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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:15 PM Apr 2016

My brother and mother DIED because of healthcare system. Sorry if I don't get offended by a word.

I won't go into details. Suffice it to say that they both had "adequate coverage" but were denied the actual coverage that could have saved them because of our fucked up healthcare and insurance system and the mandates involved in it. In both cases their deaths were needless.

So if some guy uses the phrase "corporate whore" to refer to politicians who perpetuate that crappy system, I don't much care.

Please get back to your high dudgeon because of the "sexism" of some goddamn guy who gave a very short speech at some political rally.

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My brother and mother DIED because of healthcare system. Sorry if I don't get offended by a word. (Original Post) Armstead Apr 2016 OP
President Obama's mother died because of our healthcare system, too. senz Apr 2016 #1
Time heals all wounds, but this brouhaha really pisses me off Armstead Apr 2016 #4
NPR, another pro-Hillary network, did it too. senz Apr 2016 #11
45000 Americans die prematurely every year My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #2
I remember Armstead. blm Apr 2016 #3
Thanks....Unfortunately it is not an unusual experience Armstead Apr 2016 #23
Well said. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #5
I wish they'd get as worked up about something..like actually fixing the system Armstead Apr 2016 #8
Absolutely agree. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #15
they are all worked up about winning....and they think that this tactic works. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #19
Yup Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #36
I'm sorry for your losses. Punkingal Apr 2016 #6
It's been a while but I still get pissed when I think about what we allow Armstead Apr 2016 #14
Of course you do. Punkingal Apr 2016 #28
sorry for your loss...it happens everyday questionseverything Apr 2016 #7
Thanks...You're right. Life and Death are not market commodities. Armstead Apr 2016 #9
My mom's insurance switched to mammograms every two years TheFarseer Apr 2016 #10
It is beyond my comprehension why people resist actual reform of these things Armstead Apr 2016 #12
Sincerely sorry about your mother and brother, Armstead. democrank Apr 2016 #13
Yep. Today is a perfect illustration Armstead Apr 2016 #16
. tk2kewl Apr 2016 #17
Two of millions Armstead Apr 2016 #18
yes tk2kewl Apr 2016 #21
Agreed MuseRider Apr 2016 #20
Honestly, I understand why some would be upset. He shouldn't have used the word. Armstead Apr 2016 #22
Exactly, again :-) MuseRider Apr 2016 #27
I am so sorry for you losses me b zola Apr 2016 #24
Sorry for your experience...No one should be placed in these positions Armstead Apr 2016 #25
I dare any of the faux outraged to come on this thread and speak to you riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #26
Thanks...I don't want to milk it because unfortunately it is not an isolated experience Armstead Apr 2016 #30
I am so very sorry about your mom and brother. merrily Apr 2016 #29
Meanwhile the bigwigs at that pharma company probably bought their third mansion with the profits Armstead Apr 2016 #33
I am sorry about your mom and brother. I think a lot of us have lost loved ones too early because bettyellen Apr 2016 #31
Thanks...I wish it weren't so common Armstead Apr 2016 #32
It has always been this for the working class here. I am grateful I can be insured now at all.... bettyellen Apr 2016 #35
So sorry to hear that Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #34
You know why they attacked this Dr? glowing Apr 2016 #37
+100000 Armstead Apr 2016 #39
+1000000 shanine Apr 2016 #38
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
1. President Obama's mother died because of our healthcare system, too.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

But I am sorry for your loss, Armstead. I think they'd both be proud of you for fighting an unjust system.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. Time heals all wounds, but this brouhaha really pisses me off
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

Especially since MSNBC is fluffing up the "gaffe" as I type.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
11. NPR, another pro-Hillary network, did it too.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

A massive distraction designed to dirty up Bernie's image.

It's a deliberate campaign tactic.

blm

(113,057 posts)
3. I remember Armstead.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

This is just another convenient battle the nitpickers have found as both sides have been doing FAR TOO MUCH, lately.

I do remember what you have been through, and what many of us have gone through and shared here. There are SUCH BIGGER ISSUES being passed over for this 'outrage of the day' tit for tat going on here.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
19. they are all worked up about winning....and they think that this tactic works.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

I am beginning to believe that power is all that they care about.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
7. sorry for your loss...it happens everyday
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

somethings are just too important for capitalism, healthcare is one of those things

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
10. My mom's insurance switched to mammograms every two years
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

Instead of every year. Luckily my parents had the cash to get one anyway and guess what? They found something and were able to cut it out as it was stage 1. If she had been forced to wait a year, she'd be dead!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
12. It is beyond my comprehension why people resist actual reform of these things
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

I'm glad it worked out for your mother.

democrank

(11,094 posts)
13. Sincerely sorry about your mother and brother, Armstead.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

Most days I`m shocked at the outrage here over a supporter`s comments at the same time so many are silent over the most profound issues....like war and unaffordable healthcare. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
21. yes
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

my family is extremely fortunate to have good insurance... without it my wife would be among those millions or we would be bankrupt

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
20. Agreed
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

that is all that need be said.

*except for this, I personally do not like the casual use of this word and as a female I do feel like it is directed at women much more than just anyone no matter how much it is used but would spend no time on this issue now because it was just someone involved in introducing Sanders

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
22. Honestly, I understand why some would be upset. He shouldn't have used the word.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

But using that to deflect the debate from the real issues.....

