2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDaily Kos: Hillary's Win May Not Be All That Clear After All
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/19/1517732/-Hillary-s-Win-May-Not-Be-All-That-Clear-After-All-3-2-Million-New-Yorks-Lost-Their-Voting-RightsFirst, Florida, then Ohio, then Nevada, Arizona, and now New York Will be added to the legacy list of thousands of voters, No MILLIONS of voters, not able to vote due to voter purges in New York.
This was once considered to be Republican dirty tricks...I guess the Democrats now have the same problem as well, except this time it was used on their own party.
The number that I wrote about the 126,000 people was from only 1 (ONE) county, the rest of the state had the same problems, totaling 3.2 Million Voters or 27% of the voting rolls...
LexVegas
(6,114 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)You clearly have a great deal of respect for voters.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)It's a conspiracy. Millions of votes were faked. Bernie really won. You're totally right.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts).. to explain their failures.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)That FOIA thing; did she feel she was above the law or was she that ignorant or just slick? What the fuck was she thinking?!
SOS Clinton and her Clinton Foundation quid pro quo.
That's no fucking CT talk. It's walking and talking just like a damn duck.
Too bad our media isn't interested in REAL journalism these days because it's one outrageous set of coincidental circumstances that share one common denominator.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and she hasn't stopped.
She obviously knows that she can't win unless she rigs it, in nearly every state.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)I believe he is a very astute politician and he has considered all avenues. I also believe his supporters are awaiting some indication as to what he will do. I do not accept the results of rigged elections. Just as George W Bush was a fraudulent 8 year presidency, Hillary is a fraudulent candidate.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Repeating this fifty times a day every damned day is not useful.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Posts Hidden by Jury (last 90 days)
Posts hidden by Jury: 9
Total posts: 1592
Percentage of posts hidden: 0.57%
Astonishingly prolific poster and offender, heh?
What say we try to avoid double standards.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Please feel free to alert this post. I'm collecting them.
brush
(53,924 posts)Sanders voters or Clinton voters.
I heard people talk about going to vote only to find they were no longer on the voter list. I've live and voted in New York, Nevada and California. I've always known that I can't skip too many elections if I want to keep my registration current.
I wonder if that is part of the problem, not to mention the independents trying to vote for Sanders in a closed primary.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)brush
(53,924 posts)would also be deleted?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I cant recall all the details and cant use my computer to pull up old links.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)the other side's "confidential" data. The BERNIE side reported it multiple times; the HILLARY side did not. The BERNIE side began testing and documenting -- when they TURNED THAT IN, they were accused of having CHEATED and DENIED ACCESS UNTIL THEY SUED.
The logic of having TURNED THE EVIDENCE AGAINST THEMSELVES IN TO PROVE THEIR WAS A BREACH was "flipped" in the Hillary supporter camp as "look, they cheated because they could see the data".
I do not believe that lawsuit was dropped, but I would bet that any records validating downloads of "Bernie" information by "not Bernie people" was cleaned up.
An interesting test would be for the Bernie people to compare who they contacted (verified Registered Democrats, per the DNC last summer) versus "proven recently purged voters".
unc70
(6,121 posts)If one is willing to pay, you can have enormous number of details about someone from: voter roles and voter history, DMV, tax records, FEC donations, Post Office, public records, magazine subscriptions, credit reporting companies, online tracking, ad servers, etc.
A selective purge could be very effective with little effort. FL was using some of these techniques. Remember that you don't want to be 100% accurate, that would be too obvious. Just a few extra here, there, and everywhere.
BTW the DU site includes considerable tracking facilities, much of it associated with serving ads. In the industry, this is called web analytics. In the most aggressive versions, they are tracking key clicks and key presses. In those cases, they look identical to spyware and other malware.
Bottom line, it's all out there on the net. BTW Google probably knows the most about everyone. They are everywhere.
BTW the polling companies that supply the lists of "random" phone numbers probably know what the results will be for a given number before it is called.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)party: it morphs into a shadow of the former Republican Party.
Debbie, your objectives are showing. All hail the Goldwater Gril!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)for example, I understand that an entire building of residents was disenfranchised(?). I bet the purge did not touch the more affluent sections of Brooklyn. Bet on it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)need to hang their hat on some conspiracy for why their candidate can't get the lead in popular vote or pledged delegates. So off to conspiracy theory land where it could be divined exactly which buildings and neighborhoods would vote for Bernie (perhaps the stupidest argument I've heard to date). Whatever.
JSup
(740 posts)...they don't even wait for proof or an investigation to conclude before they start saying it happened just like they think it did. Speculation stated as fact is always disturbing.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They just can't accept that not everybody thinks the way they do. It's juvenile behavior that gets under my skin more than it really should.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Although I'm seeing evidence of 4 and 5 here at DU. It's a process.
Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)Voter rolls are purged regularly of voters who have died, moved, or missed enough elections. That is by law. Votes are "suppressed" to prevent fraud. The "suppression" is not done by the state of NY, it is a county issue.
It would be a unimaginably stupid campaign that worked to remove it's own voters from the rolls. Once they are "suppressed", they have to re-register to vote in the general election. Exit polls showed that more than 80% of Democrats would vote for either candidate in the general election.
The only advantage to be gained by either Hillary or Bernie is a controversy, to be used in dishonest fund raising and advertising campaigns.
brush
(53,924 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Only a few social issues left to go before they're in complete agreement.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I am just getting my general election talking points down...
Hillarians, am I doing it right?
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Even though caucuses suppress the vote far worse than any closed primary ever could. Sanders supporters should take their obvious hypocrisy and sit on it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)this point.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Explains why after 2004 NOTHING real got done.
Explains why after 2008 NOTHING real got done.
Explains why after 2012 NOTHING real got done.
Except for the super-rich who became much, much richer.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I wonder why that could be?