Clinton camp: Will Sanders turn into Ralph Nader?

[SecularMotion]

The Clinton campaign has a question for Bernie Sanders: Are you to become “a Ralph Nader and try to destroy the party?”

Clinton’s chief strategist Joel Benenson accused Sanders of issuing attacks that hurt the Democratic Party in an interview with CNN's "New Day" on Tuesday, the day of the New York primary.

"The real challenge, is Senator Sanders going to stop attacks that hurt Democrats that we need up and down the ticket?” Benenson asked. “Is he going to try to support the party that is in favor of protecting voting rights, women's rights, or turn himself into someone who will do what he said he wasn't going do, and be a Ralph Nader and try to destroy the party when it comes to defeating Republicans in November?"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/bernie-sanders-ralph-nader-222127

[hueymahl]

1. Is this the new talking-point smear-of-the-day?

I expect to see it repeated on DU the rest of the week.

[Betty Karlson]

42. Pretty much. Clinton is imploding the party, but acuses Bernie of the results.

Vile and disgusting.

[Downwinder]

2. Will the Party force Bernie supporters out?

[Fawke Em]

40. They already have.

[Downwinder]

48. I was saving up that they won't let them vote.

[Fawke Em]

68. Like they're doing in New York today?

The number of vote flips in Brooklyn has increased from the estimated 63,000 to 126,000 as a result of research done for the injunctive relief filed yesterday.

Who is purging the Democratic Party?

[Downwinder]

75. Is there a Democratic Party or just a Democratic Revision

of some monolithic party? Like P&G with different Brand names and packaging for the same soap.

[Skwmom]

59. What do you think is going on? n/t

[Downwinder]

62. Time for Mugwumps.

[JudyM]

3. What a laugh. In fundamental ways, Clinton is the one who is and will continue to "hurt the party"

[Mike Nelson]

4. I think...

...he won't. However, I think he may turn out to be something much worse for the Democratic Party. He may go beyond Ralph Nader.

The corruption charges have moved on from Hillary Clinton to the Democratic Party. the stuff he said upon entering the race should be discounted. He is a huge political celebrity, now - this tends to press the "reset" button.

[Surya Gayatri]

33. Sanders: Forked-tongue, snake-in-the-grass...NOT to be trusted.

"The corruption charges have moved on from Hillary Clinton to the Democratic Party. the stuff he said upon entering the race should be discounted."

With his new-found sainthood, he is truly a lose cannon. Ready and willing to take the Democratic Party ship down with him, as he thrashes and crashes around on the deck.

[SoapBox]

52. Oh puleaze....

I was looking for the sarcasm but guess I missed it.

[fasttense]

80. Are you sure this isn't one of those extra special groups that don't allow dissent?

I'm getting banned left and right because I don't agree with editorials that make a candidate or politician into a saint. You know, I dare to disagree. Is this one of those awful groups too? It sounds like the I love Hillary group.

You can go ahead and ban me now, because I think this question is troll bait. It's equal to asking a politician when did she stop beating her spouse?

[NurseJackie]

5. I wouldn't put it past him. By his deeds, he's made his intentions clear from the very beginning.

I can't trust his words any more.

[longship]

16. Absolute rubbish.

He has been very clear about this since day one.

One doesn't get to make shit up to win a nomination. That would be a Rovian tactic. Just like making shit up about a Vatican visit.

If Hillary gets the nod, he will support her because, unlike Hillary, he does not channel Karl Rove.

God help us all if she gets that nod. She'll have my vote, but as the national polls state, few independents. I don't know how she wins without us lefties and without independents. Well, she'll have mine, but it will be the most difficult vote of my life saved only by the fact that the GOP is so utterly evil.

[Fawke Em]

43. True, but his supporters won't.

They're not too keen on Republican v. Republican Lite as choices in the general.

[longship]

63. I am one of his supporters.

And I vote Democratic because there are no rational alternatives in the USA. I wish it weren't so, but that is the unvarnished political reality.

I was born during the Truman administration and I have seen many administrations come and go. But I have never seen a Democratic presidential candidate campaign like Hillary Clinton. And this is her second go at this where her tactics are the same rubbish. This is going to be a very tough vote for me in November, if she gets the Dem nod. Thankfully, I will vote Dem. I cannot speak for my fellow Bernie supporters. I wish that Secy Clinton had realized such truths much earlier. Sadly, the unbridled hubris and entitlement of her and her followers did not allow such things.

