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pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:02 AM Apr 2016

2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged

“Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. senators and congress members.” – Former President Jimmy Carter

What we are witnessing — for the first time on a large scale — is the political establishment’s true role in selecting the president of the United States. The illusion of choice has become apparent. The establishment anoints their two picks for president, and the country proceeds to argue vehemently over the two candidates they are spoon-fed. This dynamic is reminiscent of a prophetic 1998 quote from philosopher Noam Chomsky:

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

http://theantimedia.org/2016-americans-realized-elections-rigged/
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2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged (Original Post) pantsonfire Apr 2016 OP
We gotta fight. Fight the powers that be. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #1
I'm ready, just give me a moment to prepare myself.... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #2
Is that actually you? highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #3
My great great grandfather....so no its not....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #4
That some will will and some lose is intrinsic to elections. Hortensis Apr 2016 #8
TOTAL UNADULTERATED BS! I AS A Candidate For U.S. House Have Been Witness To Election Shenanigans CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #10
Take a deep breath? I'm not your enemy. Hortensis Apr 2016 #13
Just remember to send your publication to WND. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #33
Cool. I look forward to hearing about your story. MineralMan Apr 2016 #34
Yes there has been a great deal of dirtiness to our elections since we have been having them. Autumn Apr 2016 #12
Err.... the candidate with the greater support among Democrats seems closer to being nominated Recursion Apr 2016 #5
You seem to simplifying a very complex issue....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #16
Most people don't pay attention and still don't know that national parties are PRIVATE organizations blm Apr 2016 #31
Its all rigged. 2016 has been a MAJOR wake up call. RiverLover Apr 2016 #6
finally the truth comes out for all to see. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #7
Actually, it's simply the year Americans decided not to elect Bernie. DanTex Apr 2016 #9
You are so prophetic, is that your second job? n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #14
Nah, that was 2000 Fumesucker Apr 2016 #11
So true.. haikugal Apr 2016 #29
Aaaaaand Kick! (nt) CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #15
Other than blan platitudes,where has Bernie Sanders challenged the outcome of a race? brooklynite Apr 2016 #17
here... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #25
Honestly, if Sanders folks spent less time creating cutesy GIFs and more doing hard campainging... brooklynite Apr 2016 #30
Kurtly.... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #38
Oh my goodness! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #18
.... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #19
"Oligarchs! Banksters! Corporatist!!" (HA!) NurseJackie Apr 2016 #20
Do you have the whole cast of Golden Girls? haha pantsonfire Apr 2016 #21
It's not working. Time's running out. Tick-tock! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #22
I've almost collected 'em all! No Betty? pantsonfire Apr 2016 #23
"This is true" pantsonfire Apr 2016 #24
I would say apcalc Apr 2016 #28
If Trump were winning (or stealing) delegates, no_hypocrisy Apr 2016 #26
Mostly by Republicans these days apcalc Apr 2016 #27
And they succeeded in Ohio in 2004. Punkingal Apr 2016 #32
They got away with it... HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #37
Did you also discover sex and rock-and-roll this year?? nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #35
I've known about the voter machines for years.. HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #36
Kurt Vonnegut..... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #39
At least in regards to the Democrats, how is 2016 any different than 2008? MadBadger Apr 2016 #40
Obama and Hillary are not democratic socialists... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #41
This is a process question. Why is 2016 rigged but 2008 isnt? MadBadger Apr 2016 #42
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
1. We gotta fight. Fight the powers that be.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:06 AM
Apr 2016



In my world, that include fighting the Democratic Establishment that would choose to give away my stuff and wage endless war, if we are not careful about our choice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. That some will will and some lose is intrinsic to elections.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:54 AM
Apr 2016

We all need to be sensible about what happens and not get carried away by silliness.

There has been a great deal of dirtiness to our elections for as long as we've been holding them. People in various parts of the nation are even proud of the corruption they are part of. No, it's not okay, and yes we really, really, really need to fix this.

