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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:41 AM Apr 2016

Bernie's real delegate target in NY is...

135 of 247 available (Roughly equivalent to a 55-45 win)!

Math is simple. 538 target to be on pace for the nomination is an outright win of 125 delegates. Bernie is at 92% of his target to date, which means he needs to beat his remaining targets by an average of 8%. 125 x 1.08 is 135 delegates. Anything less than that means he falls further behind.

For example:

If he finishes tied with Clinton, he falls another 22-24 delegates behind in the nomination race (He underperforms where he needs to be by 11 - 12 delegates while Clinton over-performs by the same amount)

If he loses by 5% that becomes a 36-38 delegate gap

If he loses by 10% that is a 48-50 delegate gap


Bernie can't afford moral victories anymore. NY is not just a must win, he needs to win convincingly to have any viable path other than having to win California by a ridiculous margin of 60% or more.

Targets found at http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

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Bernie's real delegate target in NY is... (Original Post) Godhumor Apr 2016 OP
This will be fun to watch. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #1
Sounds doable, with all those new (young) voters registered and ready to vote. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #2
"ready to vote" and actually voting are two different things DrDan Apr 2016 #3
Sanders has never had an enthousiasm problem among Millennials. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #4
enthusiasm perhaps, but in Iowa 18% voting were under 30 DrDan Apr 2016 #7
And with the registration cut off, NY is likely to be even lower Godhumor Apr 2016 #8
Must be great, to feel so entitled, assured, and privileged. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #9
entitled and privileged - interesting in that every one of them could have registered and can vote DrDan Apr 2016 #12
Most people new to the process would never have imagined you'd have to Fawke Em Apr 2016 #16
I don't think that is true for new registrations DrDan Apr 2016 #17
I think that is exactly right DrDan Apr 2016 #11
Iowa was the first state to vote and Bernie is much stronger now than ever NWCorona Apr 2016 #10
If Sanders wins by 5% in NY, he has a path to win if: Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5
I'd say the chances of your scenario happening are about 1 in a 1000 Godhumor Apr 2016 #13
I give it a one in 95,000,000 chance. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #14
Excellent analysis. K & R Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #6
Why not, a bump for the weekend n/t Godhumor Apr 2016 #15
And one last bump on the eve of the primary n/t Godhumor Apr 2016 #18
All this talk of winning PDs is pointless firebrand80 Apr 2016 #19
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
2. Sounds doable, with all those new (young) voters registered and ready to vote.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

Not to mention Bill and Hillary's amazing performances in "black lives don't matter if they defend superpredators" and "CP times with Bill de Blasio".

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
4. Sanders has never had an enthousiasm problem among Millennials.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

They come out for him in droves. That's how Nevada was flipped.

You are thinking about Clinton's fleeting and sometimes never materialised support.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
7. enthusiasm perhaps, but in Iowa 18% voting were under 30
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

which is in line with off-year elections for this demographic

Presidential election years draws only 25%.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
8. And with the registration cut off, NY is likely to be even lower
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

They're touting registering 40k new voters in a state where 1.5 million to 2 million people will vote in the Democratic primary.

Even if every single one of them votes and votes for Bernie (which is a statistical impossibility), that barely registers on the scale.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
12. entitled and privileged - interesting in that every one of them could have registered and can vote
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
16. Most people new to the process would never have imagined you'd have to
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

register half a year before you vote.

Come on, now, even in red states, registration isn't that restricted.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
10. Iowa was the first state to vote and Bernie is much stronger now than ever
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

Besides until they release the real numbers I will always question the outcome of that state.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
5. If Sanders wins by 5% in NY, he has a path to win if:
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

He wins in CT, IN, WV, KY, OR, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, MT, NM, ND, SD and ties in DE, RI, GUAM, CA, and NJ. losing only MD, PA, an Wash DC.

He must win 12 of the next 20 and have huge wins (10%+) in 11 of the 21 remaining states.

If he loses NY by a mere 2%, he cannot afford another loss in any state and he'll need to flip CA into a win (not a tie).


ON THE FLIP SIDE:
If Clinton loses in NY by 1% and performs only half as well as the polls are predicting in CT, MD, and PA on Apr 26, then Sanders needs wins in CT, IN, WV, KY, OR, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, MT, NM, ND, SD, and CA and ties in DE, RI, GUAM, and NJ. losing only MD, PA, an Wash DC.

His win in CA will need to be a 10% blowout, and he'll win by 2 delegates.
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*NOTE: All of this ignores the Superdelegates. If we put the supers in play, the primary is already over.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
19. All this talk of winning PDs is pointless
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

He's already essentially moved on to the "contested convention" talking point

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