Why do the trump campaign talking points track so closely to ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

a campaign in the Democratic primaries?

i.e., Primaries Rigged ...voter disenfranchisement

[virtualobserver]

1. that would be because Trump is copying Bernie....you know, like Hillary does sometimes.

[Hortensis]

93. It's the strong similarity between some of their FOLLOWERS.

The reactionaries and radicals. Both groups are drawn to a strong, authoritarian, anti-establishment man speaking to their clueless anger and promising with tremendous conviction to "fix" everything, not forgetting to screw over the bad guys on the way. Both are attracting some of the other's people.

Strong, charismatic, authoritarian leader.
Quick, easy fixes that benefit their followers, prove them right!, and make bad guys very unhappy.

It's a formula. Ross Perot had it but decompensated. Cruz could have it but needs the discipline to hide his repellent extremism, or better circumstances. If this country ever falls, it'll be with a particularly talented one of these who's managed to gather a following of both the far right and far left with promises of a satisfyingly destructive "revolution."

[virtualobserver]

94. clueless anger, lol.....sorry, but Hillary has provided us with plenty of clues.....

she is perfectly aligned with corporate America.

[Uponthegears]

2. In what conspiracy theory-laden world

is the Republican party NOT doing everything in its power to stop Trump? It's probably the same one where the "presumed/assumed" Democrat nominee's supporters think she is showing her electability by campaigning against against a Trump straw man.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. You are right, Hillary's praise of the Reagans and her erasing of LGBT history along with the

strong antisemitic streak in and around her campaign do remind me very much of Trump and his camp. Like Trump she opposes single payer, laughs at people of vision and is centered on accumulating her own vast personal wealth. Like Trump, Clinton is a brand and a line of products, persons and entities.

Too many comparisons, not enough contrast between the two. Very astute observations.

[treestar]

11. Hillary at least did not go to see the Pope

Bernie just made a deal of visiting the anti-LGBT Pope. That should be enough to throw Bernie under the bus. He's going to lose tons of progressive voters over that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. You beat me to it ...

That poster goes on and on about every candidate's slight of the LGBTQ community; but you will hear nothing from that poster about the Vatican visit.

Or, maybe you will be entertained with some BS apologia for the visit ... just like when Sanders visited that well known center for anti-heterosexist thought - Liberty University.

[obamanut2012]

47. Yeah, I"ve been wondering about that, too

Pope Francis is REALLY anti LGBT and REALLY against women's reproductive rights and having primary roles in the Church... so, why are those points being railed about?

[Bluenorthwest]

50. I'll post it again since you and your friends did not address what I wrote:

Hillary's praise of the Reagans and her erasing of LGBT history along with the

strong antisemitic streak in and around her campaign do remind me very much of Trump and his camp. Like Trump she opposes single payer, laughs at people of vision and is centered on accumulating her own vast personal wealth. Like Trump, Clinton is a brand and a line of products, persons and entities.


If you can't muster a response to the content, attacking me and LGBT advocacy does not help you, it makes your biases more apparent and your lack of concern for equality issues obvious.

[treestar]

73. But she didn't go see the Pope

And that would seem to be far worse, at least from what I've read here.

[Bluenorthwest]

54. Liberty, first thing Bernie did is state his support for LGBT equality and for women's rights,

reproductive and otherwise. I love straight people who stand up to bigoted straight people and stand with the LGBT actively. Bernie at Liberty was an act of LGBT advocacy and it was uplifting to the LGBT students stuck in that place.

When Hillary went to Rick Warren's Church she did not advocate for LGBT as one of our friends, she praised Rick, his wife, his congregation as a fellow believer, she delivered excuses for the bigotry toward LGBT and for the years of abuse of people with HIV and AIDS.

Both speeches exist on line to read in full. If it actually matters to you.


In terms of praising Reagan on AIDS, that shit should upset African American activists just as much as LGBT. Do you have any idea who gets the most sickness and death from HIV, not only then but now?

You see AIDS activism as purely LGBT and that's just a function of prejudice on your part.
.

