2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDaily Chart: Hillary Clinton’s problem with (white) men
Even if Hillary were to actually win the nomination, there is the fact that she does terribly for the White male demographic. I am somewhat surprised that they are breaking for Bernie Sanders, since I would not have expected this demographic to be more liberal than the parties minority constituencies.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/03/daily-chart-12
TODAY, March 22nd, Hillary Clinton contests the next set of Democratic primary electionsin Arizona, Idaho and Utahleading her rival Bernie Sanders by over 700 delegates. But her appeal among the Democratic electorate is by no means evenly spread. White men have been the most hesitant group to back Mrs Clinton in the 2016 primaries. Although black men have voted for her in droves, the partys front-runner has rarely carried a majority of white men in states where exit polling has been conducted (the exceptions being Alabama and probably Arkansas and Tennessee). In Ohio, for example, a crucial swing state come November, only 42% of white men plumped for Mrs Clinton, down from 58% in the 2008 primary. Women, especially black women, have been more resolute in their support, despite calls from feminists earlier this year to back Mr Sanders as the better candidate on womens issues.
This is not to say that Mrs Clinton's wilting appeal to men will hurt her in the general election. Barack Obama lost to John McCain among white men 40-60% and still won the presidency. And a lot of those white male Democrats who prefer Mr Sanders in the primaries would vote for Mrs Clinton in November (should she win the nomination). A recent poll for Washington Post/ABC News comparing Donald Trump with Hillary Clinton found that the Republican held a lead of 48-43% among men nationally, but this five percentage-point advantage was down from 15 points in September. In the latest poll, Mrs Clinton led Mr Trump by 21 points among women; she also bested him when respondents were asked whom they trusted most to handle a variety of issues including the economy and immigration, and on personal attributes such as experience and personality.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)It is the same problem Obama had in 2008. Politically speaking White men aren't as important as they used to be.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It is a very different picture in mid-terms.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)While it is fine to don the white hood during mid-term congressional races, the last thing you want is a fire breathing anti-immigrant Republican nominee who tends to mobilize the the Democratic Party's minority constituents. This is why RNC establishment is slow to embrace Trump or Cruz even though their rhetoric is pretty standard Republican talking points.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Trump and cruz just flat out proclaim it. Not a winning strategy!
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)You have Fox News and the RNC becoming more and more obvious about their catcalls to the xenophobia of the GOP's base, then suddenly, the GOP finds itself in a pickle when Trump/Cruz simply pick up where Fox and the RNC left off. The Daily Show had a great piece on this:
The Daily Show - How the F**k We Got Here - Donald Trump: The GOP's Perfect Match
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... where as in the 70 this was not so much.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)was amazing in many ways.
Zira
(1,054 posts)I've watched half so far and am taking an intermission.
Harry Belafonte looks incredible - can't believe he's pushing 90. He's also completely mentally astute. Amazing man.
Bernies is also awesome in this. I loved that he brought up that nobody in the election asked about the poor or want to talk about he poor and says he will make the poor a priority when he gets in.
I believe Bernie. I believe every word he is saying.
Back to finish watching.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)The fools.....
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Is it because that white men are actually far more liberal while women and minorities tend to be more centrist? Otherwise, what is the reason for the disparity?
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Sexism. That's why.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... progressive.
I have a real problem with a non mix of people voting for one dem candidate and then calling it anything progressive
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)That's ok. I think you have a character flaw based in self-loathing, as you're supporting someone you already know has lied to your face numerous times.
Henhouse
(646 posts)I think that is why both Trump's and Sanders' populist message is resonating with white men....
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... them voting for Sanders because of it doesn't seem to be progressive at all.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)because men don't wanna.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Should be aloud to talk about. It exist in high numbers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)oh wait, they do that in huge numbers every election.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Just too funny. In a sad and pathetic way.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)never did, never will.
she can't do badly with white men and millenials and indys and think she is going to win a ge
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But it's a risky proposition, writing off 35% of the electorate.