Alternet: Did Hillary Lie About Her Student Loan Debt @ Yale?

[TheSarcastinator]

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillarys-personal-story-about-student-loans-fabrication

""I know [student loan forgiveness] works because Bill and I did that. We both borrowed money when we went to law school and we paid it back as a percentage of our income, so I could go to work at the Children's Defense Fund, not some big law firm that would pay me more. I wanted to do the work I loved...I want everyone to have that chance."

Hillary Clinton tells this story to struggling students. She told it to minority students in Mississippi in November, 2015, and she recently told it againto minority students in Brooklyn. (...)

The odds are high that Hillary's story is a fabrication. (...) But there's a bigger problem with Hillary's story: The loan forgiveness program she refers to didn't exist in the early 1970s. Yale Law School literature is quite clear on this (...)"

[hobbit709]

1. Were her lips moving? Nuff said.

[MissDeeds]

3. +1

[Live and Learn]

6. +2 nt

[dragonfly301]

27. +3

[TheSarcastinator]

13. I have a simple question about Hillary:

Is there any subject, any moment of her life or career, about which she would not lie if she believed the lie would give her political power and advantage? Her mendacity and cold-eyed deception seems to "trickle down" to her shock troops here at DU and into the Democratic party in general. This garbage about Bernie "inviting himself" to the Vatican has to be some of the most foul and horrible twisting of reality that has ever poisoned the public discourse in America...second only, perhaps to that of the leading GOP candidate.

Hillary and Trump seem made for each other: it is no wonder they are long-term friends and their daughters are BFFs.

[pdsimdars]

29. Just about exactly what I was going to say. . . . "has she ever talkled about it?" well, then . . .

[peace13]

2. Well she would have used loan forgiveness...

....but the sniper fire kept her from getting to the financial aid office. It was a harrowing experience! I feel like the movie in her head is way more exciting than real life!

[Live and Learn]

7. +1 nt

[Ferd Berfel]

9. Aw damn

you beat me to it.

[peace13]

14. : )

[winter is coming]

4. Another one?

At this point, I wouldn't believe her if she said the sun was hot.

[snagglepuss]

5. knr

[Fumesucker]

8. Sir Edmund must be rolling over in his grave

I'm glad he didn't live to see his name so tarnished.

[Ferd Berfel]

10. I hope she realizes she's just making shit up

The alternative is too dark to contemplate

[SheilaT]

11. She really has a very distant relationship to truth.

Could she honestly believe this? Or does she just think she can say something like this and no one will ever bother to check.

I rather suspect it's the latter, and she still doesn't understand that with the internet, information about everything is readily available. Such as whether or not the law school you attended had a debt forgiveness program when you went there. Or the recordings of what you said about stuff.

[HereSince1628]

20. Yes, that's it! An estranged relationship with the truth.

I've been looking for a way to say that without the 'L' word.

[pdsimdars]

30. By now she knows that people are fact checking her . . I think she believes that

she is so smart and superior that it just doesn't matter, no one will defy her.

[kristopher]

12. K&R

[surrealAmerican]

15. So, how did she pay off the loans then?

Could it be that law school was less expensive then, and working for a not-for-profit was more lucrative?

[Retrograde]

17. Don't know about her situation or law students in general, but

when I was in college in the early 70s I had what was called a National Student Direct [formerly Defense] Loan at 3%. They were designed for people in the sciences or engineering, repayment didn't start until about a year after leaving school, and IIRC there were some jobs that got the whole loan forgiven. So, yeah, in some circumstances it would have been possible: student loans back then don't seem to have been as crippling as they are now.

[BernieforPres2016]

16. As with anybody who has been established as a liar

I don't believe anything they say that can't be verified.

[Bad Thoughts]

18. When will she turn off the white noise machine?

[Karmadillo]

19. So many lies. You begin to wonder if it's more pathological than manipulative. Carl Bernstein

noted:

...Clinton has had such a "difficult relationship with the truth" for quite some time that she now has become a "specialist" in fudging facts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/08/bernstein_hillary_a_specialist_in_fudging_facts_due_to_all_the_women_shes_had_to_defend_bill_from.html

[winter is coming]

21. I wonder if she'll be able to stick to the truth while being interviewed by the FBI. n/t

[pdsimdars]

31. There's always hope.

And not necessarily hope that she'll stick to the truth.

[Fumesucker]

22. This thread seems lonely and neglected, it needs a kick

[Scuba]

23. She didn't mean to lie, but she was under great stress. Sniper fire, ya know?

[pdsimdars]

32. Yea, Bill "almost" thought about apologizing and she "almost" thought about telling the truth

[tabasco]

24. Of course, the Clintons were "dead broke" when they left the White House.

Probably still paying off those student loans. LOL.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/09/hillary_clinton_we_came_out_of_the_white_house_dead_broke.html

[Divernan]

25. Having failed DC bar, she did not have option of joining ANY law firm

let alone a big, high paying one.

And exactly when and for how long did she work for the Children's Defense Fund? Right after she finished Yale and was studying for the bar? Because at some point she was down in D.C. hiding a recent Supreme court opinion from the Watergate investigative committee. She did pass the Arkansas bar, and only THEN did she go down to Arkansas (Plan B), where she became licensed, and where Bill's influence got her a job teaching.

AFTER he got elected to state wide office, FINALLY, she got a job with a big, high-paying law firm, working for Webb Hubbell - cue the Whitewater scandal.


Her resume features large gaps of time, and/or jobs with no times mentioned.

[Fuddnik]

26. Al Franken is going to have to write a sequel.

[yellowcanine]

28. This guy plays fast and loose with facts.

I read the article. It is mostly speculation with a little "truthiness" thrown in.

He decides that because many of Hillary's classmates did not accumulate debt she probably did not either. Really? How logical is that?

Then he decides that because one kind of debt forgiveness program did not exist in 1973, Hillary must be lying about debt forgiveness. Again, Really? I graduated from college in 1973. I benefited from a debt forgiveness program. There were a number of debt forgiveness programs, most tied to the type of work one did.

Seriously, can we critique Hillary (or any other candidate) based on real issues and not play these speculative "gotcha" games?

[pdsimdars]

33. It's in the numbers

Hillary got the highest score (for being un-trustworthy)

[Tanuki]

34. When did she say that she borrowed the money from this Yale program? The whole

article seems to be based on a faulty premise. She has said previously that she borrowed her law school tuition money through the National Defense Education Act, which was passed in 1958 and most certainly did exist at the time she went to law school.