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. Yeah ... Okay; but, You don't know what I see.

[AgingAmerican]

21. Envy

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Or, able to spot hypocrisy.

[Maru Kitteh]

43. Yes, I'd say that's it

Especially because it's just SO DAMN OBVIOUS.


damn

Tuesday cannot come FAST ENOUGH.

[treestar]

74. Why ?

Why envy Bernie's big fail here?

Suddenly the Pope is OK?

[AgingAmerican]

79. Intellectual sloth

Fueled by envy

[treestar]

81. The Envy theme is ridiculous

This was a disaster for Bernie, a waste of time, and risked losing his atheist or progressive supporters. Why would we envy his this absurd decision to do what he did here? He knows he is losing, that's why he preferred the conference to campaigning in NY. How could this be the basis of envy?

And suddenly the Pope is OK, lol, Bernie does work miracles. Some of the most anti-pope people on the board are actually OK with this.

[AgingAmerican]

84. IT's envy

She didn't get invited, so her supporters throw a fit.

[QC]

24. And we all know how deeply you care about LGBT people!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022947372#post283

[RepubliCON-Watch]

26. I remember that crap post! Disgusting! nt

[QC]

27. One of the ugliest things I've seen in fifteen years on this site. n/t

[RepubliCON-Watch]

29. What's funny is that it was my first day on DU.

I didn't post in that hellhole of a thread, otherwise I would have been kicked off DU within less than 24 hours of signing up.

[treestar]

76. How does that let Bernie off the hook?

I am never to be forgiven but Bernie, who would the POTUS, is to be excused?

[Autumn]

31. Thank you. I was just looking for the "you have plenty of rights" post.

[treestar]

78. It's one thing for me to be called a homophobe

though I may be the only one favoring gay marriage and all that, but BERNIE? Why is he getting away with doing far worse? Associating himself with the head of an antigay association?

Doesn't matter what I said, BERNIE is associating with the Pope! How can that be? How can that be forgivable for BERNIE?

[Autumn]

83. Don't talk to me about Bernie associating himself with the head of the church, that

conference was on poverty. Bernie and the Pope both care for the poor and that is what they have in common and respect about each other. Bernie would never agree with or say that LGBT people have enough rights and I'm sure that the Pope knowing that Bernie supports those rights for LGBT people would never mention it to him. I doubt they even discussed your premise that LGBT people have enough rights.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022947372#post283

Hillary is proud of her friendship with the fucking mass murder of women, men, and children. Henry Kissinger That sure gets a pass from you. .

[Bluenorthwest]

48. And look at who is ttacking LGBT along with that poster, the Plenty of Rights Bullies.

This thread is super revealing.

[treestar]

77. Look who is failing to answer the question

of why BERNIE gets excused.

Trying to make it about me is so lame. Bernie should be thrown under the bus, period. He even spoke to the Pope! There can't be much worse than that. President Obama and I were thrown under the bus for far less.

[treestar]

75. I've never visited the pope however.

Bernie did.

Why do you tolerate that?

[2pooped2pop]

4. Some things are true no matter where you stand

Why is Clinton's campaign so similar to Republicans?

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. No they're not and no it's not.

[2pooped2pop]

25. wow great first grade response

U sure u don't want to add "neener, neener, neener" or something similar ?

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. Okay ...

"neener, neener, neener" or something similar

[Tarc]

5. It's what the fringe candidates do to grain traction

Unfortunately, Trump has tapped into a low-educated, racist base of white supporters and is actually leading his primary. He promises them lots of things and the lap it up.

Democratic voters are smarter, and identify the pragmatic candidate who can actually deliver on what she promises.

[Logical]

7. LOL, now this is seriously the funniest post I have read this week. nt

[Tarc]

10. My hometown candidate Vermin Supreme has a greater chance at delivering on his promises

than Bernie does.

[Fawke Em]

39. I don't think it's very smart to vote for someone who is under a criminal investigation.

[redstateblues]

55. And Bernie can't even win the under those circumstances

He's a weak, single issue candidate. He would be crushed if he made it to the GE.