I only hope that Bernie can save us all from a likely GOP win in November if Secy Clinton gains the nomination. Her negatives are horrible, especially with regards to independent voters, which no Dem candidate in my life has achieved the Oval Office without.

Let that be our collective lesson, hopefully not a sad one.

[Fawke Em]

70. I've voted for the Dem nominee for 28 years.

I'm tired of getting Third Way crap candidates.

I have to start being true to my beliefs at some point. I can no longer vote for someone with a "D" after their name if their policies do not reflect what I believe the Democratic Party should be about.

[longship]

96. I would agree, except for the GOP's agenda.

Were it not for that, and their nearly universal control of both national and state legislatures and governorships, I would agree with you.

However, I don't know how anybody could defend not voting Democratic this year given the undeniable facts of the political landscape. You choose. I've already made my choice. I want a Democratic candidate in the Oval Office. I prefer Bernie. But hell if I will live to see another Republican there, especially the delusional Trump or the theocratic (horrors!) Cruz. Kasich isn't any better.

Choose for yourself. I have already decided, and voted. Bernie won my state, MI, in an upset. And I will gladly fill in the blank for Hillary Clinton in November if she gains the nod, especially considering any GOP alternative.

Any other argument is senseless, infantile idiocy.

Sorry.

[Bobbie Jo]

24. Agreed

We've seen what he's willing to do get ahead. One misrepresentation after the next.

[HERVEPA]

32. Oh just stop it. Nobody ever took or takes your 3rd grade stuff seriously

[Goblinmonger]

49. Jury results

FWIW, I was #1

On Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh just stop it. Nobody ever took or takes your 3rd grade stuff seriously
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1775956

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

No need for the personal attacks here. This post is nothing but a gratuitous insult, not even on topic. Blech.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:09 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 1. It's on topic. 2. "personal attack"? Saying that something is "3rd grade stuff" is basically a love note in GDP these days.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh just stop, with the silly alerts...within 2 seconds of opening DU, I get this alert...ridiculous. LEAVE IT.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I know you are but what am I? Leave it and let the kids get into a dirt clod fight at recess

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post was impolite, but not over the top or abusive.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personal attack. Rude, insulting and over-the-top.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[SoapBox]

51. And the Jury Results are in!

...another over use of the jury system.

On Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh just stop it. Nobody ever took or takes your 3rd grade stuff seriously
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1775956

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

No need for the personal attacks here. This post is nothing but a gratuitous insult, not even on topic. Blech.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:09 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 1. It's on topic. 2. "personal attack"? Saying that something is "3rd grade stuff" is basically a love note in GDP these days.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh just stop, with the silly alerts...within 2 seconds of opening DU, I get this alert...ridiculous. LEAVE IT.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I know you are but what am I? Leave it and let the kids get into a dirt clod fight at recess

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post was impolite, but not over the top or abusive.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personal attack. Rude, insulting and over-the-top.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Baobab]

61. Do you know about HRCs plans for nursing?

Globalizing it and lowering wages by means of WTO GATS "Mode Four"?

And L-1 visa holders...

Thats her plan for infrastructure too. Via procurement provisions in TTIP and TiSA -

It would be a disaster for this country.

[2pooped2pop]

64. Can't trust his words anymore....coz u've been his supporter all along, right?

and I can't trust your words.

[HERVEPA]

101. Perfect response.

[longship]

6. Smear of the day from the Hillary group.

Bernie has repeatedly said that he would honor the Democratic nominee process.

Meanwhile, as usual, Hillary group makes shit up. Just like with the Vatican affair.

For Christ sakes, don't her people know how overtly Rovian this all seems?

And they will undoubtedly want support from Bernie voters if she wins the nod. In fact, they will EXPECT it. After all, it's her turn!

I will wish her good luck. However all the national polls put her behind Bernie against any of the GOP candidates. And her negatives are horrible, especially with independent voters, which Bernie carries.

[VulgarPoet]

27. These people don't give a flying fuck about how Rovian it is

hell, they accept that that utter fucking vulture David Brock works for Hillary now, and he's practically the reigning king of the Rovian Ratfuck.

