. Just like I have a chance of flipping a coin and having it land on edge. If he pulls this out, I'm fine with it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Sanders has a chance because there is a probability number associated with that chance (2%).
But, that doesn't mean it is probable. It's possible but not probable. It is highly improbable. It is extremely improbable.
But it's possible. True, that.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)He's done. He was done on March 15.
Sid
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)That figures.
But don't let that stop you from posting nonsense.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Consider this (it gets interesting as you get deeper into it):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1798895
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)LOL
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Oh wait, that's the other candidate.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I like my bets to pay off. One reason I don't gamble as a regular hobby is that it's very difficult to maintain awareness of the difference between the outcome you'd like to see and the outcome you should expect based on the available data. I'm fine with Sanders campaigning all the way to the convention and at the convention if he thinks he can convince enough superdelegates to vote his way or whatever, go for it. But his odds of success are low and getting lower.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)is just going to give up and go away because they say so.
I keep wondering, just who is it that they think they are? Why in the hell should Sanders & campaign do what they say? It's delusional, and that isn't a good attribute for a President.