Bernie is winning this election

[RobertEarl]

An amazing spectacle in modern politics and we have a front row seat.

Bernie has been beat up, put down, called every dirty name in the book and yet here he is posed to upset the establishment in the Empire state!!

That's how he has already won. And We, the People, are winners. We have the establishment on the edge about to send them to their end. The Reagan revolution is dead and the People's revolution is just beginning.

After this date we will finally begin to see real reform in the voting system, thanks to the Bernie revolution.

Thanks to the Bernie revolution young people are inspired to join politics.

Thanks to the Bernie revolution real change is coming to the establishment and a new establishment, one that is inclusive and open, is being birthed.

Win or lose tonight, the world is changing and the old guard is having the last few nails driven into their coffin.

[uponit7771]

1. "we'll see" regarding supporting down ballot tickets

[AgingAmerican]

25. The empire strikes back!

[UMTerp01]

2. I agree

Definitely a major shift within the Democratic party win or lose for Bernie Sanders and its a win if he wins the nomination or not.

[RobertEarl]

35. Yep

We are on a roll. Just a month ago we were down by 20 points in NY.

[SCantiGOP]

43. You do know

that you can delete a post if you put something up that turns out to be completely wrong?

[polichick]

3. The corporate party with two faces is being outed for the scam it is...

Yes, this "revolution" is just beginning - with Occupy, BLM, Sanders, us - but whether the people will be served by Dems and Republicans in the future, or by an entirely different organization, remains to be seen.

[Gothmog]

4. How do you define winning?

Sanders is trailing by 2.4 million in the popular vote and by 200+ pledged delegates. How does being behind with no chance of catching up equal winning?

I like living in the real world. Math is a good thing and should not be scared of math

[Stuckinthebush]

5. Shhhh

Just let it go. Stage 1

[mindwalker_i]

9. The OP was pretty clear about what he was defining as winning

It would be fair to say he's partially winning, partially losing. He's getting his message out and causing people to rethink a lot of stuff, however corruption will likely stay in charge of the Democratic (D) party.

[rhett o rick]

20. We aren't afraid of math. We are afraid that your friends the Wealth 1% will continue

looting the 99%. We are afraid that the Prisons For Profits will continue to fill with more and more minorities. We are afraid that Clinton, the clear favorite of Richard Perle and the neocons will send more of our families to die for American Exceptionalism. We are afraid that we will watch our infrastructure continue to crumble as Clinton's friends avoid paying taxes.

Be smug while you can, siding with the Wealthy, but sooner of later we will throw out the corrupt culture that Clinton represents.

[Chan790]

36. Already are.

We have not only substantially moved how Clinton has campaigned...we've already moved how she will be forced to govern if she does not want to be forced into an LBJ-like "If nominated I will not run. (for reelection)" declaration in 4 years. She may win the nomination...we have won the party.

(...if she wins the nomination. I still expect her candidacy to implode and for her to be out by the convention regardless how many primaries and delegates she wins.)

[pangaia]

26. My god !! You don't get it at all, do you !!! You really don't.. WOW!!!

Fucking unbelieeeeevable.

[Mike__M]

6. Does it seem like

Sanders supporters are more likely to take the long view, while Clinton supporters tend to take a short term view of this?
Kind of like a corporate board that looks to pleasing the shareholders' immediate demands rather than building a lasting institution.

[RobertEarl]

14. That's a good take, Mike

Part of it is "That's the way it's always been: Hillary"

It is conservatism at its core and is short sighted and neglectful of the new day and the new way. Theirs is a 'get off my lawn' type mindset that sees the People as competition rather than a union meant for the general welfare.

[pangaia]

29. ""That's the way it's always been: Hillary" "

THAT is really. really good.

I just may "share' that, if you don't mind..

[Punkingal]

15. Yes, yes, yes!

[rhett o rick]

24. It's the capitalistic end-game. The Clinton's and Weathy are trying to get as much gold as

they can before the goose dies. Those in poverty are of no concern.

[jwirr]

7. Much has already started the change. I am old and will

follow as long as I can but I am happy to know that many of you are going to carry on. This movement is the last best hope.

[dubyadiprecession]

8. BS is losing his homestate to Hillary....

The empire state is not feeling the bern.

[YouDig]

10. It's looking like Hillary is going to win NY which will basically

lock up the nomination for her.

[ridgenvalley]

11. Dear god, I hope you're right

and all this effort doesn't just become a brief footnote in future history books. Howard Zinn opened my eyes to how many times populist movements have tried and failed.

"Win or lose tonight, the world is changing and the old guard is having the last few nails driven into their coffin." For the sake of my kids and grandkids, I hope so!

[RobertEarl]

19. Hope and Change for Real this time

I have never seen such an uprising and clear direction. The world is changing and with People like us working together thru thick and thin, we will see success in forming a more perfect union.

We do this for a Future we can believe in. We simply must ensure our kids look at us with respect instead of fear and neglect.

[ridgenvalley]

28. +1000 RobertEarl, +1000.

