2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary will come out of the primary stronger by a long drawn out primary.
The same with Bernie if he pulls out a come from behind victory. The winner will thrash Trump. The only dangerous candidate is Kasich.
The only way he's the nominee will be if it's taken from Trump. That will result in a third party run.
In either scenario I see Hillary or Bernie carrying up to 40 states.
The conservative party is ready to run a third party candidate against Donald Trump.
I see the Democrats winning the Senate back but the gerrymandered house stays republican.
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JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:35 AM - Edit history (1)
the odds are still on Hillary's side.
potone
(1,701 posts)I think it is impossible to tell what will happen after the conventions. If it ends up being Trump versus Hillary, I think it could get very ugly. One thing in her favor there, despite her high negatives on the issue of trustworthiness, is that Trump simply can't control his mouth. He is bound to make sexist comments that will redound to his discredit, and may well alienate Republican women.
I do worry about Kasich. It is clear that the Republican party establishment is in a panic about Trump, and Cruz is not an appealing alternative. Kasich seems reasonable by comparison, but only if you don't pay attention to his horrifying record. The Democrats are going to have to make it very clear what he really stands for.
When I think about the possible outcome of this election, I want to hide under my bed.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)"criminal defendant"
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)His only function was to give Hillary exposure and not make it appear as a coronation.
Unfortunately, some of his supporters thought he was really going to win or something!
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)want to get into that in this thread.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)When you give people an ethical alternative to corrupt politics as usual.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)put out early to define Sanders as ethical and honest.
He has proven to be neither. Joke is on you to have so easily fallen for a marketing outfit.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Before someone finally stepped forward to represent it.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Drop that pitchfork!!
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Then don't use terms that you don't like.
Your candidate is a lying unethical politician without a principled stand on ANY issue.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)and when he fell behind, he started smearing and impugning Clinton's character.
How is that ethical? In what world is breaking a promise, going back on one's word ethical? Seems like your "ethics" are flexible as long as you get what you want.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That were already there. Hillary's problems are of her own making. You can't run against your own record and expect people not to notice.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)firmly left and not only with voters. He changed professional perceptions of how many voters, imcluding many conservatives, feel about government progressivism and even socialist programs after decades of right-wing efforts to convince them and us that we all bought their four decades of anti-regulation/anti-government mass influencing. This is huge. Yes, it will assist HRC's chances of enacting progressive reforms, but Charles Koch and his 700 have lost a great of ground this election and must loathe Sanders and us right back.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The more people see her the less they like her. Her popularity has been declining since November or so and Bernie has been becoming more popular. There will be a whole lot Bernie supporters who are not going to take a stolen election lightly. I don't know what this group is going to do. I don't think we as a group know if there will be a consensus of action actually. I haven't seen any plans to do anything en-mass. If it happens that Bernie supporters all agree on one single course of action it will be a very very bad thing for the Democratic party and it will tank Hillary's chance of winning in the GE.
I think Hillary has gone way too far with her accusations. I don't see how she is going to bring back people that she might have won back with all the bridges she is burning. But, I guess we will see if people are more angry with her or more frightened of Republicans. I have no idea how that is going to play out.
yourout
(7,534 posts)SylviaD
(721 posts)The Republican party is falling apart. Their demographics are dwindling. Their candidates have no mass appeal.
Whomever becomes our nominee will beat theirs easily, IMO.
Trump has no capacity to increase his base. He's a sideshow.
FarPoint
(12,469 posts)Most obvious is that the Convention will be in Cleveland. Something I observed too was how relieved he was after winning Ohio. I sense he promised he would win Ohio in his audition with the GOP Backroom Boys when the deal was cut. Probably was conditional. He came through on his hedged bet that clinches his deal.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)will have handy for the GE. There's nothing worthwhile to be gained from continuing this pointless exercise and a lot to be lost. Such has it ever been, however, so I'm not going to waste a lot of time complaining about it. But I don't think it's an accident.