2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThree more Pinocchios for #Bernocchio Hillary didnt call him unqualified
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/07/sanderss-incorrect-claim-that-clinton-called-him-not-qualified-for-the-presidency/.
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The Pinocchio Test
Sanders is putting words in Clintons mouth. She never said quote unquote that he was not qualified to be president. In fact, she diplomatically went out of her way to avoid saying that, without at the same time saying he was qualified. The Washington Post article appropriately noted that she raised questions about his qualifications, but certainly never said or suggested she said Sanders was unqualified.
Sanders would have been on safer ground if he had said Clinton is raising questions about his qualifications and now he would like to raise questions about her qualifications. But he cant slam her for words she did not say.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... with a campaign leak.
Getting others to do the dirty work and then play the victim.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)all by himself. One-on-one with the editorial board of a NY newspaper, for god's sake! Was that unbelievable or what? And he can't take it back.
What Hillary said was that Sanders had not done his homework, and boy is that true!
Also a gross understatement. After 25 years in Congress, Bernie has no plan for fixing the problems he's running on and no detailed knowledge of how it might be accomplished. He always thought other people would do it.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)And you know it.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But Bernie really should hit the books and read past headlines.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)made that statement about Hillary at his rally in PA.
Plenty of Pinocchios to go around.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)It wasnt just the Post. It was all over the internet within hours of Wisconsin. Hillary danced right up to it and her aide said it. Is she firing the aide or not?
On msnbc at least there seems to be a rough consensus this was a manufactured issue
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)on this issue? Hilarious.
Also a good dose irony that this poster chimed in.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)http://www.salon.com/2016/01/30/the_washington_post_just_published_the_most_inaccurate_editorial_on_bernies_campaign_thus_far_partner/
The ugliest Bernie smear yet: Washington Post shows its corporate colors with new Sanders hit piece
Who'd have thought the establishment paper owned by a libertarian multi-billionaire would take issue with Sanders' populism?
EXCEPRT
Mr. Sanderss tale starts with the bad guys: Wall Street and corporate money. The existence of large banks and lax campaign finance laws explains why working Americans are not thriving, he says, and why the progressive agenda has not advanced. Here is a reality check: Wall Street has already undergone a round of reform, significantly reducing the risks big banks pose to the financial system.
Nothing here to see, folks! The claim that Wall Street is more or less reformed and too big to fail is a progressive fantasy. But wait, thats not what theWashington Post itself said in 2014. As International Business Times Andrew Perez noted, The Post published a contradictory op-ed a year-and-a-half ago in, The Posts View: Bank of America faces a hefty fine, but too big to fail still threatens:
Just or not, no one should confuse this pending settlement with a solution to the deeper problem of the U.S. financial system namely that Bank of America and other institutions remain too big to fail.
So which is it? Is Sanders too-big-to-fail rhetoric useful or not? It certainly was to the Washington Post a year and a half ago, but now its not reality.
That the Posts sole owner, Jeff Bezos, is an arch-libertarian worth $53.2 billion and has a whole host of investments in private health care, well assume is entirely separate from The Post editorial boards recent swath of hysterical Sanders criticism, including these two gems from last week; the first an editorial, the latter ostensibly straight reporting:
The Posts View: Mr. Sanders needs to come clean about the funding for his health-care plan
Most of Bernie Sanderss big ideas are dead-on-arrival in Congress. Do Democrats care?
Notice the tone is the same throughout: Sanders is insane and his ideas will never work. Theres very little discussion of substance or evidence to support the idea that his plans are untenable. Its just asserted as true.
The Posts latest op-ed is just another example of this type of dismissive establishment ideology policing, much of which has animated Sanders anti-establishment appeal. To this extent, perhaps theres nothing more helpful to the Sanders campaign than an oligarch-owned newspaper bashing your every proposal at every turn.
carburyme
(146 posts)I don't care who said what!
IMO Bernie is the one not qualified to be POTUS! No! Never! Not in this lifetime!
Get over it Berners!
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Fact checkers are catching Sanders in a number of lies
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)And CNN was lying when it summarized the Clinton aide?
Or you agree with Gov. RENDELL on ALL IN with Chris Hayes who said that Hilary aide who talked to the press in this way should be fired? This is a spokesperson for the candidate.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They write a headline that doesn;t pass muster and they pretend to be all "accurate and fact checky" over the results of their own words.
But what does one expect from the Amazon Times?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Get out of the gutter and think about what's best for this country. Do you have any opinion on that?
riversedge
(70,205 posts)Response to riversedge (Reply #28)
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snowy owl
(2,145 posts)MattSh
(3,714 posts)The fact that WaPo is doing it signals that a once proud paper (yes, decades ago), has jumped the shark and should be considered no longer relevant. Dump WaPo as a source and find more legitimate outlets that do real journalism.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)knr
senz
(11,945 posts)Immediately after Bernie won Wisconsin, the Clinton campaign threatened to disqualify him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017350521
The next day on Morning Joe she was asked three times if Bernie is qualified and ready to be president and she refused to answer, instead making demeaning suggestions that he's mentally unqualified for the presidency, saying he doesn't know how to do what he says he wants to do, that he hasn't done his homework, that he doesn't understand what he's talking about, that he doesn't understand the law.
Later, when he returned her accusation, rhetorically referring to her as "unqualified," he in no way attacked her mental abilities as she had attacked his on Morning Joe. She hit below the belt. He did not. She is the one who should be roundly and soundly censured by the media.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)and needs to drop out of the race. She's a disgrace.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)At least in Clinton-speak she didn't. Everyone knows what was said, and her bullshit legalese doesn't fool anyone.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Hillary Clinton is unqualified to be President of the United States.
riversedge
(70,205 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Lying carries consequences.