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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:40 AM Apr 2016

Hillary will come out of the primary stronger by a long drawn out primary.

The same with Bernie if he pulls out a come from behind victory. The winner will thrash Trump. The only dangerous candidate is Kasich.

The only way he's the nominee will be if it's taken from Trump. That will result in a third party run.

In either scenario I see Hillary or Bernie carrying up to 40 states.

The conservative party is ready to run a third party candidate against Donald Trump.

I see the Democrats winning the Senate back but the gerrymandered house stays republican.






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Hillary will come out of the primary stronger by a long drawn out primary. (Original Post) JRLeft Apr 2016 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #1
It's possible she loses PA, but unlikely Bernie wins. His odds are better than they were but JRLeft Apr 2016 #3
I agree that the odds are still on Hillary's side. potone Apr 2016 #6
you misspelled AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #5
Bernie has been a prop in the greater scheme of things cosmicone Apr 2016 #2
If that's true it's only because the primary was stacked in Hillary's favor, but I don't JRLeft Apr 2016 #4
That's what happens ibegurpard Apr 2016 #8
You must have bought the "revolution messaging" 's memes cosmicone Apr 2016 #10
I was part of the "revolution" ibegurpard Apr 2016 #13
There is no revolution. There is an election. cosmicone Apr 2016 #14
if you don't want people to quote you ibegurpard Apr 2016 #17
Bernie promised to not run a negative campaign cosmicone Apr 2016 #18
Bernie represents people and opinions ibegurpard Apr 2016 #19
Sorry, disagree strongly. Bernie moved the national dialogue Hortensis Apr 2016 #11
I don't think so Kalidurga Apr 2016 #7
I hope she comes out of it retired. yourout Apr 2016 #9
My perosnal opinion is that Democrats will hold the White House for decades. SylviaD Apr 2016 #12
Kasich has been the GOP " Sleeper" by design. FarPoint Apr 2016 #15
No, the longer Bernie keeps catapulting the less $$ she'll have, and the more memes the VRWC ucrdem Apr 2016 #16
Bullshit the same meme was pushed in 08. You're paranoid for no reason. JRLeft Apr 2016 #20

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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
3. It's possible she loses PA, but unlikely Bernie wins. His odds are better than they were but
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:35 AM - Edit history (1)

the odds are still on Hillary's side.

potone

(1,701 posts)
6. I agree that the odds are still on Hillary's side.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

I think it is impossible to tell what will happen after the conventions. If it ends up being Trump versus Hillary, I think it could get very ugly. One thing in her favor there, despite her high negatives on the issue of trustworthiness, is that Trump simply can't control his mouth. He is bound to make sexist comments that will redound to his discredit, and may well alienate Republican women.

I do worry about Kasich. It is clear that the Republican party establishment is in a panic about Trump, and Cruz is not an appealing alternative. Kasich seems reasonable by comparison, but only if you don't pay attention to his horrifying record. The Democrats are going to have to make it very clear what he really stands for.

When I think about the possible outcome of this election, I want to hide under my bed.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
2. Bernie has been a prop in the greater scheme of things
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

His only function was to give Hillary exposure and not make it appear as a coronation.

Unfortunately, some of his supporters thought he was really going to win or something!

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
4. If that's true it's only because the primary was stacked in Hillary's favor, but I don't
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

want to get into that in this thread.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
10. You must have bought the "revolution messaging" 's memes
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

put out early to define Sanders as ethical and honest.

He has proven to be neither. Joke is on you to have so easily fallen for a marketing outfit.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
17. if you don't want people to quote you
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

Then don't use terms that you don't like.
Your candidate is a lying unethical politician without a principled stand on ANY issue.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
18. Bernie promised to not run a negative campaign
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

and when he fell behind, he started smearing and impugning Clinton's character.

How is that ethical? In what world is breaking a promise, going back on one's word ethical? Seems like your "ethics" are flexible as long as you get what you want.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
19. Bernie represents people and opinions
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

That were already there. Hillary's problems are of her own making. You can't run against your own record and expect people not to notice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Sorry, disagree strongly. Bernie moved the national dialogue
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:10 AM
Apr 2016

firmly left and not only with voters. He changed professional perceptions of how many voters, imcluding many conservatives, feel about government progressivism and even socialist programs after decades of right-wing efforts to convince them and us that we all bought their four decades of anti-regulation/anti-government mass influencing. This is huge. Yes, it will assist HRC's chances of enacting progressive reforms, but Charles Koch and his 700 have lost a great of ground this election and must loathe Sanders and us right back.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. I don't think so
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

The more people see her the less they like her. Her popularity has been declining since November or so and Bernie has been becoming more popular. There will be a whole lot Bernie supporters who are not going to take a stolen election lightly. I don't know what this group is going to do. I don't think we as a group know if there will be a consensus of action actually. I haven't seen any plans to do anything en-mass. If it happens that Bernie supporters all agree on one single course of action it will be a very very bad thing for the Democratic party and it will tank Hillary's chance of winning in the GE.

I think Hillary has gone way too far with her accusations. I don't see how she is going to bring back people that she might have won back with all the bridges she is burning. But, I guess we will see if people are more angry with her or more frightened of Republicans. I have no idea how that is going to play out.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
12. My perosnal opinion is that Democrats will hold the White House for decades.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

The Republican party is falling apart. Their demographics are dwindling. Their candidates have no mass appeal.

Whomever becomes our nominee will beat theirs easily, IMO.

Trump has no capacity to increase his base. He's a sideshow.

FarPoint

(12,469 posts)
15. Kasich has been the GOP " Sleeper" by design.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

Most obvious is that the Convention will be in Cleveland. Something I observed too was how relieved he was after winning Ohio. I sense he promised he would win Ohio in his audition with the GOP Backroom Boys when the deal was cut. Probably was conditional. He came through on his hedged bet that clinches his deal.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. No, the longer Bernie keeps catapulting the less $$ she'll have, and the more memes the VRWC
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

will have handy for the GE. There's nothing worthwhile to be gained from continuing this pointless exercise and a lot to be lost. Such has it ever been, however, so I'm not going to waste a lot of time complaining about it. But I don't think it's an accident.

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