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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:22 AM Mar 2016

Wisconsin Journal Publishes Editorial CRITICAL of Hillary Clinton's Handling Of CLASSIFIED Material.

In a surprising development, the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel has just published an editorial challenging Hillary Clinton's qualifications to be our next president. I’ve doubled checked that this appears to be a reputable newspaper. If it is not I will take this down. This story may be highly upsetting to many so I’ve taken care to try to stick to the facts and figure out what is going on here. I’ve kept any opinions of my own out of this report although I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But also a Democrat who will fully support our Party’s nominee which seems likely to be Hillary Clinton in November. Noting that in a democracy that openness and honesty is the “foundational building block of the republic" an editorial in the Wisconsin Journal, entitled Clinton's abysmal record on open government questions Hillary Clinton’s suitability to be president.

"..As we noted Tuesday, Republican front-runner Donald Trump is not one of those candidates. But neither is Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. Her horrible track record on transparency raises serious concerns for open government under a Clinton administration — so serious we believe they may disqualify her from public office. We hope Wisconsin voters give this issue the consideration it deserves when they go to the polls on Tuesday.

In addition, regardless of Clinton's excuses, the only believable reason for the private server in her basement was to keep her emails out of the public eye by willfully avoiding freedom of information laws. No president, no secretary of state, no public official at any level is above the law. She chose to ignore it, and must face the consequences..."


http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/clintons-absymal-record-on-open-government-b99696012z1-374014501.html

The Wisconsin Journal quotes from this Sunday’s Washington Post article by Robert O'Harrow Jr. which reported that Clinton and her aides continued to use their Blackberries for State Department work even after being warned by the NSA not to.

"..Throughout, they paid insufficient attention to laws and regulations governing the handling of classified material and the preservation of government records, interviews and documents show. They also neglected repeated warnings about the security of the BlackBerry while Clinton and her closest aides took obvious security risks in using the basement server..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

The Journal also refers to a series of devastating revelations from the conservative Judicial Watch which received a favorable ruling from U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, in their Freedom of Information Act suit, who stunned observers by granting Judicial Watch a highly unusual limited right of discovery to depose current and former members of the State Department including most of Clinton’s immediate staff.

legitimate questions have been raised about whether Clinton's staff was trying to help her to sidestep the Freedom of Information Act.

"We're talking about a Cabinet-level official who was accommodated by the government for reasons unknown to the public," Sullivan said. "And I think that's a fair statement: For reasons heretofore unknown to the public. And all the public can do is speculate."

"This is all about the public's right to know," Sullivan added.

~snip~

The Journal notes Clinton has a long, well established pattern of behavior of trying to evade public disclosures siting five examples discussed last year by Pro Publica, as well as her refusal to release the transcripts of her speeches to banks siting the The New York Times:

"Voters have every right to know what Mrs. Clinton told these groups.... By refusing to release them all, especially the bank speeches, Mrs. Clinton fuels speculation about why she's stonewalling," the Times editorial said.

In closing the Journal asks voters to think long and hard.

Clinton has a long track record of public service but an equally long record of obfuscation, secrecy and working in the shadows to boost her power and further her ambition. We encourage voters to think long and hard about that record when choosing the next president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/opinion/mrs-clinton-show-voters-those-transcripts.html



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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/30/1508223/-Wisconsin-Journal-Clinton-s-abysmal-record-on-govt-openess-may-disqualify-her-for-public-office
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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
1. Largest WI paper - distributed throughout the state!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:01 AM
Mar 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Journal_Sentinel

Awards
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is a daily morning broadsheet printed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It is the primary newspaper in Milwaukee, the largest newspaper in Wisconsin and is distributed widely throughout the state. It is the namesake of its owner, Journal Media Group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Journal_Sentinel


The Milwaukee Journal and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel have received the Pulitzer Prize eight times:

In 1919, The Milwaukee Journal won the award for public service because of its stand against Germany in World War I.

In 1934, cartoonist Ross A. Lewis won for his cartoon on labor-industry violence.