But nothing's especiallynew this election just because Bernie Sanders is losing. He is losing because the tidal wave of support he needed to generate wasn't big enough. The larger share of the delegates are going, as they should, proportionally to the candidate who has the larger share of the popular vote.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
10. TOTAL UNADULTERATED BS! I AS A Candidate For U.S. House Have Been Witness To Election Shenanigans
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:06 AM
Apr 2016

Err FRAUD... The OP has got this TOTALLY CORRECT. I will publish later evidence of corruption in a race that I ran in. Just as THEY are working tooth and nail to stop Bernie... The same sh** was done to stop me in my race... Twice Democratic Nominee and also ran NPA once. It IS FIXED and Noam Chomsky is... ALLLLL OVER IT!

MineralMan

(146,359 posts)
34. Cool. I look forward to hearing about your story.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

When will we see it? I hope you provide full details, so we can go and look up more about your race and loss.

It's not often we hear from people who have run for Congress on DU. So, let's hear about what you discovered soon!

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
12. Yes there has been a great deal of dirtiness to our elections since we have been having them.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:11 AM
Apr 2016

The rug has been lifted and we see the dirt swept under it. Time to clean it up, we don't need to continue to wallow in filth.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Err.... the candidate with the greater support among Democrats seems closer to being nominated
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:18 AM
Apr 2016

than the candidate with less support among Democrats.

Now, if Sanders does manage to persuade the super delegates to vote for him as the more electable candidate, then, yeah, some Clinton supporters would probably make an argument that the primary was "rigged" (I'd disagree; Sanders' lobbying the supers is perfectly allowed by the rules).

But what we're seeing at least on the D side is that the candidate who can get the most votes in the primaries seems set to win the nomination. That's the opposite of being rigged.

blm

(113,142 posts)
31. Most people don't pay attention and still don't know that national parties are PRIVATE organizations
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

and each state forms their own rules for the election process in that state.

Rules aren't changed on the fly - they are voted on in the years prior to the presidential election at individual state conventions.

IMO, only people new to the process would make frivolous charges of rigging in the primaries. Most state primary elections are run by some staff and dozens of volunteers for the party and human error is the most likely culprit when mistakes are made. These mistakes can be rectified when discovered, as we are seeing in Colorado.

brooklynite

(95,077 posts)
30. Honestly, if Sanders folks spent less time creating cutesy GIFs and more doing hard campainging...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

...the results might be different.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
38. Kurtly....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

"I'm screamingly funny, you know, I really am in the books. And that helps because I'm funnier than a lot of people, I think, and that's appreciated by young people."
- Kurt Vonnegut


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. "Oligarchs! Banksters! Corporatist!!" (HA!)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

It's not working. You guys will have to do better than that. Time's running out for Bernie ... tick-tock!


 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
21. Do you have the whole cast of Golden Girls? haha
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

What was that thing she called the Gold Standard....the TPP, then all of a sudden she changed her mind to appease progressives. She's not doing anything to stop it, not saying one word.
On another issue:

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
27. Mostly by Republicans these days
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

We witnessed a rigged election when Geore W Bush stole the presidency. And they have been trying to steal votes ever since...

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
37. They got away with it...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:19 PM
Apr 2016

Now both parties know they can do anything and get away with it.

Our votes don't matter, we know our votes don't matter, they know we know our votes don't matter. They don't care.

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
36. I've known about the voter machines for years..
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016

but the amount of voter suppression is off the charts...

It's so undemocratic.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
39. Kurt Vonnegut.....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

"This country is being managed to death, being public related to death."

"I think big business is a terrible thing for the spirit of the country, as our spirit is the best thing about us."

"I'm screamingly funny, you know, I really am in the books. And that helps because I'm funnier than a lot of people, I think, and that's appreciated by young people."

"Maturity is a bitter disappointment for which no remedy exists, unless laughter could be said to remedy anything."

Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/k/kurt_vonnegut_2.html

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
41. Obama and Hillary are not democratic socialists...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

They are both left-centrists, Obama was never the progressive he made out to be.

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