2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRachel Maddow Take A Leave Of Absence Till The Primaries Are Over
You should not even pretend to be a journalist any more.
I mean it.
You are so Pro-Hillary and Anti-Progressive watching you gush over Hillary makes me want to vomit. I stopped watching your show. I can't take it any more.
Just take a leave of absence, and go to work for the Clinton Campaign officially, and when the primaries are over, you can go back to doing real news, not propping up a horrible train wreck of a candidate.
Just ask yourself Rachel. If the entire establishment, and the entire media wasn't supporting Hillary, how many delegates would she have? If journalists actually did journalism, and looked into the favors Clinton Foundation donors got. Forgot to forget about Mark Rich. I mean what would happen if someone did real journalism at MSNBC? It would blow people's minds now wouldn't it? Ain't gonna happen.....
Leave Rachel, before I puke.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)No more. Gushing over Hillary is not investigative anything.
Remember:
C-Street Assholes she uncovered?
The Bridge Scandal = All hers.
Flint Water Crisis = She led the entire media.
Attempting to get Hillary Nominated = Full Time Job Now - Screw Journalism
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)Many of us here are fed up with false, misleading headlines that, like spam, are designed to get people to open yet another tiresome lecture from a Sanders supporter.
Grow up and engage in meaningful discourse if you actually mean to advance your cause or your candidate.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)She is instead reporting facts and continuing to do the quality work that creates the standard others are judged by.
How dare she.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)When you have to threaten people to support your candidate of choice, what it means is you need a better candidate. Fortunately we have one.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Her groveling before Clinton is pathetic. The Beatles said that money can't buy you love, but it seems, in Rachel's case, it can buy your soul.
As far as investigative journalists, the Ruling Class hates them and with Obama's help, they are pretty much extinct.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I swear some here believe all liberal journalists are required to tote the line of one candidate over the other, and if they don't they freak out and claim they must be silenced.
Very scary indeed.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Do you watch her? I quit watching Maddow years ago but still watched and liked Hayes and O'Donnell until this campaign season when they all were in the tank for Clinton and I finally watching. All I ever saw when I did watch Maddow was some gossipy junk news, a lot of cheerleading, and some bar gig. Tell me, what am I missing? What has she investigated recently?
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)There is much better investigative journalism on HBO's Vice. Their journalists actually go to some of the most dangerous parts of the world and put their lives on the line to tell the stories that you won't see on the Rachel Maddow show.
Rachel Maddow straddles the line between journalist and pundit, Vice is true investigative journalism.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'm done with Rachel "Hillary may I kiss your ring" Maddow, MSNBC and all of cable news.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)FEEL THE BERN - 2016
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,886 posts)Know how you feel.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)MSNBC's audience will collapse after the November elections, though if Hillary or Trump win the Presidency there will likely be an ongoing series of gaffes, scandals and impeachment threats from the other side to keep things interesting.
Cenk Uygur of TYT has predicted that MSNBC will be shut down in 2017 because of dismal ratings and a lack of profitability.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)That means that yes, dismal ratings. I read somewhere that the ratings are soaring at the moment. I am enjoying TYT, JackPine, Bernie2016 and others as I stumble across them. Kind of fun to be discovering alternative media.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)They were comparing the recent ratings to a period of awful MSNBC ratings, which makes for a very favorable comparison. They said Fox is up by X% and MSNBC is up by 2X%, or whatever it was. What they were very careful not to do was to compare MSNBC's ratings with Fox's because Fox is still crushing them.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Confess I did not pay close attention because I no longer care about the 'news' guys. My cable watching consists of Bill Mahr and John Oliver and Tiny Houses and StarTrek reruns. Blush.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)A $7 MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR PROPAGANDIST!
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)She is good against repubs, but she is truly a Hillary shill
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)#FeelTheMath
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)Many here have a strong bias against reality-based facts.
2.5 million more votes isn't as significant as a bird landing on a podium.
revmclaren
(2,529 posts)All the ducks,geese, and other birds there absolutely SWARMED me. I must be the anointed one.
All praise me...GOD HAS SPOKEN!!!!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)That, in a nutshell, explains their reasoning.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Now that she's helping to vet your candidate, you can't handle it? Politics is not for you; find another trendy hobby to get involved in. You and the country will be better off.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Her interview was a joke.