[NurseJackie]

89. Yes ... "fringe candidates" ... that's it exactly. Thank you!

You're also right on target with your assessment of "low-educated" and "racist white supporters". It's very discouraging to see such things.

[Logical]

6. FFS, really, you pull 2 items out and make a OP about it? Desperate? Or bored?

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. NO ... Just observant.

[Godhumor]

8. In Trump's case, the party really is planning on overturning the will of their voters

On our side, it is just used as an explanation for being behind.

[Jefferson23]

12. If you would, in your estimation, is voter disenfranchisement a valid issue or

a convoluted non issue manufactured by the two campaigns as you've stated in the OP?

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. Voter disenfranchisement IS a valid issue ...

But an independent not being able to vote in a state's closed primary/participate in a closed caucus is not voter disenfranchisement ... neither is the random bureaucratic snafu that results in long lines.

[Jefferson23]

34. I sugggest then you refrain from false claims about Sanders. They are on the record as stating

they do not believe it is rigged system..as opposed to what you have stated.

Why do the trump campaign talking points track so closely to ...
a campaign in the Democratic primaries?

i.e., Primaries Rigged ...voter disenfranchisement


And yes, voter disenfranchisement is real..we agree on that..so does Sanders:

Why There May Be Trouble This November at Your Polling Place
Authors Ari Berman and Michael Waldman talk about the unequal history of voting in America, new voting rules and their concerns about what may happen later this year.
http://billmoyers.com/story/will-your-vote-count-in-2016/

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. OK ... I should have said the talking point of Sanders'supporters on DU and in the wild.

[Jefferson23]

44. Fair enough. n/t

[LexVegas]

14. Same base...young white males. nt

[CorkySt.Clair]

19. You left out

Angry, privilideged, uninformed, irrational and gullible.

[Surya Gayatri]

35. Bingo!

[ibegurpard]

16. So I'm guessing

You disagree with both campaigns signing on to the lawsuits about the disenfranchisement in Arizona? By the way did Hillary ever have anything to say about it? Because I don't remember her ever taking the opportunity to mention it...

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. The suit is about fixing the incompetence of a flawed voting scheme ...

not tilting at a rigged system.

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. Actual issues please???

(this is my new response to all of this freaking fluff)

[Romulox]

28. Why are your interests so in line with Goldman Sachs? Hmmmm.... nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. They're not. Unless ...

Goldman Sachs = reality.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. That 'I represent reality' trope is borrorwed from Karl:

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. "

[Romulox]

69. No, the interests of the wealthy =/= "reality". What a bizarre claim. nt

[Lucinda]

33. And surrogates like Dr Song criticizing Democratic members of congress

It's quite an interesting election, to say the least.

[Hiraeth]

36. They agree on issues but, their solutions for these problems are vastly different.

How hard is that to understand.

[Vattel]

37. because wet birds don't fly at night?

[morningfog]

38. "Talking points" you reference one.

Rigged primaries and voter disenfranchisement.

When has Bernie claimed the primaries are rigged?

As for the disenfranchisement, that is a real and systemic issue. There has been aware on voting rights and its effect is seen in the primary and the general.

[Warren Stupidity]

52. I guess the op thinks that the systematic disenfranchisment of people of color, the elderly

students and poor people is a fringe issue.

Stunning.

[morningfog]

64. Or maybe even a right wing issue. I can't tell the point.

[whatchamacallit]

40. What a brilliant deduction!

[Jamaal510]

42. The horseshoe theory at practice. nt

[DCBob]

45. Trump and Bernie target voters who have similar thought patterns.

Angry, fed up, pissed off, think the country is doomed, believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories, think the government is a disaster... its quite remarkable they are diametrically opposed politically... I think.

[obamanut2012]

46. Attacking defense attorneys

Using VRWC 1990's talking points.....

etc.

[Armstead]

51. I'm glad the Democrats have now joined the GOP against voter access and accountability

Gosh we have to make it harder to vote. Sure can't have new voters coming along.

