The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

[MineralMan]

It will be Twittered, instead.

So it seems to me. If we could vote on Twitter, instead of for real, who knows what might happen...

[polly7]

1. What have you got against social media?

Its popularity??

[MineralMan]

5. Who says I have anything against social media?

I take it as seriously as it deserves at all times.

[kstewart33]

7. MMan, that is a GREAT comeback.

Very well said.

[polly7]

8. As 'you' believe it deserves.

For many, it's the only means of getting news and for communicating that they have.

[MineralMan]

11. I see. So, you see social media as a news source?

That's interesting. Just let me go look at my Facebook feed and find out what's happening in the world...

I just learned that someone's Facebook identity was stolen and that I shouldn't pay any attention to that person's posts. Now, that's news!

Anyone with a device capable of accessing social media venues also has access to news media websites. Sorry.

[polly7]

14. Absolutely!

I don't trust one single word from MSM sources. I go to independent sites I do trust, then verify it ........ quite often using social media - brilliant people on twitter and FB sites that I follow and who post more information and links than I could find on my own in a week. Hundreds discuss, disseminate it and either prove or disprove it. Just like we do here. I appreciate that.

What trustworthy news media websites are these stupid social media rubes supposed to limit themselves to and get their information from, iyo? Do you have a list?

[MineralMan]

18. Well, that explains a lot.

I'll keep that in mind when I read your posts. Thanks for letting me know.

[polly7]

20. You're welcome!

I would hate to be stuck in the past ...... but that explains your posts!

And ........... no list?

[Hortensis]

31. Lol. Polly, are you sure, absolutely sure,

that you haven't found a way to cut all information you don't like out of your life? Just a thought... You wouldn't exactly be alone in this.

Personally, I don't see the appeal of life as a series of nasty shocks, unforeseen disasters, and disappointments.

[polly7]

33. Wtf?

No, I just don't fall for bullshit propaganda anymore and search out the truth when I hear it.

Is that a problem for you?

Seems to be. Too bad.

[Hortensis]

41. I'll take that as meaning it was a new unpleasant idea.

[polly7]

42. Your post was certainly unpleasant and completely fucking strange. nt.

[Hortensis]

45. Umhm. Sorry to hear that.

An immediate, life-changing epiphany would have been very gratifying.

[polly7]

49. You post blabber. nt.

[kstewart33]

57. Polly, calm down.

Don't be so testy. A mere difference of opinion, that's all.

[polly7]

58. Quite calm here, thanks. Best look in a mirror. nt.

[kstewart33]

61. I am, and right now, I'm smiling.

Let's get those votes counted. 51% will do fine.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. What did I miss, why are you talking about social media in this way?

Are Bernie supporters claiming that since they read X on Twitter that Bernie is winning or something?

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. You are way behind the times

Twitter is used by actual reporters all the fracking time to find and source news. So is Facebook by the way. Yes, usual shoe leather and caveats apply, but it is a tool. In fact, one used by reporters as well to spread information.

[pinebox]

65. Most see social media as a news source. Revolutions have been fought using it

Literally. Arab Spring being one.

I find the disconnect between those who are older and I mean no offense in that at all so you know and new media absolutely astounding. Every news source in the world is on twitter.

Do you know that in cases of severe weather, alerts are sent out much faster via twitter than what you receive on your tv or radio?
Do you know why? It's instantaneous.

Seriously, it is far more than what is in the political bubble.

[Skwmom]

2. If we could vote on machines that we could trust to record the vote properly, who knows what might

happen.

[NWCorona]

3. What on Twitter brought about this post?

Honest question.

[MineralMan]

4. Boredom and ennui.

I've never been a Twit, really.

[NWCorona]

9. Me neither even though I have an account

Some people take it way to seriously and act like everything they read is true lol!

It is useful tho.

[Mike__M]

6. No longer so confident

in how real "for real" is.

[kstewart33]

10. Maybe. But he knows the difference between a win and a loss. nt

[Sheepshank]

12. My family survived and are refugees from a bloody Revolution

talk of revolution is distasteful to many. And it's almost insulting to those many survivors, when Bernie's version of it is basically all on twitter and he's trying to rally and encourage the talk of revolution.

[MineralMan]

15. Most Americans have no idea what a Revolution is.

They think they're in one if they disagree with someone other than themselves.

Everything is a "Revolution" here, they believe.

It's boring and simplistic. Revolutions are not a desirable method for changing things. Too many people die in them. We don't want one here in the US. That's why we have elections now. We already had a Revolution a couple of centuries ago. We don't want another one. So, we have orderly transitions of government following the election process.

Those who want a revolution should find one going on somewhere and travel to that place to participate. We don't need one here.

[Sheepshank]

17. yes, thank you!!!

[MineralMan]

19. You're more than welcome!

[Hortensis]

39. Destruction is the appeal, of course. But the reality

is what would happen when the trucks stopped running and the supermarkets emptied out within a couple days.

When everyone was ordered to stay at home or be shot.

When all communications, including the internet, were cut so people had no idea what was happening beyond their sight line or how their relatives and friends were doing.

