Okay, here is an idea. re: Tax and Transcripts

[Aerows]

If Bernie scrupulously submits his tax returns, to show how he spent his money

Shouldn't Hillary Clinton scrupulously submit the contents of her speeches to show how she made her money?

[hobbit709]

1. don't hold your breath waiting would be my advice.

[Aerows]

3. I'm not suicidal

I have enough to live for that I want to be under a President that is trustworthy and doesn't bring us war, financial disaster, and yet more war. Bernie is a better future for everybody.

[rogerashton]

2. OK, the bird in the sig line is a sparrow.

House sparrow I think, though the photoshopping makes that a little hard to tell. The birdie on Bernie's podium was a finch.

Need to get things right, man.

[Aerows]

5. It is indeed a house sparrow

I used to catch them on my back yard porch when I was a kid. I was weird.

I would set up a bunch of bread for several days, then wait for them to get under the basket I had rigged. I would then look them over and release them. I know that sounds monstrous, but I was so dang curious as to what they looked like, and that was in my "before glasses you can actually see out of" days.

So, yes, my curiosity as a 10 year old was cruel, but I didn't hurt anything.

[Aerows]

6. If you were disturbed by that story

My science class wanted a bug exhibit. When it came time to bring in bugs to pin, I brought mine in ventilated habitats alive, and refused any attempt to kill them.

That is the best F I have ever gotten.

[rogerashton]

36. In one of her bio classes

my wife (then the TA in charge of the lab) had a unit that involved dissecting oysters. She said so many of the oysters were ruined that they had to get a second bag. And some cocktail sauce. This took place in Baton Rouge.

[Aerows]

37. Oh my.

Damn you, rogerashton, now you have sparked a massive craving for oysters on the half shell!

LOL!

God I love oysters (I'm from New Orleans). There is a little pub uptown that has the best of them! Unfortunately, since the Horizon spill, I'm afraid of Gulf seafood. That was a tragedy of epic proportions.

[Luminous Animal]

4. Bernie has every intention of releasing his returns. When he and Jane get back to Vermont,

they'll go through their files and release them. They are not going to suspend the campaign even for a moment to fly back for this silliness. They'll release them, with no quid quo pro, when they take a break.

[Aerows]

11. I know he will, too.

I'm about as frightened of something shady coming out of his record as I about him misappropriating funds for a doughnut.

Oh look, he went to Taco Bell and didn't tag it on the expense report as lunch instead of a fundraiser, because while in Taco Bell, he spoke his opinion on health care.

[Socal31]

7. Tax transcripts do not show how you spent your income.

As someone who gets paid to review 1040, 1120, and 1065 transcripts on a daily basis, I can positively state that while they can show the totality of write-offs, they do not show recipients of said donations.

Now, actual copies of the returns....different story.

[Aerows]

9. I have an accountant.

I couldn't figure out that mess if I tried, and I don't want to.

I'd much rather pay people to do it for me.

I'm trying to figure out which I'd like to do least:

1. Do your taxes yourself
2. Give yourself a root canal
3. Test the effects of sulfuric acid on human skin.

It's a toss-up.

[bigwillq]

8. Both should release

Taxes and transcripts. Same goes for all other candidates.

[Aerows]

10. Bingo!

I like your style.

You want transparency for everybody, and so do I!

[msanthrope]

12. Hmm....So HRC must release both taxes and transcripts to Bernie releasing just....taxes?

Not equal. Not by a long shot. She's already released hers.....

But the Sander's campaign won't release the taxes....and we all know why.

[Aerows]

13. Hillary hasn't released her taxes yet

and she is demanding that Bernie submit his?

My dear Msanthrope, that was quite a slip.

You are usually more deft.

[Hydra]

14. Man, they really ARE sloppy today

BTW, I'm with you. Transcripts plz. Then we can talk about David "Bad Hair" Brock's latest attempt to artfully smear.

[Aerows]

16. It is even more stunning

considering that msanthrope is usually a very good poster that chooses her words wisely.

[msanthrope]

15. Yes....she has. Her last 8 years worth. Bernie? Not so much.

And I note you very carefully avoided the statement I made.....you expect HRC to release taxes and transcripts....before Bernie releases taxes. Not equal treatment.