Gosh if there are questions about tallies and procedures, we should ignore them.

[QC]

53. Basically, we're expected to abandon every Democratic principle

for the sake of one family's ambition.

After all, we're now supposed to agree with the reasoning behind Citizens United, namely that giving big money to politicians doesn't corrupt them.

Now we have members complaining that Hillary is paying a higher tax rate than someone who made about 1/14 as much as she did, so it looks like progressive taxation is now a bad thing.

And now, at long last, we agree with the Republicans on voter access.

Which cherished Democratic ideal do you think will be the next to be thrown onto the trash heap?

[Armstead]

56. The donkey is morphing into an elephant before out eyes

[QC]

57. You know, I used to look at the Clintons the way an earlier generation

viewed the Kennedys. They seemed--and were--young and optimistic, especially compared to George and Barbara.

I was so starstruck about meeting Hillary at a rally in 1992 that I got back in the receiving line so that I could shake her hand again.

Now I just see two Republicans in a donkey suit.

[Basement Beat]

59. This is truly bizarre as all hell.

Didn't think I hear suggestions of voter suppression come from the left. Or even preventing those damn pesky independents from coming along.
I assumed that the larger the turnout, the better chance of a left leaning candidate winning over the right.

[mcar]

60. An excellent question

[JSup]

61. Because...

...the powers that be no longer need the system and are using their puppets on the right and left to destroy it so they can replace it with something even more 'fun'.

[mia]

63. Outsiders aren't allowed to play the insiders' games.

[Cowpunk]

65. Why do Hillary supporters keep implying a similarity between the Sanders and Trump campaigns?

One starts to get the feeling that there is a coordinated effort to do so.

[1StrongBlackMan]

66. Although I am not a supporter of HRC ...

have you not noticed that the trump campaign is making a big point that "the system is rigged" and the republican party is acting "against the will of the (republican) voters"?

Then, go here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280

[Cowpunk]

68. Sorry if I assumed too much about you.

Still, I am curious what your motive is for asking this question. Would you care to explain?

[Romulox]

71. You didn't. He just thinks he's coy. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. I was just noting the similarities of talking points.

[Romulox]

70. Lololololol. nt

[DrDan]

67. they sure do, don't they. Do you think there might be a similar

alignment for some BS-voters after Hillary secures the nomination? I think there will be.

[treestar]

80. People on the extremes in a minority who find they are not persuasive

Have to believe this to believe they are actually in the majority and being victimized. The People haven't been convinced and rather than try, just play victim.

[Bleacher Creature]

82. Anger is the common theme of both campaigns.

The problem is that a lot of that anger is directed at the Obama administration. I'm mostly amused when I hear it from Trump.

The other side . . . not so much.

[HughLefty1]

85. Actually the Hillary campaign talking points track closely to the Bushes

if you ask me.

Pro War, Third Way Establishment

[20score]

86. Better question. Why are half-bright people always convinced they're clever?

[1StrongBlackMan]

87. Perhaps, it's the half-bright part ...

your post is a great example of someone who is half-bright, convinced they are clever.

[20score]

91. I stand corrected! Repeating an insult is the absolute pinnacle of brilliance!

[1StrongBlackMan]

92. So you recognize your post to be an insult ...

Fantastic ... we're making progress towards civil discourse!

[GreatGazoo]

88. Trump has talking points?!

Seems like he just says whatever.

Ted Cruz's wife also works for Goldman Sachs so Cruz vs Clinton is a guaranteed win for GS.

[Bobbie Jo]

90. Astute observation

K&R

[ieoeja]

95. Amazing how much Hillary's and Trump's campaigns sound the same.

"Free stuff."

"Liberals are just using African-Americans." Rightwingers have been pushing that wedge for decades.

"We can't afford healthcare."

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. HRC's campaign sounds NOTHING like trumps campaign.

And,

Liberals are just using African-Americans.

That would be the Bernie camp saying that, only they substitute in the terms, "HRC" or "Democrats"