If the water stopped running, and all thoughts of resistance were subjugated to the immediate need for life-sustaining water.

When the price for a bag of rice and 3 cans of vegetables was obedience and 3 hours in line.

I suspect the would-be torchers think all they'd need to do is go explain that they voted for the revolution and they'd be clapped on the shoulder and thanked for having destroyed the "establishment."

Of course, with a really efficient revolution, maybe we'd just wake up one morning and learn we had a new government, without a messy transition -- a few missing leaders, ministers, teachers, etc., in each town, some really strange news shows requiring us to turn in seditious neighbors, but really, for all who obey orders and were already pretending this is an oligarchy and not a democracy, no big change at all.

[MineralMan]

47. Well, see, that would require actually thinking it through.

As David Byrne sang, "I ain't got time for that now."

And there you have it. The people calling for some sort of "Revolution" would be cowering in their rooms if one actually occurred, I'm sure. Me? I don't need no stinking revolution. I have places to go and things to do. I hate cowering.

[timmymoff]

46. No, everything is a war

war on drugs, war on poverty, war on women, war on racism, etc. ad infitum. First I've heard of a politcal revolution in my 50 years is now. Certainly isn't the first time I've heard something called a war.

[MineralMan]

51. Yes. 'War' is also often misused.

Usually by people who have no knowledge of war. They're often the same people who misuse 'revolution," and for the same reason.

Feh!

[timmymoff]

53. Tell me about the violence of the industrial revolution.

I will wait.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Most Americans think of the American Revolution when hearing the word, we had a Revolution that

brought this country independence. We were birthed in revolutionary war and founded by revolutionaries. You call this distasteful, American history and culture? The word revolution is part of the American lexicon because we are a revolutionary country so we have sexual revolutions and Prince and the Revolution (insulting to survivors!!!) and what good's the Industrial without the Revolution?

Your affectation that the very word 'revolution' should not be spoken is basically silly as all get out. A real stretch and someone needs to tell you that it does not play at all. Go back to the well, try again.

[Sheepshank]

24. and your attempt at promoting Bernie as a noble cause is completely lost.....

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....in the continued hollering of "Revolution".

You think the word is inspiring...good for you. My paradigm is that is is disenfranchising, murderous, bloody and not welcoming or inviting. And how dare you tell me how and what I should feel about the imagery that word inspires. You can keep your petty "everyone should think of it the same way I do, in order to be valid" opinion and shove it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Peacefull revolutions equal elections

Take that with JFK

[Sheepshank]

34. Clearly there is no need to try and building up anger and resentment by Bernie

by screaming for a Revolution....he could be calling for an election. BTW, you are a writer, you know full well why Bernie is using inflammatory terms rather that the more genteel one you attempt in your post.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Read what JFK said in his inagural

Regarding this. You dismiss the very real anger, incidentally at your peril

[Sheepshank]

36. no...I'm talking the here and now and Bernie

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. And I am talking in reality

Has not one thing to do with bernie. But those who prevent peaceful revolutions (elections) ensure the violent kind. The anger started before you heard of Bernie and will continue to build. You dismiss that well at your peril. We might even get the dreaded violent revolution.

I have been in the streets covering this anger since at least 2011. And have been reading off it since at least 2000. It is getting deeper and deeper.

Oh and there is another reality. The revolution will not be televised, at least in the beginning. I mean the violent one

[Sheepshank]

43. No, Bernie and his surrogates are waging a war with reality

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1768726

[Number23]

62. I find the "voter suppression!! Voter suppressIon!!1" screams equally as revolting

To these people, a group of imbeciles that can't follow the rules and are now screaming about it is the same, exact things as entrenched, INSTITUTIONALIZED voter suppression, which is actually still going on in minority communities across the country.

This whole damn primary has been INCREDIBLY fucking illuminating.

[Sheepshank]

70. You are correct. And it's a major disappointment

[Bluenorthwest]

13. The revolutions will all be livestreamed now....

they will also be much faster and more fun.

[MineralMan]

16. There's nothing fun about any revolution.

Just ask anyone who's been through one. There will be no revolution. We had one. We don't want another. That's why we have elections. Bye, now.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. The word has many meanings and don't even try to pretend that it doesn't.

Political revolution, sexual revolution, the tech revolution, not all revolution is bloody or violent revolution. So let's not pretend we are not literate people. It's a term of art and a large part of the American cultural lexicon because we did have a guns and soldiers revolution.
Pretending you do not know this, or pretending that the word is not regularly used in American politics, news writing, and in the arts to mean great change in previously static venues is just a bogus affectation that makes you look less intelligent than I know you to be.

[MineralMan]

23. Oh, dear. I don't pretend anything.

I know what revolutions are. Yes, I do.

You say you want one? We all want to change the world.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

30. When John Lennon said "You say you want a revolution"

and these words

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead

People misunderstood him to mean some sort of physical revolution, non-violent or otherwise, when what he was referring to was
change your head and free you mind.

He didnt personally tell me this, but as a fan and realizing how important mind altering drugs were at the time, I think it is a pretty safe bet this was what he was talking about.

