2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere have been some bizarre criticisms here, but going after the Vatican meeting is callous...
At best. It shows a complete unwillingness to see the other candidate in a positive light, which goes beyond just supporting your candidate. No rational human being could twist Bernie's meeting with the Vatican into something negative.
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Well, there's your problem: cultists aren't rational.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)![](http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/AP_Vatican_Pope_Obama_ml_140327_4x3_992.jpg)
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)that didn't end well.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)do you think Sanders will reveal the existence of Her Majesty's Service, MI-6? Really.
Now that was comedic, and that is the major reason it did not go well, I suspect the Swiss Guard will not be part of the conversation, thought the SS team will likely have to figure out, as they always do, how to work with the Swiss Guard.
At this point I am really starting to feel extremely sorry for you guys.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And no the Queen Mother was not pleased.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)This Vatican stuff is such nonsense!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I know why they are doing this. There is real worry that they are about to get trounced in NY, and how this might help Sanders with the voters.
Also, we stopped talking of Bill's pretty racist statement.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But I think this will come back and bite them. Some nasty threads were started today.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it used to matter a lot more. Realistically it no longer does. So it's become a testing ground for talking points. Those who are swatted this fiercely will not make it though.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)She's a phony and a fraud in just about everything she does.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)He lied. He knew he was lying. On national tv.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I'm glad we can come to an agreement
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It is perfectly reasonable to criticize decisions politicians make during an election.
This isn't a "meeting with the Vatican" btw. He's attending a conference.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-sanders-vatican-idUSKCN0X516C
This really got under your skin.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)A meeting in New York is not the same thing as a meeting with Bill D's administration or Andy Cuomo's for that matter.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)with one of their top research institutions, You might be more familiar with the Observatorio Romano, but for some silly reason, going to back to Jesus actually, (or more specifically the first popes), the idea of social justice has been part of at least the ideology of teh church.
They have failed to do this at times... see that whole thing called the Middle Ages, but they do. This is very close to Pope Francis's ideology, to serve the poor. This really got under your skin. It really did, and I am beyond feeling sorry for you at this point.
And this is my read as well,
Like Pope Francis, Sanders has made economic inequality and the plight of the working class a central tenet of his message. Sanders' April 15 visit to Vatican City, where he will give an economic address at a conference, will come just days before Democrats in New York vote in their state primary.
The trip may help the U.S. senator amplify the anti-corporate line of attack he has employed against Democratic rival Hillary Clinton as he tries to keep his insurgent campaign for the Nov. 8 presidential election alive.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0X51Q6
And please do correct Reuters as well.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You will be surprised to learn that journalists sometimes make mistakes.
There have been about 7 different versions of this story released today by the press.
Here's the Catholic news agency's account:
http://ncronline.org/news/politics/bernie-sanders-set-attend-vatican-conference-john-paul-ii-encyclical
The remainder of the conference will situate around the presentation of five papers. Presenters include Sachs and each of the Latin American presidents, in addition to Fr. Bryan Hehir, of the Harvard University John F. Kennedy School of Government, and José Casanova, senior fellow at the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs, in Washington, D.C.
Asked if Sanders might address the conference as well, Sanchez said, "I think that he needs to have the same possibility as the other political leaders." He clarified that it would have to be within the context of Centesimus annus.
According to the conference booklet, the symposium will explore two major issues: What changes have occurred in the world -- economically, politically and culturally -- in the last 25 years? And how has Catholic social teaching engaged the world during the time, and how might it best do so in coming decades?
"How ought we to think about the cultural situation today and what realities call for further reflection within Catholic social thought today to better understand the situation of ordinary people, especially the poor and marginalized?" it asked.
At least one conference attendee who spoke on background said they anticipated a "generic academic conference" but are now "queasy" how Sanders' presence, and the political overtones accompanying him, might distort a more academic reflection on the interrelationships between markets and morality.
"It's just tricky to navigate those issues, and I don't know that a politician -- any politician, not Sanders in particular -- is well equipped to navigate them in a subtle and nuanced way," the attendee said.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)tell Reuters
https://reuters.zendesk.com/anonymous_requests/new
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The remainder of the conference will situate around the presentation of five papers. Presenters include Sachs and each of the Latin American presidents, in addition to Fr. Bryan Hehir, of the Harvard University John F. Kennedy School of Government, and José Casanova, senior fellow at the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs, in Washington, D.C.