[Aerows]

17. So you are doubling down

Hillary Clinton has not submitted her taxes.

Is that what you are saying?

Look, I understand where you are trying to go with this, but a man with a net worth of $300000 is a hell of a lot less interesting than a woman worth $140 mil, that won't release the transcripts of speeches she gave for 225 thousand per.

[msanthrope]

19. Here are links to her tax returns going back to the 90s.....

And here's what is damn interesting...are you telling me that Bernie, after earning millions in the Senate is worth less than 300k? Doe
sn't speak well to his economic capabilities, does it?

[yodermon]

22. "Bernie's too poor!"

you really are shameless.

[Aerows]

24. Everybody makes mistakes

some cling to the fact that they didn't make a mistake long after they should have owned up to it.

[Aerows]

23. Sloppy work

We all do it.

[msanthrope]

20. Links to HRC taxes....

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/

[Aerows]

26. You directed me

to a site run by Hillary Clinton, funded by Hillary Clinton, and even *that* site has some unfavorable citations.

Hillary Clinton cannot avoid falling off of the political rails even on a site run by her supporters.

It's sad because I want the grownups to talk about how we are going to change our policies, improve life for the least among us, and help people get educated.

HFT transaction tax could put everybody through school, and then some.

[Aerows]

34. I respect you, my friend

You are far better than this mess of a Hillary campaign.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. Sure.... I've been asking since February...

When I kick my own GD-P (my version of "Where's the Beef&quot , it doesn't even appear anymore under GD-P. I wasn't aware this function went away.

I'll go with both, and STILL be waiting for those damned transcripts.

[Aerows]

35. Me too, MMM.

I guess she is still looking into it.

[felix_numinous]

21. Clintons have a problem with public trust

and are attempting to smear Sanders. Even if there is a fault found with Sanders (and I expect his usual response to any questions asked of him) it cannot measure up to the levels of corruption HRC is facing.

[Aerows]

25. It's a projection smear

Accuse your candidate of everything your own campaign is currently doing.

For Heaven's sake - I thought that was a tactic Republicans use!

[felix_numinous]

27. They know public trust is tenuous

when was the last time we had a trustworthy candidate, we are used to being screwed over. Bernie attacks the system, and the decisions she has made to contribute to the corruption, but she tries to ruin individuals, leaving the corrupt system intact.

Bernie has already EARNED a lot of trust and respect, and she cannot scramble to catch up at this point, after this many lies, no matter what is said.

[Aerows]

32. I appreciate a person

that just lays it on the blade. You don't have to wonder what they will do, because their actions have already illustrated what they will do.

It disturbs me that a large chunk of the population does not understand words<actions.

[NanceGreggs]

28. No.

Can you provide links to where anyone ever demanded speech transcripts of any other candidate?

Why should Hillary produce something never before asked for, in exchange for Bernie producing what has always been expected of candidates?

[madamesilverspurs]

29. One more time...

[Aerows]

31. I must admit

that this flew over my head.

[silvershadow]

30. Or, just release the transcripts. nt

[Aerows]

33. To be honest?

At this point I don't care about Hillary's transcripts, her emails or her lies.

I want to get our nation back together in a more equitable state.

Hillary, Trump and Cruz will not do it.

Sanders *will*

That isn't stupidity, naivety or look at the nerd detached-ery, that is honesty.

I've never seen a campaign more terrified of honesty that Hillary Clinton's campaign.

[LAS14]

38. No.

I've no problem with her keeping the transcripts out of the campaign. She did what virtually all (maybe all) modern secretaries of state did after leaving office. She went on a speaking tour to share her insights. She was paid the going rate. She probably was polite to her audience and didn't rant at them. That being the case, in this election atmosphere, enemies would cherry pick "damning" statements like, "I'm glad to be here tonight," and other such horrors.

Kudos to her for being smart.

[Nanjeanne]

39. Here's the thing. Bernie said he will release his taxes. But not today - he's in Wisconsin

He will get to it and I'm sure much sooner than any transcripts will be released. But rather than wait for him to release - they want to stamp their feet and whine NOW NOW NOW. Well he doesn't carry them in his back pocket - so it's not going to be now. If they really cared they would wait to see them and then discuss. Or begin whining again in a couple of weeks if he didn't produce them. There is no satisfying children having a temper tantrum.


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