2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumExecs at MSNBC really are demanding hillary fluff at every mention of Bernie Sanders.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Remember that one?
frylock
(34,825 posts)You'd think people would get tired of being so monumentally wrong, but here we are.
QC
(26,371 posts)when the HRC fan club would be allowed to drive off the other 90% of DU and the world would be put right again.
It's kind of like all those Jehovah's Witness predictions of the end of the world.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)It's just killing them that Sanders has massively skewered her in the last 8 contests.
Hopefully NY tells them "You've been served" and brings them Hillary forked on a platter.
QC
(26,371 posts)given the frenzy among her fans, to say nothing of last night's performance.
A confident campaign doesn't act this way.
actually Tuesday.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)into the White House
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)ALL of the other candidates, for different reasons, represent an interruption to the Status Quo.
In the case of Drumpf and Cruz., that means complete destruction of the planet, possibly, and in the case of Bernie it means an inconvenience to the one percent.
In Hillary's case it also means keeping sanity in many areas, but clearly Bernie is not who the establishment wants.
Wordslinger
(2 posts)Bernie represents voters who feel completely disenfranchised by Washington DC and who are deadset against the establishment.
Hillary IS the establishment -- First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State. She pushed to overthrow Saddam -- the result? Chaos and disaster for Iraq and the United States. She pushed to overthrow Gaddafi. The result? Chaos and disaster for Libya and the United States. Now name a war we've fought since Vietnam that Hillary was against .... I thought so. Crickets.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He's been getting a big check from We The People for 25 years. He has many votes that can hardly be called anti establishment.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)It's part of the reason voters other than millenials prefer HRC by a large margin- he has become more unhinged as the campaign wears on.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)If he's "unhinged", then Hillary is complete off the reservation in her derangement!
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
I find it humerous how fast and often certain users are always jumping on the posts, like there is a competition.
It seems to be 5 SBS and 12 HRC users doing it.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I saw this piece this morning. The headline plainly doesn't agree with the facts. So when people scan the headlines they get a distorted view about what happened. There have been dozens and dozens of these during the campaign. So it's not just TV that's shilling for hil. There is no excuse for a headline like this on this story. The facts do not support it.
Clinton and Sanders both staged huge New York rallies on the same night
Associated Press
Ken Thomas and Catherine Lucey, Associated Press
Sanders' campaign said his rally in Manhattan's Washington Square Park brought out 27,000 people, one of the largest gatherings in support of the 74-year-old democratic socialist who has galvanized Democrats and independents alike with his calls for reforms to corporate America and remedies for income inequality.
http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-sanders-host-new-york-rallies-2016-4
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)27k for Bernie 1,300 for Clinton...both HUGE. Bullshit!
Merryland
(1,134 posts)and I would have quit if editors ordered me to write crap. I understand that people need jobs, but to be a fucking hack? never. they are not journalists, they are tools.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)but it only adds fuel to the Bern!!!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)I stopped watching MSNBClinton about four months ago ... I really haven't missed it at all.
Mrs. Clinton is such a flawed and inadequate candidate that she needs all the favoritism she can get.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Oh that's good. I'm stealing!
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)Who is friendlier to big business' bottom line, and who cares about us?
Shows how much we need Bernie when MSM is doing this, what happened to objective news reporting?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)which owns NBC has given millions to Hillary and Bill over the years... and none to Sanders.
All in it together
(275 posts)Bye to MHP and Ed Shultz.
I question those remaining.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)would make most people report as they are told.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)People are so slow to recognize it. I wonder when they will. How bad does it have to get.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)and Comcast and its executives have given a lot of money to both Hillary and Bill over the years. So, if anyone thinks that this is a crazy conspiracy theory from Bernie supporters, please ask yourself why people who have invested money into Hillary wouldn't try to protect their investment.
think
(11,641 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)to anyone with a functioning brain who lacks a portfolio.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)livetohike
(22,140 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)It's here and all around. Not enough for you I guess.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Yippee for alternative media. I am almost grateful this happened so that I was forced into new to me media. Thank you to all who make it possible for us the receive 'news'!!!!!
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)If more people simply said what's going on, less of it would happen.
I'd love to hear some people in Congress (besides Clyburn) or super delegates tell us about how they were threatened or what bribes they were offered by the Clintons. We know there is a hit list, but specific reports would help to clean it up in the future.
QC
(26,371 posts)because he wouldn't cheerlead Bush's war in Iraq like the other on air "talent"?
We talked about it a lot here when it happened.
There's ample precedent for MSNBC playing politics.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)will be bernie or trump,they are the ones committed to draining the swamp, whether we like it or not.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Excellent metaphor!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Why anybody would take anything he says seriously is beyond me.