Asked if Sanders might address the conference as well, Sanchez said, "I think that he needs to have the same possibility as the other political leaders." He clarified that it would have to be within the context of Centesimus annus.
According to the conference booklet, the symposium will explore two major issues: What changes have occurred in the world -- economically, politically and culturally -- in the last 25 years? And how has Catholic social teaching engaged the world during the time, and how might it best do so in coming decades?
"How ought we to think about the cultural situation today and what realities call for further reflection within Catholic social thought today to better understand the situation of ordinary people, especially the poor and marginalized?" it asked.
At least one conference attendee who spoke on background said they anticipated a "generic academic conference" but are now "queasy" how Sanders' presence, and the political overtones accompanying him, might distort a more academic reflection on the interrelationships between markets and morality.
"It's just tricky to navigate those issues, and I don't know that a politician -- any politician, not Sanders in particular -- is well equipped to navigate them in a subtle and nuanced way," the attendee said.
http://ncronline.org/news/politics/bernie-sanders-set-attend-vatican-conference-john-paul-ii-encyclical
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)TELL REUTERS
I even gave you the fucking web form
https://reuters.zendesk.com/anonymous_requests/new
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)"I don't know what is the problem," he told NCR. "We have two presidents from Latin America, and we don't have a problem. And we have a problem because we invited one candidate to the White House of your country? It's a little impossible to understand."
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He has a week to whip one up.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)tell reuters
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Bernie the human must be ecstatic and has told Bernie the candidate to sit down.
He truly lives his ideals.
I had no idea it was this intimate of a gathering. Now I know why its a must-go thing for him.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I know.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Whatever hours he may lose campaigning in NY, will be more than made up in the positive press he's getting now and then.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)yes, HRC will not be in Hong kong raising 2700 a pop, but her CFO will... same moment in time. The optics suck.... if you are a Clinton supporter
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)So much better. ..
I predict Hillary will be helping at a soup kitchen that day. Watch for carefully staged "charitable " photo ops...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I feel for the Secret Service detail.
vintx
(1,748 posts)And no wonder they didn't invite Clinton
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And the list contains zero neo-liberals.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Along with corruption
TheBlackAdder
(28,515 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Right before NY! So many Catholics there.
questionseverything
(9,781 posts)as US citizens i would think we all should be proud bernie is invited to speak on a "moral" economy
look at her supporters on this page...just hating
<shrugs>
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The hate is something else.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)mentioned in this Reuters headline actually exists at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-sanders-vatican-idUSKCN0X516C
Perhaps you are not aware of this, but this mythical place is this magical kingdom
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/St_Peter's_Square,_Vatican_City_-_April_2007.jpg
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Maybe he shuold have stopped and said -- No, it's not determined that I am going to meet with the pope..... But you don't know that's not true or discussions have been going on about that.
But in a larger sense, you totally ignore his obviously heartfelt explanation of what he admires about the Pope, and the need for an economy with a more moral basis.
To some here, political bickering is all that counts. Memes are all that count.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)That would be another candidate.
Mudcat
(179 posts)... for those folks whose favorite candidate's poll numbers are going down the tubes almost daily.
quickesst
(6,294 posts)Read the replies in this thread from your fellow Bernie supporters, then say that again with a straight face.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)if Sanders supporters said that Sanders is the devil himself, they would attack that statement.
jillan
(39,451 posts)invited the Pope to speak to Congress.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)This is one of those Chinese thumbcuff kind of things--the more they work at it, the worse they look. Let's mix our metaphors and give them all the rope they require.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(117,879 posts)so they just have to piss on Bernie's campfire.
Csainvestor
(388 posts)and they will do it by any means necessary.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)whether he meets with the pope, regardless of who invited him.. he is speaking about poverty/wealth and morality. Something he has spent his entire career working on; I am very proud he has this opportunity. I can't think of anyone else better versed in speaking about this subject, it's great that an American Politician was invited. let's lighten up a bit. Maybe say congrats?
dr60omg
(283 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)But insulting the Vatican, Catholics, and sander's supporters. Good call. They haven't learned that it's only political if you make it political. Hillary's message doesn't align, Bernie's does - so now they want to piss on Bernie for it, and the Vatican in the process. Way to go!
Keep up the work