[casperthegm]

7. No, Bernie will be the real Democrat, even if he runs as an Independent

He's what a real Democrat used to be and should be. He opposes fracking. He supports reinstating Glass Steagall. He isn't cozy with Wall Street. He voted against the war in Iraq. He opposed Keystone from the beginning, because bad for the environment is bad for the environment- you don't need time to "reflect" upon it. He doesn't have super pacs because he is not for sale. THESE are Democratic values. At least they used to be. And that's why, if he does not win the nomination, he will get much more support if he runs as an independent. Because he is the REAL Democrat. And if Clinton supporters and the democratic establishment don't think these values are important then the party is not what I thought it was, which is a real shame.

[awake]

8. the Clinton's are the ones who are destroying the Party of FDR

Bernie and his 2,000,000 + people are in the process of returning the party to its roots the working class. I have news for you we are not going away, we will not stand for the republication of the Democratic party with Corrupt Banks and the 1%er running a once great party into the ground.

[Attorney in Texas]

9. No, but Hillary would turn into Walter Mondale if we foolishly nominate her

[LexVegas]

10. Too late. nt

[NurseJackie]

98. Valid point.

[Nanjeanne]

11. Every day I. Every way the Dem Party and the Clinton campaign let me know how

unimportant I am to them -- except when they need my vote to give Hillary her prize.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

12. Clinton is the one hurting the party (her husband did too), pulling it to the right. Bernie...

...is trying to bring the party back where it belongs, on the LEFT!

[joshcryer]

13. No.

Despite faux supporters wishes and desires.

[mmonk]

14. Why of course since everybody knows Nader ran as a Democrat.

[JHB]

15. It wasn't Sanders supporters who added...

...the term "PUMA" to our political lexicon.

[SFnomad]

26. No they weren't ... but many of the BS cheerleaders sure do look like they want to be

the same type of bitter sore losers that the PUMAs were. The type that would rather throw a temper tantrum and take their ball and go home.

[Fawke Em]

67. We're not thowing temper tantrums.

We're telling you exactly why, in good consciousnesses, we can't and won't vote for Clinton. We consider her corrupt, unwilling to change the status quo, in bed with Wall Street and other elites who ruined the economic fortunes of many on Main Street, a war hawk who will escalate our involvement in unnecessary wars, a political center-righter who won't nominate any SCOTUS justices that are willing to change Citizens United or in any way buck the corrupt system already in place.

No. We're not taking our ball and going home. We're taking our ball back and offering it to other candidates who offer us a choice between the elites v. the people. Republican v. Republican Lite is over for us.

[SFnomad]

72. You will have two effective choices ... eithter Secretary Clinton or tRump (or maybe Cruz)

If you decide not to vote for Secretary Clinton, you are helping the Republican, plain and simple. I've had it with trying to reason with you unreasonable people ... enjoy your purity ball. Instead of just focusing on the "independents" maybe your carpet bagging candidate should have tried to convince actual Democrats that he was the better nominee.

[angrychair]

76. Pot meet kettle

Your candidate has been a "carpet bagger" for many, many years.

Started, as an adult, as a republican. Then went shopping for a place to run for office and landing on New York, a place she had no connection to before that.
Finished it off by moving into the WH as SoS as a consolation prize.

[SFnomad]

78. Listening to your spew, I swear I would have thought I logged onto Free Republic or

maybe Red State. It's so hard to tell you people apart from the right wingnuts.

[angrychair]

87. Pot meet kettle. nt

[SFnomad]

89. Carpetbagging party crasher that demands we take their choice, even after it has been rejected,

or they're taking their purity ball and going home.

[Arkana]

17. Why do Clinton's supporters have such contempt for Sanders supporters?

Why are they so resistant to the idea of growing the party in the OTHER direction--to the left--for once?

[NurseJackie]

25. Methods not motives.

[VulgarPoet]

28. Because growing to the left doesn't benefit their corporate johns. nt

[LonePirate]

38. I'm not sure you want to open that can of worms.

Many Clinton supporters wonder why so many Sanders supporters have so much contempt for them. This is a two way street, believe it or not.

[auntpurl]

57. Sanders supporters, at least on this board,

have not been particularly polite, friendly, or welcoming to Hillary supporters. They also use right wing smears against Hillary and are happy to use right wing sources on a Democratic board as long as they can post another vile anti-Hillary attack. I wouldn't say I have contempt for them, but I don't respect the way they've behaved in this primary.