The Old Lie
(123 posts)You just committed libel.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)It also screams character assassination failure... probably has something to do with an utter lack of supporting anything that isn't merely your opinion.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Come into a thread, make a statement without providing any proof, then refuse to answer any questions. It is tiresome, truly.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)That's why he's so popular with young people. Even when he's on the TV screen, it's someone else speaking over him.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)And it keeps screwing the American public.
WhenTheLeveeBreaks
(55 posts)1) They really, really, really like Hillary (this means supporting her policies), or,
2) They want to keep a Democrat in the White House and they believe Hillary is the best, if not the only, chance to accomplish that goal?
I believe it is number 2 as I see no historical record that shows they love Hillary. As a matter of fact, they turned on Hillary in '08 and I see no reason they would come to love her now. As a matter of fact I think most people have tired of the Clintons and their shtick.
If this is true, to argue against this, Bernie/supporters must be able to create a narrative that Bernie has appeal outside of the liberal half of the Democratic Party. And no, polls 6 months out don't do that. Hell, polls commenting on next weeks primary may be way off.
If the Democratic establishment, the main stream media and the super delegates continue to believe Bernie cannot win the general, Bernie supporters are howling at the moon.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Bc they will talk shit about her 24/7 if she's the nominee. Which means ratings.
And if the g e popular vote hAppens to go her way against their wishes, they still can work with her.
PufPuf23
(8,770 posts)Personally, I backed into Sanders as I was going to support anyone not named Hillary Clinton in the Democratic slate of candidates; that said, there are many aspects I do like about Sanders, specifically his take on issues and relative lack of character issues.
If Hillary Clinton loses the general election, teeth will gnash and the Sanders supporters will be blamed and in this case they may well be partially to blame.
The Democratic establishment blew it by selecting a candidate with so may negatives with voting public prior to considering a full Democratic field.
If Hillary Clinton wins, there will be Democrats that will immediately look forward to a primary challenge in 2020.
Regardless, Hillary Clinton will be a status quo rather than transformative POTUS and her time in office will pale compared to POTUS Obama.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)I don't agree with this little part, that is blaming the victims. They endured so much slander, hate, bias, lies, propaganda, electioneering, that the independents that came to the Democrats have no blame for leaving, the Democrats that supported Bernie also are innocent since they have don their best to avoid RNC talking points. They are not spamming the airwaves with popegate, standgate, taxgate, raceggate, gungate, cubagate, fingerwaggate, and so on...
If Hillary Clinton loses the general election, teeth will gnash and the Sanders supporters will be blamed and in this case they may well be partially to blame.
The Democratic establishment blew it by selecting a candidate with so may negatives with voting public prior to considering a full Democratic field.
If Hillary Clinton wins, there will be Democrats that will immediately look forward to a primary challenge in 2020.
Sadly the second part is 100% likely.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Our climate, among other issues, is going south in a big way. We must act NOW! There is no time to waste.
Ino
(3,366 posts)Her power will be even more entrenched, and NO ONE will dare cross her.
PufPuf23
(8,770 posts)a successful 2020 primary to remove Clinton from office either.
I unfortunately believe it probable that Clinton is the 2016 Democratic POTUS nominee.
I also think that Hillary Clinton is the most likely to lose to the GOP in 2016 than Sanders or about any other Democratic nominee.
If Hillary Clinton is nominated then elected POTUS many good Democrats will hold a grudge and hers would be a weakened POTUS and there will be a weakened Congress for the Democrats because people will not go to the polls this Fall.
I don't like this and I am angry at the Democratic establishment that deliberately created the situation.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Hundreds of millions of campaign and super PAC dollars spent on political ads. The cable news companies know who butters their bread.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)I doubt that what's reported is true, but if so, perhaps it will establish a bit of balance in MSNBC's prime campaign coverage.
...doubt that what's reported is true because I no longer believe a word these people say.
glinda
(14,807 posts)arikara
(5,562 posts)Last night they were going on about his huge rally, of course reporting the numbers way lower but at least admitting that his rally was bigger than Obama's. But their ridiculous spin on it was that it was Bernie's "swan song".
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)I don't have cable, but can stream from a couple of sources. The first 'channel' I found was FILLED with pharmaceuticals. insurance companies, and law firms. Thankfully I found one that just shows bios of hosts instead.
I worked in advertising for a brief stint as a media buyer. The companies that place ads get lots of 'free stuff', especially if a client doesn't like the content of the show.
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mariawr
(348 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Its a time honored trade in the porn industry.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Anyone who makes fun of it as if it's some far out conspiracy theory is an idiot.
Either that or they're just really bad liars pretending they don't know what's going on which everyone should because we all lived through the Bush years so we all know this is reality.