The problem with the Clintons is not the Clintons. But they represent a bad system.

[Armstead]

They are simply an exaggerated version of how corrupted the system has become, and how screwed up our values have become.

Her campaign isn't unusual in the reliance on lobbyists and corporate elites and Wall St. banksters to support it. The skeezy strategies to get around the intent of campaign laws is just Standard Operating Procedure for politicians.

The way their policies and actions as government "servants" have been as servants of Corporate America and Wall St.lobbyists instead of the people is not unusual. Unfortunately it is all too typical.

They cashed in on a much bigger scale than usual by aligning themselves with Corporate America and the Elites. But it is only a matter of degree of so many otehr politicians who take that same magic trip through the Golden Revolving Door.

No the problem with Clinton is the fact that she and Bill epitomize the awful system we support and condone.

[highprincipleswork]

1. Like Vichy government.

[DemocracyDirect]

2. The problem is that they think this is a good thing.

If you follow the money, you can see that they are proud to have their billionaires and banks in the new Citizens United landscape.

What they don't get, is that the citizens are sick of this...

1. Half of Republicans are voting for their self-funded guy.
2. Half of Democrats are voting for their small donations guy.
3. No Independents are going to vote for a big money candidate.

[Armstead]

3. It's who they hang out with. It's their worldview because they are removed from reality

[BigBearJohn]

4. and, sadly, that's exactly the kind of people they attract

[msongs]

5. if you're real nice maybe bernie can his friends in the MIC to give you your own F-35 :-) n

[Armstead]

10. Pork barrel to benefit your state is not the same as personal enrichment

[snagglepuss]

6. Balderdash! The Clintons brought in a new level of corruption with their

Foundation. Furthermore they were instrumental creating this system. I recommend reading or re-reading scandals that surrounded the Clintons while he was governor, before Blumenthal came up with the idea of the "great RW conspiracy" Go back and look at those scandals through the lens of what we know now about them.

[Armstead]

9. I don't disagree -- Except they are just using the system

They know how to tap into it better then most.

[w4rma]

7. The Clintons and their "Third Way" have brought more corruption into the system than anyone. (nt)

[Baobab]

8. Like the WTO

Mother of all scams.

[Armstead]

11. I agree (except maybe for the GOP)

But they are also reflections of conditions that allowed them to do that.

I posted the above because it is often portrayed as a beauty contest between Bernie and Clinton...In reality there is much more involved that transcends both candidates.

[bigwillq]

12. The Clintons are a huge example of what is wrong with the system.

And the government. And how greed and power ruin things.

[BreakfastClub]

13. The Clintons have worked hard their whole lives and have made major

improvements in millions of lives over their careers. I'm sorry you don't like that, but it's the truth.