[Chan790]

37. It's dependent on what we all do tomorrow & next week & next month & next year & in 2018 & 2020.

This movement will fail if too many of us throw our hands up following any Clinton win and go back to feeling unrepresented. Doing that lets Clinton and her friends off the hook. They need to continue to feel the fire at their heels or else they will fall back into the sellouts they've always been.

If Clinton wins NY and this is the end: tomorrow you (everybody) needs to get up and find out how to join their local party organization. Those organizations choose who represents them at the state level. The state party chooses the representatives to the DNC. The President may choose the DNC chair when a Democrat is in the White House...but it's with the consent of the governed. We as the people who choose the people who choose the people that have to consent to Hillary's choice have the power to make that consent decision a rejection of her candidate (who will almost certainly be someone who thinks like she does) and a nomination of someone who represents us.

We're the people who have the power in this party, if we choose to exercise it rather than give in. We're the ones that can force the platform we want upon Hillary. We're the ones steering the ship.

Unlike Billy Joel...we did start the fire. It's up to us to keep stoking it too. Make it rage and we can burn all Hillary's neoliberal ideals to cinders and turn her center-right dreams to ashes in her grasp.

[kentuck]

12. I think you may be right.

The revolution has begun. We just do not know where it is at the present time? If the numbers are doubled by next election, it could be a very strong movement.

[Jack Bone]

13. the old road is rapidly aging...

please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand...

[jillan]

18. I love that you posted that song! That's my Bernie song too :)

I've listened to it over and over throughout the months.

Still like Dylan the best tho.

[jillan]

16. I called NY for 2.5 hrs - Bernie has A LOT of support in NY :) Even if she wins, I predict it will

very close.

[RobertEarl]

23. Bernie can't win

He can't raise money. Blah, blah, blah.

_________________________________

Seems we have done the impossible?

The super delegates will decide who gets the nomination. They see us rising. They will follow. Bernie will win the nomination at the convention.

[appalachiablue]

17. The Progressive Movement Has Begun, Is Strong & Will Prevail! ~Young Liberals Show Me Your Fire

~ AMERICANS UNITED, FOR A FUTURE TO BELIEVE IN ~

[IamMab]

21. Just so you know, tonight will definitely be "or lose" for Bernie. Moral victories = no delegates.

[Chan790]

38. NY, like every other state is a proportional delegate state...

Even in a loss, we can get plenty of delegates. Clinton has to win big to actually win anything other than some breathing room.

so...it's not "or lose." it's what it's always been...bloodsport that is probably going to the convention where we have every intention of making the win so bloody Clinton will wish she lost...or she will simply step aside.

[Uncle Joe]

22. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, RobertEarl.

[RandySF]

27. Denial is not a river in Egypt :)

[BreakfastClub]

30. Hillary has been beaten up, put down, called every dirty name in the book and yet

here she is, winning NY. She's been attacked for over 20 years. There's your revolution.

[longship]

34. Not enough dirty names.

We need MOAR of them. Her record is clear. Her sleazy finances, not so much.

Then, there are. Her followers...

People need to be reminded about the lunacy about that little finch in Portland, OR that put Hillary supporters all on their fainting couches. Then, the utterly despicable and blatant lies Hillary and her supporters flooded the Internet with about Bernie's Vatican trip. Everything posted by Hillary followers was demonstrably wrong, made up shit. All of it!

Is that how one wants to win a nomination? Especially a candidate who has the lowest approval rating in both parties and who likely loses to her GOP opponents because she cannot carry independent voters when her only opponent (Bernie) does?

Sad trombones for us all, huh? At least you get to trumpet your Third Way candidate's nomination. And then we all get to suffer through four years of Trump or Cruz. But at least the socialist did not get to win, the only Dem candidate who could win.

[italiangirl]

31. From your lips

to God's ears. I hope, I hope, I hope.

[RobertEarl]

41. I'm Feeling the Bern!

n/t

[sorechasm]

32. As long as Hillary speaks with Bernie's tongue, he is winning.

If she wins, I'm afraid those liberal pledges will have become a distant memory.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

33. All Americans should be grateful to Bernie. Unless you are in the one percent, and most people

here are not, Bernie is doing you a favor or your kids and grand kids.

He may not have been the one who ultimately pushed us into the proper, fair system but he will be credited for being a part of that which started it.

The trick will be how self destructive people are if they dont get the whole thing the first time.

[Chan790]

39. As a 1%er, I'm grateful for Bernie.

All Clinton has ever promised me is more of the policies that have padded my too-fat bank account, my too-fat ass and the creeping inevitability that someday I'm going to wake up to an allegorical guillotine. (and hopefully not a real one.)

[zappaman]

40. Yup, he's ahead in delegates AND actual votes!

Winning!

[stopwastingmymoney]

42. I've been mulling this over for awhile now

That the party leadership is watching what's happening here and they're not stupid

The natural conclusion is that they can no longer ignore the progressive wing of the party

I like where this is going

Remember that delegates at the convention equals input to the party platform

[FlatBaroque]

45. First time ever, proud to be a member of a party - Berniecrats!