[JoePhilly]

97. + 1

[Maedhros]

106. Oh how can we go on without your respect?

I've been haunted by this thought, and haven't slept for weeks.

[auntpurl]

107. The question was asked, I answered.

This is how a message board works.

[Baobab]

58. because they expected this to be a corponation of ther handpicked candidate

But democracies don't have kings or queens, we have candidates and she is not the strongest candidate nor do her values really reflect Democratic values, she is more of a would-be oligarch.

So they wish we would just go away. basically they are trapped in a certain way of seeing things and they think its their way or the highway.

[Bettie]

65. Corporate "persons" don't want it to go to the Left

and they are the ones dictating the agenda.

Clinton's supporters want the left excised from "their" party.

[Stuckinthebush]

18. Nah. He will concede and support Hillary

Primaries are nasty but Sanders isn't an idiot or a narcissist.

I'm not a fan of his campaign but I do think he knows the real damage to the country he would inflict if he ran third party or independent. He won't do that.

[longship]

30. Thank you.

Too damned many delusional Hillary supporters that don't remember Bernie's promise to not run against the Dem nominee. They would rather just make shit up. Like about Bernie's Vatican visit. Pathetic.

It's nice to see that some Hillary supporters who have not utterly lost their minds.

Kudos to you.

[COLGATE4]

81. Not the least because he really want to be Chair of

the Senate Finance Committee when Hillary is elected and we, hopefully, retake the Senate. I don't know if his latest stunt accusing them of financial irregularities in the campaign may be enough to kill that hope for him.

[ViseGrip]

19. Gee, you see how the Hillary supporters act? They say it's Bernie, but the proof is here

and all over DU.

[creon]

20. No

The Sanders will vote for Clinton

[ibegurpard]

21. They're doing their best to make it happen

He won't but I have no doubt many people who support him will never vote for her. Will it make a difference? Guess we'll see.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Nnnnnnnnnnope. Next idiotic question...

[ieoeja]

35. Why do they put 10 hotdogs per package, but 8 hotdog buns per package? n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. Not sure but I'm thinking it has something to do with Ralph Nader. nt

[ieoeja]

44. Not enough buns at any heat? n/t

[Live and Learn]

23. Clinton destroys party and attempts to blame Sanders. Headline fixed. nt

[peace13]

29. The weird thing about the Clinton campaign is...

...that they can never come up with positive points about their candidate. Instead every three days they dream up something fare fetched and demeaning and fling it at Bernie. It is very tiresome. Her supporters are fed this stuff and it is becoming more and more unhealthy. It's like a child at the end of the box of fruit loops...not a pretty sight.

[SoapBox]

47. Bingo!

As we said so early on...they never talked issues...they only throw mud.

[geek tragedy]

31. that is the big question going forward. nt

[HERVEPA]

34. Bullshit. No ti isn't. Just in your mind perhaps.

[CanadaexPat]

36. Well, we all know Bobby Kennedy was shot in June, so....

[LonePirate]

41. What exactly are suggesting with that post?

It seems like it could be well beyond the norm of civil discourse.

[Art_from_Ark]

88. That post is in reference to this

[frylock]

108. It seems like it could be well beyond the norm of civil discourse.

[COLGATE4]

84. This is a very bizarre post which could

very easily be seen as extremely offensive. You should delete it.

[CanadaexPat]

90. I agree it's bizarre and offensive. But it's Hillary's words, not mine.

[COLGATE4]

91. Referring to what? Please provide a link

to her quote.

[CanadaexPat]

92. See above for video.

[COLGATE4]

93. Even after watching it twice I fail to see

what your point is.

[Art_from_Ark]

94. That post is in reference to this

[COLGATE4]

95. Yeah, I saw it. Slill not sure what his point is.

[enid602]

39. Will Sanders turn into Ralph Nader?

Depends if he can keep the contributions coming. At the end of the day, it's all about the money.

[BillZBubb]

85. "It's all about the money" Classic line from a Hillary supporter!!!!!

She's certainly all about the money.

[beedle]

45. Bernie's fault?

Bernie is here to save your dumb asses from the problem that is right in front of your eyes.

[SoapBox]

46. More desperation from Camp Weathervane.

How embarrassing...and so pathetic.

It's back to the BOO! tactics...can we next expect the 3AM Phone Call ad?