How this applies today is complicated, yes we need to get our minds right, but we also have to pretty much put a stop to capitalism as we know it. But this can certainly be done peacefully, but must be done.





Lecturing people about how dangerous or hard real revolution is, as a way to demean what Bernie or his supporters are saying, is not productive.

[Punkingal]

63. Excellent post!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

66. Thanks, and remember

#VoteBlueNoMatterWho

[DrDan]

28. a bunch of folks sitting behind keyboards would be quite boring anyway

[frylock]

29. Also, get off my lawn.

[MineralMan]

32. I think you have posted that to me before.

As always, people are welcome on my lawn. Step right up. I'll probably offer you a beer or another beverage of your choice and invite you to have a conversation. We have a table and a couple of chairs out on the front lawn. People often stop by for a chat.

Come on by, and we can do that on my lawn. Careful of the lawn signs, though. Don't trip over them.

[frylock]

38. I can't think of anything I'd rather do less, thanks.

[MineralMan]

40. Your loss, then. I'll leave he invitation open for you, though.

The lawn-sitting season has just started here. We'll have three or four months of good weather for it now. I often sit out there after I finish my work and before starting dinner. People walk here in my St. Paul neighborhood. Children play. Often, as I'm sitting out there, a neighbor or some neighborhood kids stop by and chat for a while. I always have some good beer in the fridge and can whip up a mean gin and tonic in just seconds.

I've had many good conversations with my neighbors, and all the kids know my name and my dogs' names, too. It's a pleasant thing to do in the afternoon. I hope you'll change your mind and stop by soon. Just mind the beagle/basset mix. He's a licker.

[kstewart33]

59. Always the gentleman (or gentlelady?), Frylock.

No need to be nasty.

[HumanityExperiment]

44. Evolve...

Funny, when did you become the arbiter of how a revolution grows, informs and otherwise 'is'?

Your shift or pivot to 'vote' from movement is noted...

It's comical to me that HRC supporters don't fundamentally get what's going on this primary / election cycle

HRC and her supporters believe that if they 'win' the nomination then the movement will come to heel, this bit makes the point "instead of for real, who knows what might happen"

Indeed, who knows what will happen, but I do know that what HRC and her supporters think will happen won't regardless of who wins the DEM nomination

either they understand what's evolving here or they don't... so far they DON'T

so who knows what will happen with their 'education' on this, they could be in for a very big surprise...

[timmymoff]

50. As often as they have been wrong this election cycle

I would do all I could to get out of the prediction and definition business.

[MineralMan]

52. You let me know when this "revolution" begins, so

I can lock my door, OK? Thanks very much.

[HumanityExperiment]

55. And there it is.... confirmation

appreciate the reply and validation of my point, thx for playin'!

[timmymoff]

56. You already locked your brain

if you do not see what's going on. Bernie does not have to win for the political revolution to be successful. As stated before, in my area Bernie supporters have joined with the democrats in accepting roles they couldn't fill with precinct committeemen and various committee positions. I am more than positive this is happening in more than one place. Do you think Hillary ws going to inspire all these young people to register for her? You know that answer, she can't even sway many long time dems ( such as myself) to support her. The political revolution is a call to action, voting being only one portion of it. There is also assembly, letter writing, running for office etc. Now in the microwaved easily swayed Hillary supporters they expect things to happen overnight, but remain blind to the fact that Bernie already won the message, that's why Hillary had to adopt and evolve. Just because you choose not to see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Punkingal]

64. This is just one of his recurring themes...

There was a Reagan revolution, and now there is a Bernie revolution, but he will never admit to either one.

[NurseJackie]

48. Someone posted the other day ... "The Revolution will be Fantasized"

It made me chuckle.

[kstewart33]

60. Well, when it doesn't happen, one can dream.

Hope there's some enjoyment in that.

[merrily]

54. Tweeted, not Twittered.

It is also be televised, though, and/or streamed.

[MineralMan]

67. Oh, dear. That was a deliberate word choice.

I do know both words, you know.

[merrily]

68. I have no clue what you know. Why would I?

[MineralMan]

69. Why would you have a clue?

I don't know, really. I don't know you from Eve.

[forjusticethunders]

71. The Revolution will be LARPed

Just like it has been for the past 50 years. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Protest votes and protest candidates have been running for decades, and they've done nothing to stop the corporatism most of us decry because making a lot of noise and play-acting the rhetoric of "revolution" like it's 1917 doesn't actually resonate with real people anymore.

Revolutions generally *aren't* televised, tweeted or anything else, they take years, often decades of effort, time and organization that the Left has neglected because of the mistaken belief that we're just "one crisis" away or something. It took the Right 2 election cycles after World War II (where Eisenhower basically said any party that tried to roll back the New Deal would be politically irrelevant) to get their extremism to the General Election, and 2 more after that to win, and several crises on top of massive corporate funding and religious institutional backing to push it along. I may not be super excited about Hillary, but it's clear that her base is closer to a "revolutionary" one than Bernie's, and has the support of the groups and organizations and entities that have fought the grass roots fight, rather than making noise.