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
27. Exactly, again :-)
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

I can be outraged at the use but move past the deflection over a word that would never even have been noticed by most of those who are now screaming foul. Many of us would always call that word out to be silenced by those who are now screaming. Let them scream. This is not an unimportant issue but in this case it is so disingenuous as to make it not even worth talking about.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
24. I am so sorry for you losses
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016


I do not have any coverage but I do have some challenging health issues, and right now I'm walking a tight-rope. My husband wants to spend lots of money that we don't have in the hopes that I will get the treatment that I need, but there is no guarantee that if we spend tons of money that I will be helped. I'm just not going to have him lose what little he has on an outside chance that it will make me better.

So forgive me if I don't care about the feelings of politicians who are called names for serving their own interest at the expense of the lives of human beings.
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
26. I dare any of the faux outraged to come on this thread and speak to you
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

I'm so sorry for your losses...



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
30. Thanks...I don't want to milk it because unfortunately it is not an isolated experience
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

But I wish the faux outraged would just STFU about the use of a word in the wrong venue.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. I am so very sorry about your mom and brother.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

The death of any parent or sibling sucks, but when it was avoidable, it's twice as bad.

I know a young AIDS victim who died because, at one point, he had to choose between paying rent and buying medication and he paid the rent.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
33. Meanwhile the bigwigs at that pharma company probably bought their third mansion with the profits
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. I am sorry about your mom and brother. I think a lot of us have lost loved ones too early because
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

of the inadequacies of the system, I know I have as well. I wish you peace.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. It has always been this for the working class here. I am grateful I can be insured now at all....
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

as I would not have been with pre- existing, and I am freelancing these days. I think that is one great change, but the whole country needs to realign their priorities. Congress has to catch up with the rest of the nation, they have been screwing us all for way too long.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
37. You know why they attacked this Dr?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

He has incredibly close connection; personal family history of his wife's family being helped specifically by President Clinton with North Korea... The fact that he is an oncologist who treats patients having to deal with the tricky costs of the "insurance game". Watching those who should be ONLY focused on their health and focusing on the fight to get better, stress over the financial strains that fighting cancer costs. Watching before the ACA, as patients reached a lifetime cap, watching as insurance companies refused to approve paying for treatments that the Drs thought best for their patients, watching as people still now, with the ACA, struggle to meet co-pays and deductibles and that these thresholds re-set every year.

He's been on the frontline in the movement for bringing about changes to the delivery of healthcare to people for nearly 10yrs. And I would also use the term corporate whores when it comes to people like Senator Bachus who refused to entertain the idea of even the Public Option (which we see would have helped out these red states whose Governors and state legislatures refuse to opt into the expanded Medicaid package).

Hillary wasn't even in the Senate at that time to know how or what she would have supported? The fact that she doesn't believe that America has the ability to make affordable health care access a natural right for our citizens, coupled with the fact that she has had corporate donations from Big Pharma, insurance companies, and private hospital groups, is rather telling as to why she doesn't support a single-payer, Medicare for all type of health care delivery.

I appreciate the Dr's apology to people who are or became "offended" by his terminology of our bought out politicians who supposedly are representing the "will of the people". We all know the reality of the situation regarding money in politics. Before Citizen's United was ruled on by the right-wing Supreme Court, it was bad. Lobbyists bundling campaign contributions for politicians, a revolving door between the lobbyists and the representatives office staffs, coupled with the industries essentially writing policy laws to favor themselves the most and being presented for passage in the halls of congress, we're all horribly corrupt. We used to have pictures of varying politicians standing in a suit with corporate logos sticking on them. People would say, they should just
Be like NASCAR drivers and wear their sponsors on their sleeves. Massive amounts of people wouldn't even engage in the political process of voting because they felt it didn't matter and everyone was screwing them over.

And now, we have the Super Pacs. Basically, more money in the political process. More ways in which the voice of the many are silenced by the few with wealth, privilege, and direct access to our representative's ear. Even after a politician has left office, they are scooped up into lobbying firms, bank boards, various other large corporations like media, Big Pharms, oil & gas, Hedge Funds, etc.

All along the Clinton's close ties to insider politics, large corporations and industry providing millions to Super Pacs, along with the fact that the family also has the Clinton Global Initiative that allows people and countries around the world the ability to "donate" to the Foundation. Politicians accepting outside of country contributions is illegal; treasonous. However, the Foundation is a means for outside of country influence to fund the Clintons. And yes, the organization does good works, but the ability for the Chinese or the Saudis or any number of countries to place millions of dollars into the fund, and looking at the "pay back" to those same countries while at State, is more than a little daunting.

And because we are in primary season and people have their "candidate"; do or die, we see that somehow the narrative about money in politics has been flipped on its head. Now those lobbyists are just regular, normal constituents. Now those Super Pacs are "just leveling the playing field" with Republicans and don't really mean those donors expect something in return. And any look at the workings of the Clinton Foundation is an attack on her being a woman. I'm sure that's what all our fore sisters fought for when they wanted to vote; an equal place at the money trough within politics.

Anyway, at some point, Democrats may actually go back to agreeing that money in politics the way it is now is obscene and has created an oligarchy of America...

shanine

(354 posts)
38. +1000000
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

Thank you, Armstead for sharing this.
It is unfucking believable that people do not "get" this or do not care.
Unless and until it happens to them.

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