[TexasBushwhacker]

50. Enough Bernie bashing and Nader too

If HRC wins the nomination, she will need Sanders supporters to vote for her. Every time one of her minions says something stupid like this, it makes more of them just stay home rather than vote for her in the general election.

As for Nader being a spoiler, if All Gore had won Tennessee, his home state, he would have won.

[geek tragedy]

69. When Bernie starts acting like someone who wants to defeat the Republicans in November,

even if he's not the nominee, then he'll get treated as an ally.

Not really complicated.

A lot of very good people support him.

[Baobab]

53. Will Hillary Clinton Become Ralph Nader?

Not a chance- Ralph Nader is infinitely more progressive than Hillary Clinton

[Sivart]

54. Ralph nader wishes.......

To compare what Bernie has going on right now to what Ralph had in 2000 is to be completely not paying attention.

Ralph Nader wishes.....

[JTFrog]

55. Worse than.

Using the party for money and media to just turn around and trash them is pretty fucking low.

I know that isn't going to be a popular opinion, but it's what we are witnessing.

[Fawke Em]

73. He's not trashing the party.

He's trying to wrest it back from the Third Way, GOP-Lite actors who have taken it over.

What I'm witnessing is how entrenched these assholes are in the Party, how well they've brainwashed Democrats into believing this Party still stands for the working class when it's painfully obvious it doesn't and how hard Millennials are working to reset the course for the Party to once again represent the working class while the elites stomp and scream, "You'll lose what few social rights you have left," as a battle cry (since they refuse to fight for any rights at all).

[JTFrog]

74. Of course he is.

He has a long history of doing just that.

[frylock]

109. He does? Could you provide a rundown of that long history?

[tokenlib]

56. OOH, now we get the "Nader" club out to beat them into submission...

...like that is going to work. The Third Way playbook is getting too predictable. Threatening disaster on social issues so you forget they offer nothing but status quo on the economic issues too is part of their spiel.

Threatening Sanders is not going to end well for them. He is not their major problem.

[tabasco]

60. Clinton didn't end her 2008 campaign until the convention.

End of discussion.

[polichick]

66. This kind of shit - coupled with corruption - is why I can't see myself voting for HRC.

[Bonobo]

71. Punch the hippies! Punch! Punch! nt

[2banon]

77. They've been at this for months. It's a great big FAIL

unbelievably dishonest, oh. wait.

Actually Dishonesty is the hallmark of their campaign, nothing new here.

[jillan]

79. Please stop. Nader ran as a 3rd party candidate while Bernie chose not to

For that very reason.

He could've run 3rd party and in doing so would have taken almost 1/2of the votes out of the Democratic Party and into the third-party. And then Hillary would a lost for sure.

So when you jump all over him and call him Nader you couldn't be further from the truth.

[autorank]

82. I thought you meant would Sanders run with Ralph Nader

Not a bad idea if HRC wins it. At least we'd be ble to choose someone other than the Trump blowhard and HRC with her record of 350,000 deaths due to the Libya and Syrian civil wars she was so instrumental in starting and supporting.

[mikehiggins]

83. Berenson is a joke

I actually change channels when his face appears on the screen.

What puzzles me is the simple question: don't these people realize that we know they are lying?

How can people be that stupid?

The classic political campaign has winning as its sole and only goal. Anything that is thought to aid in that job is okay, no matter how ridiculous.

Sanders is running because no one else would and he is running as a Democrat because third parties are a joke. He is not going to run a "spoiler" campaign like Nader AND THE CLINTON PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

The purpose of this balloon is to throw shade on Sanders reputation for integrity. If Berenson really believes that claim, or thinks it's going to gain any traction, the Clintons are grossly overpaying him.

[BillZBubb]

86. Translation: Stop telling the truth about Hillary!

[Gothmog]

99. Sanders and Nader have a great deal in common

Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology. Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed

Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: “It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.”[/div
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/

Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.

"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.

"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."

Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."

Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."

Sanders needs to back down from this crap if he wants to speak at the national convention

[silvershadow]

100. Sorry, that position is already occupied..by Clinton. nt

[HassleCat]

102. Still blaming Nader.

My party seems more pathetic every day. What a bunch of whiners.

[pdsimdars]

103. Will Hillary Clinton become Jeb Bush?

[AgerolanAmerican]

104. Will Clinton turn into Hubert Humphrey?

[LyndaG]

105. He said he wouldn't.

I take him at his word. He knows what's at stake.