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angrychair

(8,698 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:03 PM Apr 2016

I'm proud of my candidate. Can you honestly say the same?

Hosting an event that 99%+ of Americans could not afford to attend nor would be invited, in which almost the entire guest list consists of multimillionaires and multibillionaires, in a multimillionaire's home, in which access to an invitation to that event is likely very exclusive and very limited, for the purpose of racking in millions for her campaign and SuperPACs, while Sanders is at an international conference on income inequality, makes Sanders case for him.
I will no longer choose the lesser of two bad choices, I choose the best candidate, Bernie Sanders.

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I'm proud of my candidate. Can you honestly say the same? (Original Post) angrychair Apr 2016 OP
Amen..... daleanime Apr 2016 #1
Yes I can! bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #2
Kickin' Faux pas Apr 2016 #3
Yes apcalc Apr 2016 #4
You could hear something over the white noise machine? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #13
With all due respect angrychair Apr 2016 #20
Agreed Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #34
she's spending the morning with Latino voters in Harlem housing projects. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5
"Apparently Sanders supporters look down on that sort of thing." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #9
Really angrychair Apr 2016 #22
maybe she isn't the cartoon you imagine her to be nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #26
Sorry, geek angrychair Apr 2016 #41
Once again you completely ignore her spending geek tragedy Apr 2016 #43
Sure they do...to us. Did she take the subway again to get there? jmg257 Apr 2016 #52
did Bernie spend time talking to a single regular New Yorker geek tragedy Apr 2016 #54
Sure - *30,000 or so at a time. (*Crowd estimates vary) jmg257 Apr 2016 #55
that's not talking with people, that's giving a speech and talking at them nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #56
Do you really want to talk about speeches??? jmg257 Apr 2016 #58
I'll take that as a no, Bernie Sanders hasn't geek tragedy Apr 2016 #59
Comment withdrawn in respect of HRC & the Zadroga Bill. jmg257 Apr 2016 #60
you are obviously not a New Yorker geek tragedy Apr 2016 #61
Not NYC no. (And certainly not a Hill fan). jmg257 Apr 2016 #62
oh, so this is just the inferiority complex some upstaters geek tragedy Apr 2016 #64
Inferiority complex? Ya lost me there. So not sure jmg257 Apr 2016 #65
gotcha, Zadroga act has been a huge deal here. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #66
Thanks. I will withdraw any derogatory comment then. jmg257 Apr 2016 #67
the plumes of smoke wound up blowing over our neighborhood geek tragedy Apr 2016 #68
Yeap, she's tough as nails and doesn't vote to give corporations immunity from lawsuits and has uponit7771 Apr 2016 #6
What? LOL Kittycat Apr 2016 #12
More hearsay, Republicans hate Hillary uponit7771 Apr 2016 #14
That's not hearsay, and I'm further left than Clinton, but thanks for playing. Kittycat Apr 2016 #17
It is hearsay from Warren, the reason Sanders can't use it cause she's not taking sides uponit7771 Apr 2016 #33
LMAO /nt jack_krass Apr 2016 #32
Hey, if a car co. was sued for each accident we would't be driving cars! angstlessk Apr 2016 #35
Cause the car companies are into making a dangerous product more dangerous or not even uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37
I can....mine is Bernie. Punkingal Apr 2016 #7
Very proud to support Clinton and proud of what she represents. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #8
Cool angrychair Apr 2016 #23
"Like when she went to CA to to hang with other multimillionaires and multibillionaires" NCTraveler Apr 2016 #25
First, no angrychair Apr 2016 #36
Yes he is he has millions in assets, he's a 5% earner too... facts are facts uponit7771 Apr 2016 #39
No, he doesn't angrychair Apr 2016 #45
Love it. Also love how you ignored the issue you yourself brought up. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #40
Not following you NC angrychair Apr 2016 #42
Pretty simple. The only issue you mentioned in your first reply was.... NCTraveler Apr 2016 #46
But Sanders brings Podium Bird along with him when he meets with millionaires so... there... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #38
It's like having Jesus in the room. That is why it's good for Sanders and bad for Clinton. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #48
Yes! nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #10
Um, you know...the same can be said for an invite to the Vatican. randome Apr 2016 #11
It's purpose and objective angrychair Apr 2016 #29
I was wondering if Bernie was in the general how much would you be willing to chip in upaloopa Apr 2016 #15
"I hate money, unless I have it" Tarc Apr 2016 #16
Will the food servers get a 20% tip? Impedimentus Apr 2016 #18
Yes, I can. She's a remarkable woman and a formidable candidate. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #19
Elizabeth Warren isn't running. bvf Apr 2016 #44
Yes. I understand perfectly. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #47
Just checking. bvf Apr 2016 #50
I think you can expect a little sarcasm when you imply that I don't know who my candidate is. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #57
Well, that was completely uncalled for. bvf Apr 2016 #69
YES I CAN! merrily Apr 2016 #21
YES. I am done with the lesser of two evils, and that goes for the GE too. Avalux Apr 2016 #24
Yes I can. I support Bernie Sanders. eom DookDook Apr 2016 #27
yes! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #28
Hillary Clinton is an amazing, dedicated, brilliant, determined public servant kennetha Apr 2016 #30
I'm not particularly proud of any candidate. NobodyHere Apr 2016 #31
I've never been prouder of Hillary. She is a world class leader and the first woman BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #49
Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the field Gothmog Apr 2016 #51
I am proud to have 2 extremely good candidates on the Dem side. nt cry baby Apr 2016 #53
Yep. NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #63