A love fest.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)competed in several states where Maddow had covered their campaign efforts extensively that she began taking a harder look at the Sanders campaign as a whole. They basically implied Maddow was lying on her multiple nights of programming where she reported on their investments in Texas, South Carolina, and all the other places that they tried to pretend they never competed because they lost so badly.
If Sanders and his campaign staff had kept to the truth, she'd probably still be happily reporting good news for his campaign. Instead, they made her look foolish for reporting facts about the campaign that the campaign tried to be deceptive about later, and they cost themselves a media ally.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)She specifically highlighted the reporting she did ahead of the contests that the Sanders campaign claimed they never competed in, and questioned why the Sanders campaign would make statements claiming they'd never competed within states where Maddow had reported on their activity.
The fact that you're maligning Maddow when you clearly don't watch her is just embarrassing for you.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)before the whole compete b.s.
Gothmog
(145,553 posts)Just because you do not like the facts that are being reported does not mean that these facts are not true
Yallow
(1,926 posts)(silence)
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)What did she do to hurt your feelings this time?
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)don't get what they want they scream and stamp their feet.
years ago a former DUer Barb156 (who passed) said "i think many DUers are kids living in their parent's basements".
jillan
(39,451 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)that's how I know CNN better and even some shows on Fox - who wouldv'e guessed
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #10)
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snowy owl
(2,145 posts)When toad, korny and maddow got together after a visit from Bernie, she leaned in like she was six years old and they were huddling like little kids mocking Bernie. I couldn't believe it. That was the last time I actually sat through a complete segment of her show which I only watched because Bernie was featured.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)for the world's problems -- let's pass some hate onto rachel or anyone who disagrees with them.
Fla Dem
(23,741 posts)his persecution complex, and
"Mr. I won't go negative", going negative; and
"I cant release my taxes because my wife did them"; and
when the interviews get too tough, I'm taking my mic off and walking away; and
promising all that free stuff with no way to pay for it; and
"we only lost the election because the DNC, DWS, Hillary Clinton, the (fill in the state name ) Democratic Party screwed us, and
running as a Democrat even though he has condemned them his entire career.
Never, ever taking personal responsibility for anything.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)I won't even watch her show.
She gave up on being a journalist.
I do still enjoy watching Lawrence poking a stick into Trump over and over though.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)turn on you.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)No one can ever answer a question.
Ever.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Gotta give him credit for that.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)I still can't watch his show though....
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)long his show has been on while others come and go?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i like when he goes out and talks to people in the crowd. he seems to really like people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Google Chris Matthews/Michelle Malkin.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)That was fantastic.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...the day he landed on the aircraft carrier with the "Mission Accomplished" banner?
It was like he became sexually aroused over how "manly" he looked, then, at the moment of climax, he jumped up and shouted in ecstasy "We are all Neo-Cons NOW!!! before collapsing back into his chair trying to catch his breath.
Thats your guy?
I haven't watched him since.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)Not Pro Democrat
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)boy, that was really going out on a limb. live dangerously.
Unwanted Democrat
(18 posts)Yeah, I work for a corporation. Mine. One man corporation. It's a LLC.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)And work for myself.
I also work for my employees most of the time it seems....
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)too can be a stockholder.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)act like a real Democrat.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ranting to their choir.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)A (kinda) left-leaning version of Beck or Hannity or suchlike,..
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the hyperventilating hyperbole here has crossed the line into the absurd.
Hokie
(4,288 posts)I was trying to think of a less harsh adjective but couldn't. If that gets me juried so be it.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Almost as if it was planned.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... until she called the BS campaign out for lying about "not competing" in the states Bernie lost.
And then there was that interview with Bernie where he came off as a self-serving opportunist completely uninterested in down-ticket Democrats - and it was all Rachel's fault that he did so.
Welcome to the underside of the bus, Rachel - you'll find some great people under there to keep you company, i.e. ANYONE and EVERYONE who has refused to drink the BS Kool-aid!
riversedge
(70,299 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... thrown under that bus every time she's said something positive about HRC - then returned to the living every time she's said something positive about Bernie - then thrown under the bus again every time she says something negative about Bernie.
