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MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:41 PM Oct 2012

Purple Poll: 12 "swing" states: Obama 47, Romney 45.

In just Ohio, Obama 46-44

Colorado, Obama 47-46

Virginia, 47-47 tie

The 12 states are Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida.


These numbers are not nearly as good as I thought they would be, because I think he should be up by good margins in at least NM, PA, and MN.

http://www.purplestrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/October_v7.pdf

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Purple Poll: 12 "swing" states: Obama 47, Romney 45. (Original Post) MadBadger Oct 2012 OP
He has a huge lead in Ohio among early voters +26 WI_DEM Oct 2012 #1
Yeah OH is insurmountable at this point Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #4
For what it's worth... Dr Claw Oct 2012 #16
Welcome!! WI_DEM Oct 2012 #20
This is as good as Purple gets. Remember Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #2
I Give These Results A 7 For Us DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #3
Purple Strategies is a Republican-leaning pollster... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #5
I'm Disappointed In Steve McMahon Then. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #6
That's why he broke the news and not Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #9
Disagree MadBadger Oct 2012 #8
But their polls have been right leaning all year. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #12
What do you define as right leaning? MadBadger Oct 2012 #15
If Obama really is only ahead by 2 points--at only 47% geek tragedy Oct 2012 #23
Yeah DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #14
Let's put it this way: Rasmussen has Romney ahead by 4% in CO Welcome_hubby Oct 2012 #7
Out of the founding partners, 3 are dems, 2 repubs MadBadger Oct 2012 #10
House effect. They produce more R-friendly results than the average pollster. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #19
Because their polling has consistently been soft... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #29
I think two arguments are being made MadBadger Oct 2012 #31
From a right wing shill site desperately trying to appear bipartisan RomneyLies Oct 2012 #11
Not bad because it shows only 2 percent O stop since Sept VirginiaTarheel Oct 2012 #13
Looks like good news to me TexasCPA Oct 2012 #17
Purple Strategies leans R. This is not a good poll, since it includes three states that should be geek tragedy Oct 2012 #18
actually it's results are not all that different than most other polls. WI_DEM Oct 2012 #22
Obama should be up a lot more than +2 if you add PA, MN, and NM into the mix. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #24
Maybe their top line poll is off, but I think the State polls are very believable MadBadger Oct 2012 #26
They seem believable, but what about the state results they didn't disclose? nt geek tragedy Oct 2012 #27
They did three separate polls in those states MadBadger Oct 2012 #32
I think CNN"s poll says only 4% are undecided in OHIO TroyD Oct 2012 #37
Florida is going to skew the sample TexasCPA Oct 2012 #25
Their polling has been pretty steady and not very bullish on Obama average 2-4 pt lead n/t Blaukraut Oct 2012 #21
bad compared to what i heard last night mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #28
Meh woolldog Oct 2012 #30
OH, CO, AND VA were oversampled TexasCPA Oct 2012 #33
This poll is good for Obama. Let me break it down. Jennicut Oct 2012 #34
The state polls are better than the overall poll. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #35
The overall poll is not significant in terms of where each state is Jennicut Oct 2012 #36
CO, OH, and VA TroyD Oct 2012 #38
These guys Robopoll folks.. The real #'s are better for Obama... smorkingapple Oct 2012 #39

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
1. He has a huge lead in Ohio among early voters +26
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:45 PM
Oct 2012

Ohio (Obama +2): Our result in Ohio shows a
small move in Governor Romney’s direction
over the last month. Today, President Obama
leads 46% to 44%, down from a 4-point lead in
September. President Obama has a strong lead
among early voters: 26% of Ohio voters say they
have already voted, and he leads by 26 points
among that group. Romney holds a 2-point lead
among independents in the s tate.

Dr Claw

(51 posts)
16. For what it's worth...
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:59 PM
Oct 2012

(occasional lurker, new poster)

...I voted early in Cuyahoga County. Last night, after 5:30 PM, when I arrived there, there were a very good amount of people in there. A long line of people ahead of me and behind me. Young and old, voting.

I fully expect Cuyahoga (which is overwhelmingly "Obama Country", aside from "last stand" locales like Solon) to go to Obama. I just hope the rest of Ohio does what's right. I was just glad to see so many people voting early.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
2. This is as good as Purple gets. Remember
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:45 PM
Oct 2012

they have been slightly right leaning. So consider these conservative numbers.

I think it's great news given the pollster.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. I Give These Results A 7 For Us
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:46 PM
Oct 2012

Didn't live up to the hype. Perhaps it caught Romney at the peak of his momentum that has since abated and will abate some more.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
15. What do you define as right leaning?
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:54 PM
Oct 2012

They have Obama in the lead still. And there have been no elections yet. How do you know its right leaning?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. If Obama really is only ahead by 2 points--at only 47%
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:07 PM
Oct 2012

in the nine swing states plus Minnesota, New Mexico, and Pennsylvania, we're in bad shape.