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
20. With all due respect
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

You have a right to your choice but not facts.
I have watched the entire NY debate now, 3 times, with a critical eye,"brilliant" is not the descriptor I would use for HRC's performance. She had her good moments and Sanders had some rough spots but on the aggregate, Sanders scored higher and finished much stronger.

Then she went to CA to to hang with other multimillionaires and multibillionaires, like herself, to do whatever it is they do...swim in pools filled with hundred dollar bills and laugh at poor people I suppose.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. she's spending the morning with Latino voters in Harlem housing projects.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

So yeah pretty proud of that.

Apparently Sanders supporters look down on that sort of thing.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
22. Really
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

Then she went to CA to to hang with other multimillionaires and multibillionaires, like herself, to do whatever it is they do, talk about how great it is to be rich and richsplan why poor people don't get how the real world works?
Or as an HRC supporter on this site stated, "they would be happier in a local community college, with people more like them than in regular 4 year college and universities."

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
41. Sorry, geek
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

Despite what you think, I don't hate her or want to disparage the good she has done in her life.

That said, I do have serious concerns regarding her judgment. Education, experience and accomplishments are great but her judgment is, to put it mildly, poor.
From Whitewater to the email server, even if no laws were broken, her judgment was poor. The decisions she made that got her involved with any number of situations were shockingly poor decisions.
Even this event in CA. She is going to hang out and party with millionaires, in a millionaire's mansion and rack in millions for her SuperPACs at the very same moment her opponent in a very tight race, is at a significant international conference on income inequality. You don't think the optics are poor? If that is what she needs to do, fine, so be it, but wait until after Sanders is back and maybe after NY is over, before doing it. Bad decisions make me question her judgment. If I can't trust her judgment, I cannot trust her with my vote to be president.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
43. Once again you completely ignore her spending
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

time with voters in the housing projects of East Harlem.

Do those people not count?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
52. Sure they do...to us. Did she take the subway again to get there?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

Can't wait till she starts milking cows upstate...to show what a woman of the people she is.

AFTER the Bay Area shin-digs, of course.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
58. Do you really want to talk about speeches???
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

transcripts, like tax returns and illegal guns from VT- any day now.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
59. I'll take that as a no, Bernie Sanders hasn't
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

been within 10 feet of a regular New Yorker in 48 years.

Thx

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
62. Not NYC no. (And certainly not a Hill fan).
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:05 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe I'll run into her when she's milking them cows, or picking apples. Or ???