Are there ANY Democrats, liberals, progressives who have even questioned Bernie who are still standing?
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)him if he's the nominee? i don't think his supporters have thought about that.
they've been after hillary for more than 20 years and she knows how to handle them.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... actually believe that Bernie has never done anything in his entire life that is questionable.
They believe that the GOP would delve into every detail of BS's life looking for something untoward, and would come up empty-handed.
They believe that Bernie's entire life has been so pure, so honest, so without blemish or even a hint of scandal, the Republicans would just throw up their hands in frustration and say, "This guy's the real Messiah, and we have nothing to say against him."
Ya know, if only Jesus Christ had led as pure a life as Bernie Sanders, Pontius Pilate would never have been able to crucify him. The votes just wouldn't have been there.
Almost makes you want to say a novena to Saint Bernie - Patron Saint of the Politically Perfect.
I nominate Sister Joseph Anita to lead the prayers ...
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)forthcoming shortly. Expect miracles in due course.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)Bernie did transubstantiate into a Democrat when convenient, didn't he?
Does that count as Miracle #1?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)he, against all mathematics gets the nomination.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)They didn't make her sell her soul for 30 million.
They didn't make her vote to bomb Saddam.
They didn't make her vote for the Patriot Act.
They didn't make her "Clinton Foundation" do business with folks who want favors.
The list goes on a while.
I have to read the next silly opinion.
senz
(11,945 posts)Not sure if he means politics or sports, but if it's politics, I remember how shocked and horrified he was at Hillary's ugly unconscionable behavior in 2008. He saw right through phonies like her and Dubya.
So it could be interesting.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)fans hated him then too. i remember commenting on it.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... and says anything even remotely positive about HRC, or remotely negative about BS, he'll be under the bus along with Rachel - and Howard Dean, and John Lewis, and Al Franken, and Planned Parenthood - and every other individual, group or union that supports Hillary.
Interesting? Not really. I think the word you'd looking for is "predictable".
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Hillary doesn't even admit it is broken.
America isn't a real democracy, but why should she care right?
She cashed in for millions already.
"Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy"
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
BTW It is ok to say positive things about Hillary. I often do. It is skewing everything into something positive, and glossing over all the rest is where I have a problem.
I like the Clintons.
They just won't bring the change our country desperately needs.
Period.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)she was just a guest commentator. i don't care who she supports. i enjoy her show.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Now there's a name I hadn't seen anywhere yet in this primary campaign.
There's a whole generation of Americans who have come of age who have no idea who or what that name is about, and another one that has forgotten it entirely.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)I have a close friend that says they will never vote for Hillary just because Bill pardoned Mark Rich.
Why should we pay taxes when a tax cheater can make a donation to the foundation, and get a pardon.
This stinks beyond recognition, and our corporate media pretends it didn't happen.
Rachel, you gonna use the words "Mark Rich Pardon"?
Oh, hell no.
Only cost him a million dollars, and how much did he save on his taxes?
This is the scumbag Bill pardoned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Some people still can't handle the media being critical of their darling candidate.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)I am just saying she refuses to talk about all of Clinton's baggage. Not the Republican imaginary Binngazzi crap, but the real stuff like Foundation Favors, and poor decisions aplenty.
Chipper Chat
(9,687 posts)that a mere 3-8 years ago M$NBC offered Countdown, Cenk, Big Ed, Al Sharpton - liberal voices in PRIME TIME. What do we have now: A censored Chris Hayes, Lawrence, and a "she puts up with it in hopes on one day hosting MTP" Rachel. Sad.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Ed trashed TPP and he was gone like a Greyhound down the road.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Turn it off or get over it
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...or is it just that she didn't happen to support your candidate?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)ratings go down.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...anti-Hillary news. Just switch the channel.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Of course they are pro-Hillary.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)MSNBC is often third in ratings. Why she is so worshipped I'll never understand.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)You say nothing about Chris Hayes gushing and fawning over BS.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Was it pro-clinton or anti-Bernie?
Eko
(7,351 posts)so you better go get a bucket. I'm sorry she wont look into the conspiracy theories you want her to but she does a great job as a journalist. I suggest RT or Hartman, they seem up your alley.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Wow... you and I have different ideas of journalism. Kissing someone's butt and making googly eyes at them doesn't fit into my idea of journalism.
