Hillary or Bust > Bernie or Bust?

[geek tragedy]

From first round of NY Exit polls:

4/19/16, 5:45 PM
NY Dems: If XXX is nominee..

Clinton
Definitely vote for: 65%
Probably vote for: 20
Won't vote for: 13

Sanders
Def: 59%
Prob: 21
Won't: 18

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https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/722541691333451777?refsrc=email&s=11

[MADem]

1. Some Sanders supporters are Paulbots/Libertarians. Still others have Trump as Option 2.

Not all Sanders supporters are liberals.

The "leave my guns alone" crowd cross the spectrum.

Samples:


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/is-there-a-libertarian-case-for-bernie-sanders.html



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton

[geek tragedy]

3. It's notable that for all of the blackmail that's been delivered, Hillary is the one better able to

unify the party.

[hill2016]

5. this is New York

pretty sure you will see flipped numbers in Vermont

[geek tragedy]

6. Losing Vermont in the general is not a thought that keeps me up at night nt

[Marr]

10. Some Hillary supporters are devil worshippers.

"Some" is almost a useless word.

[MADem]

11. It''s not a "useless word" when I provide links that quantify it. Links you obviously didn't read.

[Marr]

14. Actually, I did waste several minutes of my life reading those links.

Again-- pointless in the context you provided. Yes, there are 'some' who fit the description you mention. So? There are 'some' who fit just about any description you care to put up.

There was no information there saying any sizable proportion of Sanders supporters fit either of your descriptors-- just 'some'.

[MADem]

32. Now you're arguing about the meaning of the word "some."

Give it up. You're carping, and it shows.

[ljm2002]

29. So there are 13% "Bernie or bust" voters...

...and 18% "Hillary or bust" voters...

and your response is to call the "Bernie or bust" voters Paulbots, Libertarians, or Trump supporters. With nary a word about the "Hillary or bust" voters.

Not that I'm surprised.

So what is your explanation for the "Hillary or bust" voters? What horrible secrets are they hiding about their actual affiliation, that they won't vote for the Democratic nominee if it isn't Hillary?

[MADem]

31. What's the MOE on that "poll?"

Probably a lot of the HRC or Bust sentiment has to do with a lot of the trashing and thrashing (Whore, Throwing Money at HRC, etc) that Sanders' supporters have been doing of late.

I haven't seen the HRC crew push back against that ugliness--this is the first suggestion that they've had enough of the insults.

[ljm2002]

33. Got it...

...if a Bernie supporter says they will not vote for the other D candidate, they are disloyal and ruining the Democratic Party; while if a Hillary supporter says they will not vote for the other D candidate, they are totally justified.

Garbage.

[MADem]

34. That's not an MOE. nt

[ljm2002]

36. Nonresponsive garbage. n/t

[MADem]

37. You don't know what an MOE is, do you?

[ljm2002]

38. Your first response to the OP...

...was your assessment of the "Bernie or bust" voters. Which certainly suggests that you put some weight on that poll. Yet, when challenged that there is an even higher percentage of "Hillary or bust" voters, you suddenly are questioning the poll's MOE.

Listen, genius. If you are going to use poll results to make your case, you cannot then turn around and say the poll is invalid with a great big MOE. If that was so important to you, you would have either (a) pointed out the possible MOE thing to the OP, or (b) refrained from responding.

Done here.

TTFN

[MADem]

39. You're the one doing all the suggesting. What's the MOE?

If it's large, a difference between thirteen and eighteen percent can be pretty much meaningless.



And if you're going to insult people with comments like "Listen genius" you won't last here very much longer. There's a low tolerance for that kind of assholishness of late and hopefully, once this primary is concluded, the boom will be lowered against that kind of childish, churlish personal invective.

More to the point, it would help if you knew what a damn MOE was before you started tossing around those sorts of comments. It's obvious you didn't have a doggone clue.

Of course you're "done here." You were done before you even started. "TTFN."

[davidn3600]

35. If they are sick of insults now....they haven't seen nothing yet

Against Trump, the mudslinging might be bad enough to turn everyone off to politics.

[dubyadiprecession]

2. BS seems to have a black cloud following him around these days...

He used to do very well in western caucus states with low delegate counts.

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4. he's got Rubiomentum nt

[dchill]

7. In NY, to be sure.

[Electric Monk]

8. So now, from your perspective, it's a good thing, while when it was BernieBros it was just awful.

Ok, thanks for the clarification

[geek tragedy]

9. no, the point being that the Bernie or Bust crap was always childish nonsense.

as was the talk that only St. Bernard can bring the party together

[Electric Monk]

12. So isn't your OP here even more childish nonsense then? But it's ok, because because. Got it. nt

[geek tragedy]

21. well, no, because I think Hillary or Bust would be dumb as hell. nt

[longship]

30. Do you mean like the Bernie Vatican rubbish from Hillary supporters?

Or do you mean a little finch in OR putting Hillary supporters on their fainting couches? Or, her supporters ever clamoring for Bernie to give up, just like the Wicked Witch of the West (no offense intended other than the OZ metaphor). Do you mean childishness like that?

And I have never been either PUMA or Bernie or bust. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, but it will be the most difficult vote of my 68 years if Hillary Clinton gets the nod. The only thing that might save her is that all the GOP candidates are mad as hatters.

You should pray that it does not come to that! Her negatives are in the cellar, especially with independents. In case one isn't paying attention, nobody wins the Oval Office without independents.

I recommend that you vote for Bernie.

[sadoldgirl]

13. Don't forget these are just dems,

since the Indies are not allowed to vote.
So, if Bernie normally gets 60% of their support
in comparison to HRC's 30-35%, you will see a
different picture.

I predicted for a long time that 12-15% of dems
would not vote for her, and that is just about
right with these preliminary results.

[polichick]

15. Important point.

[geek tragedy]

16. about 15-20% of these respondents self-identify as Independents even though they're registered as

Democrats.

Also, some independents are really not going to dig the socialism thing. They don't go on Twitter or stuff like that, but they are out there, and when they start hearing about how he's going to raise their taxes, look out.

[B Calm]

17. You forgot to include a link to back that up.

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18. edited to include! nt

[B Calm]

19. That is a stupid link to a Twitter account, LOL

[geek tragedy]

20. Oh dear lord. Do you know who that Twitter account belongs to?

Welcome to reality. A lot of Democrats are just not that into your candidate.

[B Calm]

22. Yes, but I would like a real poll.

[geek tragedy]

23. these are preliminary exit polls. this is the crap we talk about until the final adjusted ones

come out and we start seeing results.

[B Calm]

24. So this is all crap, got it!

[hellofromreddit]

25. Why do Hillary voters want a Trump/Cruz president?

Shoe, other foot, etc.

[geek tragedy]

26. we don't. our candidate will be the nominee, and we expect everyone to act as

though their main concern is getting a Democrat instead of a Republican into the White House.

[basselope]

27. That only accounts for the tiny % of the population that is democratic.

[longship]

28. Democrats or bust. nt