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
64. oh, so this is just the inferiority complex some upstaters
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

have

gotcha

(full disclosure: my wife has family in upstate, and most people up there don't have your attitude)

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
65. Inferiority complex? Ya lost me there. So not sure
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

Just what attitude you are referring to?

Ah...sorry - should have been "Hill fan", not Nyc- lots of work on Broadway.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
66. gotcha, Zadroga act has been a huge deal here.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

She really did go to bat for the city after 911. And she didn't stop after she resigned as Senator either.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
67. Thanks. I will withdraw any derogatory comment then.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

My SIL went down (nurse) and told us about the people at the site and how bad the air was etc. and how hard it was to get them to even wear gas masks.

Your point is accepted and understood.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
68. the plumes of smoke wound up blowing over our neighborhood
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

in Brooklyn. we could smell jet fuel and god knows what else.

I can't imagine what the first responders endured.

Zadroga act only got permanently renewed in 2015. After first responders had to limp and get wheeled through the halls of Congress while in their dying days to shame those motherfucking Republicans into action. For years.



uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
6. Yeap, she's tough as nails and doesn't vote to give corporations immunity from lawsuits and has
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

... said multiple times in her career that she wish she could take back some votes.

Way better than the Podium Bird Chosen One

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
12. What? LOL
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1742532

reposting (just an example of course).

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/30/hillary-clinton-ubs-tax-evasion-settlement-foundation

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/272396-the-clintons-and-the-sordid-ubs-affair

The story, as originally recounted by James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus of The Wall Street Journal, was, of itself, deeply troubling. In March 2009, after meeting with Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton intervened with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on behalf of Switzerland's most powerful banking institution, UBS. The IRS, which at that time was seeking the identity of wealthy Americans who had stashed some $20 billion in 52,000 tax evading UBS accounts, then agreed that the Swiss bank need only turn over information on 4,450 accounts. Afterwards, UBS increased its previous $60,000 in donations to the Clinton Foundation ten-fold. By the end of 2014, UBS donations to the Clinton Foundation totaled $600,000. UBS also "paid former President Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House."

Those facts, of themselves, raise disturbing questions. Did a bank that still ranks as "the world's biggest wealth manager" and has at its disposal a bevy of economists and law firms have a legitimate reason for paying Bill Clinton $1.5 million in speaking fees? Or was the $1.5 million and the tenfold increase in Clinton Foundation donations a reward for the former secretary of State's intervention? If the latter, that reward would have, under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 201(c)(1)(A)), amounted to an illicit bribe.

-snip-

In exchange for the "deferred prosecution" of criminal fraud charges, UBS paid $780 million in fines and restitution, agreed to cease the illegal cross-border practice and "to immediately provide the United States government with the identities of, and account information for, certain United States customers of UBS's cross-border business," according to the DoJ press release.

When UBS, which could have lost its ability to conduct business in the U.S. if successfully prosecuted, balked at the IRS demand that it turn over information for all 52,000 accounts, the IRS filed a legal action seeking to compel disclosure. That is when, at the behest of the Swiss government, Hillary Clinton stepped in to negotiate a deal that prevented the IRS from gaining access to more than 91 percent of the illicit, tax-evading offshore accounts.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
17. That's not hearsay, and I'm further left than Clinton, but thanks for playing.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

This is what she did, and just because - that's what happened next.

ETA: if you want to talk about Republicans, you may want to ask your candidate, why she's using republican talking points now, and quoting her Republican loving Dad. "free stuff" She should be ashamed of herself.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
35. Hey, if a car co. was sued for each accident we would't be driving cars!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

Though I would LOVE to be more like Australia (no guns, without a license & a reason) The law does not grant blanket immunity..

Like car makers, gun makers can be sued for selling a defective product. The problem is that gun violence victims often want to hold gun makers liable for the criminal misuse of a properly functioning product."

In other words: If you aim and fire a gun at an attacker, it's doing what it was intended to do. If it explodes while you shoot and hurts you, though, then you can sue the manufacturer. Likewise, if you had told the gun-store owner you planned to commit a crime with that gun, your victim could potentially sue.


uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
37. Cause the car companies are into making a dangerous product more dangerous or not even
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

... trying to make it safer?!