Eko
(7,351 posts)The fact that you used "Kissing someone's butt and making googly eyes at them " as the reason that she is a bad journalist reinforces that point one hundred percent.
Eko
(7,351 posts)You are critiquing a journalist with something a fourteen year old would say. A very petty fourteen year old.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)From the Ethical Journalism Network, these are the tenets of journalism:
Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee truth, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.
Independence
Journalists must be independent voices; we should not act, formally or informally, on behalf of special interests whether political, corporate or cultural. We should declare to our editors or the audience any of our political affiliations, financial arrangements or other personal information that might constitute a conflict of interest.
Fairness and Impartiality
Most stories have at least two sides. While there is no obligation to present every side in every piece, stories should be balanced and add context. Objectivity is not always possible, and may not always be desirable (in the face for example of brutality or inhumanity), but impartial reporting builds trust and confidence.
Humanity
Journalists should do no harm. What we publish or broadcast may be hurtful, but we should be aware of the impact of our words and images on the lives of others.
Accountability
A sure sign of professionalism and responsible journalism is the ability to hold ourselves accountable. When we commit errors we must correct them and our expressions of regret must be sincere not cynical. We listen to the concerns of our audience. We may not change what readers write or say but we will always provide remedies when we are unfair.
EJN members do not believe that we need to add new rules to regulate journalists and their work in addition to the responsibilities outlined above, but we do support the creation of a legal and social framework, that encourages journalists to respect and follow the established values of their craft.
In doing so, journalists and traditional media, will put themselves in a position to be provide leadership about what constitutes ethical freedom of expression. What is good for journalism is also good for others who use the Internet or online media for public communications.
So by this metric, Rachel Maddow can only really be considered a pundit.
For truth and accuracy, this is predicated on the third tenet, both of which she can't really be said to support by dint of the second. So long as she's being paid by MSNBC, which is firmly in Hillary's pocket, she is not independent. Since she is not independent, she can neither be truthful, accurate, fair, or impartial. The only things she's got going for her are humanity and a vague inkling of accountability. Let's call a spade a spade here, she's no journalist. She's just a paid talking head in the vein of Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly, just with less invective.
Eko
(7,351 posts)You have made a lot of claims but have presented no evidence to back it up.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Hillary isn't going to return the favor.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Yes it's very sad she doesn't fawn over Sanders. It amazes me how many Sanders supporters can't discern the difference between not fawning over Sanders and actual reporting.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Right?
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
I know Washington Times but it is factual.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/10/hillary-clintons-favors-to-foundation-donors-stret/?page=all
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nine-times-clinton-foundation-donors-got-special-access-at-state/article/2580451
The list goes on for quite a while, and I need a drink.
I am sure Rachel will investigate these "favors" thoroughly right......
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Or so I suspect.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)All cable news is either right wing or corporatist crap.
Maddow was good in the beginning when she was making a name for herself. Once she got established, she became like all the rest of the talking heads.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)...not because they don't like him.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)She may have a little bias for Hillary, but how can anyone not lean one way or the other? You can pretty much guess who any talking head will be voting for. I love Rachel and I love Bernie.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)whathehell
(29,090 posts)Like you, I love them both.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I can't see it...
Tell me your perspective, and I promise to not be combative in any way
whathehell
(29,090 posts)When I said "I love them both" I meant Bernie and Rachel Maddow.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Thanks for the clarification
whathehell
(29,090 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)If you could make this a petition on Change.org I'd be honored to sign.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...Nothing will change, but you'll "strike a blow" for...something.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)She's just another talking head hack and corporate shill. I cancelled by MSNBC cable subscription some months ago and I haven't missed it one iota.
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)her interview with the Democratic candidates proves that she is not completely immune to the conservative influence.
http://trofire.com/2016/04/04/what-has-msnbc-done-to-maddows-brain-get-out-now-save-yourself-rachel/
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)As a long time Rachel fan, I'm disappointed. Bias has no place in journalism.
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Better yet, cut the cable. Give yourself a respite and smell some flowers.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)And she does a better job than anyone else in exposing the Republicans for fraud.
Sorry but she doesn't need your approval to continue to do what she does.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)The sense of entitlement gets more ridiculous by the day.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)for money and fame.