Assume that he's only up 5 points in the safe states, that means:

PA: O+5
NM: O+5
MN: O+5
OH: O+2
CO: O+1
VA: Tied

That means Romney is probably ahead in all the others combined, which includes Iowa, Wisconsin, Nevada, FL, NC, NH.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. Yeah
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oct 2012

I suspect Purple Strategies exists more for businesses and groups that want to affect legislation than it does for individual candidates. If a group or business wants to affect legislation it makes more sense to seek the help of a bipartisan organization.

 

Welcome_hubby

(312 posts)
7. Let's put it this way: Rasmussen has Romney ahead by 4% in CO
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:47 PM
Oct 2012

This means he's full of shit.

Rasmussen also has Ohio a tie and Romney ahead in VA by 2%, so this Purple Poll (which leans right, by the way) confirms Rasmussen's right-wing bias.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
10. Out of the founding partners, 3 are dems, 2 repubs
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:50 PM
Oct 2012

Where does this Right leaning polling thing come from?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. House effect. They produce more R-friendly results than the average pollster.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:04 PM
Oct 2012

This is not a good poll result--shows Obama only at 46% in Ohio and considering that 3 states--MN, NM and PA--on that list are safe Obama states, to be up by only 2 indicates big deficits somewhere else--most likely FL and NC.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
29. Because their polling has consistently been soft...
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:29 PM
Oct 2012

I don't see how having three Democrats as partners means squat. Baydoun/Foster is a Democratic group and has Obama and Romney tied 47-47 in Michigan ... while they also had Romney up 15 in Florida back in August.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Purple Strategies leans R. This is not a good poll, since it includes three states that should be
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:02 PM
Oct 2012

safe for us.

They must have found Romney way ahead in FL and NC.

Meh.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. Obama should be up a lot more than +2 if you add PA, MN, and NM into the mix.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:12 PM
Oct 2012

They also have way too many undecideds. According to their OH poll, 26% have already voted, but 10% are undecided.

That means that something like 15% of those who have yet to vote are undecided. I don't buy that.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
32. They did three separate polls in those states
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:42 PM
Oct 2012

So those individual polls are not related to the main 12 state poll.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
37. I think CNN"s poll says only 4% are undecided in OHIO
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:32 PM
Oct 2012

Based on what I saw on my T.V. Screen a little while ago.

TexasCPA

(527 posts)
25. Florida is going to skew the sample
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:14 PM
Oct 2012

Based upon 2008 votes, here is what the sample should look like:

5.93% CO
20.73% FL
3.80% IA
7.19% MN
2.39% NV
1.76% NH
2.05% NM
10.66% NC
14.10% OH
14.82% PA
9.20% VA
7.37% WI

I can throw these number in to come up with an Obama +2%.

1.00% CO
-1.00% FL
2.00% IA
8.00% MN
4.00% NV
2.00% NH
8.00% NM
-1.00% NC
2.00% OH
5.00% PA
0.00% VA
3.00% WI

TexasCPA

(527 posts)
33. OH, CO, AND VA were oversampled
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:08 PM
Oct 2012

"N size=1000 likely voters, margin of error +/-3.1. CO, OH, and VA have been oversampled to N=600 per state, margin of error +/-4.0."

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
34. This poll is good for Obama. Let me break it down.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:27 PM
Oct 2012

Purple Strategies polled 1000 people in 12 states for the overall poll. For the OH, VA, and CO polls they polled 600 people per state. Basically, 1,000 people in 12 states is an extremely small sample. It is about 83 people per each of the 12 states. It is more of a national poll of people from the 12 states then a true representation of each state. Don't worry about how much each state would work out to be because the sample size is simply too small for that. Not enough people from each state were polled. Therefore, to be up 2 points is just fine. Obama was up 5 points in September. The other 3 states have enough people sampled to give a clearer picture.

As for the other 3 polls, Purple Strategies has always shown very good results for Romney.

OH as plus 2 for Obama in this right leaning poll and plus 2 for Obama in right leaning ARG are very bad for Romney. CNN has it plus 4 in OH today. Romney is not going to win Ohio with this many days left.

CO and VA should not even be in play for Obama in this right leaning poll if Romney is going to win WI, IA, OH, or NV. Mittens would need to be up in those states to be winning the other states too. He is not. Mitt is in trouble in the electoral college and he knows it. Ryan is not in the redstates just for money. He is distancing himself from Mittens.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
35. The state polls are better than the overall poll.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:28 PM
Oct 2012

Actually, I like the tie in Virginia a lot more than the 46-44 lead in Ohio.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
36. The overall poll is not significant in terms of where each state is
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oct 2012

among those 12 states. You couldn't break it down that way because 83 people per state is not enough to determine that. It basically tells us that Obama is not behind among the 1,000 people spread across those 12 states. That is bad for Mittens. He needs to be ahead in CO, VA, NV, IA, WI, etc.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
38. CO, OH, and VA
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 08:14 PM
Oct 2012

Why did they only release actual numbers for 3 states?

In the past they have released numbers for more states than that, yes?

Why no numbers for IO, NV, NH, FL etc?

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