2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged
Now its just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. senators and congress members. Former President Jimmy Carter
What we are witnessing for the first time on a large scale is the political establishments true role in selecting the president of the United States. The illusion of choice has become apparent. The establishment anoints their two picks for president, and the country proceeds to argue vehemently over the two candidates they are spoon-fed. This dynamic is reminiscent of a prophetic 1998 quote from philosopher Noam Chomsky:
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.
http://theantimedia.org/2016-americans-realized-elections-rigged/
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)In my world, that include fighting the Democratic Establishment that would choose to give away my stuff and wage endless war, if we are not careful about our choice.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We all need to be sensible about what happens and not get carried away by silliness.
There has been a great deal of dirtiness to our elections for as long as we've been holding them. People in various parts of the nation are even proud of the corruption they are part of. No, it's not okay, and yes we really, really, really need to fix this.
But nothing's especiallynew this election just because Bernie Sanders is losing. He is losing because the tidal wave of support he needed to generate wasn't big enough. The larger share of the delegates are going, as they should, proportionally to the candidate who has the larger share of the popular vote.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Err FRAUD... The OP has got this TOTALLY CORRECT. I will publish later evidence of corruption in a race that I ran in. Just as THEY are working tooth and nail to stop Bernie... The same sh** was done to stop me in my race... Twice Democratic Nominee and also ran NPA once. It IS FIXED and Noam Chomsky is... ALLLLL OVER IT!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)They'll love it.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)When will we see it? I hope you provide full details, so we can go and look up more about your race and loss.
It's not often we hear from people who have run for Congress on DU. So, let's hear about what you discovered soon!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)The rug has been lifted and we see the dirt swept under it. Time to clean it up, we don't need to continue to wallow in filth.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)than the candidate with less support among Democrats.
Now, if Sanders does manage to persuade the super delegates to vote for him as the more electable candidate, then, yeah, some Clinton supporters would probably make an argument that the primary was "rigged" (I'd disagree; Sanders' lobbying the supers is perfectly allowed by the rules).
But what we're seeing at least on the D side is that the candidate who can get the most votes in the primaries seems set to win the nomination. That's the opposite of being rigged.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)blm
(113,142 posts)and each state forms their own rules for the election process in that state.
Rules aren't changed on the fly - they are voted on in the years prior to the presidential election at individual state conventions.
IMO, only people new to the process would make frivolous charges of rigging in the primaries. Most state primary elections are run by some staff and dozens of volunteers for the party and human error is the most likely culprit when mistakes are made. These mistakes can be rectified when discovered, as we are seeing in Colorado.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thanks for posting, great article!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)2016 was just the icing on the cake.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)brooklynite
(95,077 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)brooklynite
(95,077 posts)...the results might be different.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)"I'm screamingly funny, you know, I really am in the books. And that helps because I'm funnier than a lot of people, I think, and that's appreciated by young people."
- Kurt Vonnegut
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's not working. You guys will have to do better than that. Time's running out for Bernie ... tick-tock!
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)What was that thing she called the Gold Standard....the TPP, then all of a sudden she changed her mind to appease progressives. She's not doing anything to stop it, not saying one word.
On another issue:
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)The Democratic voters thus far have shown their preference .
no_hypocrisy
(46,332 posts)he'd be defending the RNC's system for the nomination.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)We witnessed a rigged election when Geore W Bush stole the presidency. And they have been trying to steal votes ever since...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)HughLefty1
(231 posts)Now both parties know they can do anything and get away with it.
Our votes don't matter, we know our votes don't matter, they know we know our votes don't matter. They don't care.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)HughLefty1
(231 posts)but the amount of voter suppression is off the charts...
It's so undemocratic.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)"This country is being managed to death, being public related to death."
"I think big business is a terrible thing for the spirit of the country, as our spirit is the best thing about us."
"I'm screamingly funny, you know, I really am in the books. And that helps because I'm funnier than a lot of people, I think, and that's appreciated by young people."
"Maturity is a bitter disappointment for which no remedy exists, unless laughter could be said to remedy anything."
Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/k/kurt_vonnegut_2.html
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)They are both left-centrists, Obama was never the progressive he made out to be.