Yeap, most of the retort on Sanders vote has been sophistry and excuses...

Mr "Burn Everyone On Wall Street" but save the gumper corps...

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. Very proud to support Clinton and proud of what she represents.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

These are great times to be a democrat.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
23. Cool
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

Like when she went to CA to to hang with other multimillionaires and multibillionaires, like herself, to do whatever it is they do, talk about how great it is to be rich and richsplan why poor people don't get how the real world works?
Or as an HRC supporter on this site stated, "they would be happier in a local community college, with people more like them than in regular 4 year college and universities."

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. "Like when she went to CA to to hang with other multimillionaires and multibillionaires"
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

Absolutely no issue with that at all. You do know Sanders himself falls in the multimillionaire category, right? You do know Sanders has had meetings with multimillionaire after multimillionaire, right?

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
36. First, no
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:47 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders is not a multimillionaire.
According to CNN Money, the retirement nest egg him and Jane have likely built up in 40+ years of working is rather large but he is not getting that money all at once nor is it accessible in the conventional sense.
Calculating in his retirement accounts or home value is ridiculous and a desperate reach in comparison to the millions and millions of dollars flowing through the hands of your candidate for 30 minute speeches that she refuses to let us read.

http://time.com/money/4235986/bernie-sanders-millionaire-finances/

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
45. No, he doesn't
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

There is is a big difference between realized earnings and net worth. A retirement account is an annualized payment, achieved once that person has retired. There is no "lump sum" payable to the retiree nor is it realized earnings.
Again, he didn't become a millionaire on 20 minute speeches, to criminal organizations like Goldman Sachs ( http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0X81TI ) that no one is allowed to read.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
40. Love it. Also love how you ignored the issue you yourself brought up.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

The attempts at justification for arguments around here is flat out awesome.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
46. Pretty simple. The only issue you mentioned in your first reply was....
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton hanging out with multimillionaires. We both know Sanders meets with multimillionaires every single day. That must drive you crazy since it is a huge point as to how you view peoples character. You completely glossed over that. By the way, I am correct on both of my points no matter how you attempt to spin them.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
38. But Sanders brings Podium Bird along with him when he meets with millionaires so... there...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

... /sarcasm

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
48. It's like having Jesus in the room. That is why it's good for Sanders and bad for Clinton.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

With the bird and Sanders I guess that makes two prophets.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Um, you know...the same can be said for an invite to the Vatican.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

Does that happen to 'normal' people?

Besides, you may have too much invested in personalities to be proud of someone you don't personally know. I'm not proud of either candidate, they simply are two people vying for the same job.
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angrychair

(8,698 posts)
29. It's purpose and objective
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

You don't change the world for the better by sitting in front of a computer screen or standing behind a podium, you change the world for the better by going into it with a humble heart and an open mind.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
15. I was wondering if Bernie was in the general how much would you be willing to chip in
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

against the billionaires that would be funding his opposition?

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
57. I think you can expect a little sarcasm when you imply that I don't know who my candidate is.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

YMMV.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
69. Well, that was completely uncalled for.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

I really don't believe most Clinton supporters know who their candidate is.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
24. YES. I am done with the lesser of two evils, and that goes for the GE too.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

If Hillary's ends up as the nominee, I will vote my conscience.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
30. Hillary Clinton is an amazing, dedicated, brilliant, determined public servant
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:33 PM
Apr 2016

She will be a GREAT and consequential president. As the first democrat to follow another two term democrat in over sixty years, she will be well positioned to consolidate Barack Obama's legacy, protect it from Republican reaction, and move the ball forward on down the line even further.

Democrats should stand behind her and get past this primary. Bernie has had his day and his say. Time to move on.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
49. I've never been prouder of Hillary. She is a world class leader and the first woman
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

to make it this far in American politics. She is a fascinating, dynamic woman and yes I'm proud as hell of her.

Gothmog

(145,176 posts)
51. Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the field
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

I am proud that she will be the Democratic nominee

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