In 1953, business desk reporter Austin C. Wehrwein won for international reporting with the series of stories "Canada's New Century."

In 1966, the series "Pollution: The Spreading Menace" garnered the award for public service.[14]

In 1977, Margo Huston became the first female staff member of The Milwaukee Journal to win a Pulitzer Prize. She won the award in the category of best general reporting for a series of articles on the elderly and the process of aging.[15]

In 2008, local government reporter David Umhoefer was awarded the 2008 Pulitzer Prize for Local Reporting for his investigation of the Milwaukee County pension system.[16]

In 2010, reporter Raquel Rutledge was awarded the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for local reporting for her investigations and stories on abuses in a state-run child care system.[17]

In 2011, Mark Johnson, Kathleen Gallagher, Gary Porter, Lou Saldivar, and Alison Sherwood were awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting for their "lucid examination of an epic effort to use genetic technology to save a 4-year-old boy imperiled by a mysterious disease, told with words, graphics, videos and other images."[18]
 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
2. The dedication to spreading right wing smears is admirable, almost as much as
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:32 AM
Mar 2016

The devotion to ignoring the simple fact that no information classified at the time was ever at risk. Things that were classified AFTER she left office don't support your case.

Read through the right wing silliness you are pinning your hopes on, and see why cheering on right wing anything does not support the proggressive, liberal or even Democratic goals.

I get that desperation has taken hold, and failure tastes bad, but this truly is sad if you actually believe the things you posted. I worry for you Due hard Bernie supporters, you are not handling things well, and Bernie and his advisors are not doing you any favors by encouraging you to glom onto any Right Wing ratfucking that comes your way.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
5. Your statement re: Classification is FACTUALLY INCORRECT
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:48 AM
Mar 2016

and makes ZERO logical sense.

Preparing this reply was a huge pain, so I hope I can get through to you.

The Washing Post has written a highly detailed account of the whole situation - you can read it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

Investigations were begun by congressional committees and inspector general’s offices in the State Department and the U.S. Intelligence Community, which referred the case to the FBI in July for “counterintelligence purposes” after determining that the server carried classified material.

The FBI is now trying to determine whether a crime was committed in the handling of that classified material. It is also examining whether the server was hacked.

NOTE NOT FROM ARTICLE: Screen shots of her emails were released by a hacker a few years ago BEFORE this went down. The hacker has now been extradited here, and is in custody in the United States.

(snip)

In a news conference last March, she (Clinton) said: “I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two.”

NOTE NOT FROM ARTICLE: State Department employees are NOT allowed to mix business and personal email accounts, and she even sent an email to staff reminding them of this.

(snip)

Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., who is presiding over one of the FOIA lawsuits, has expressed puzzlement over the affair. He noted that Clinton put the State Department in the position of having to ask her to return thousands of government records — her work email.

NOTE NOT IN ARTICLE: FOIA requests were showing blank because her work records were in her basement. She NEVER volunteered them; the only reason it was found was a young staffer during Benghazi investigations finally caught the email wasn't a standard ".gov" and all the hidden stuff was revealed.

(snip)

Her first known BlackBerry communication through the basement server came on Jan. 28, 2009, when Clinton exchanged notes with Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, then chief of the U.S. Central Command, according to a State Department spokeswoman. It has not been released.

NOTE NOT FROM ARTICLE: That name should ring a bell - go google why. It isn't because he was a good guy.

(snip)

The system had other features that made it vulnerable to talented hackers, including a software program that enabled users to log on directly from the World Wide Web.

Four computer-security specialists interviewed by The Post said that such a system could be made reasonably secure but that it would need constant monitoring by people trained to look for irregularities in the server’s logs.

NOTE NOT FROM ARTICLE: That stuff might not make sense if you aren't a computer geek, but basically "secure servers" require more than just an off-the-shelf anti-virus program. There was no "team" involved.

(snip)

State Department and Intelligence Community officials have determined that 2,093 email chains contained classified information. Most of the classified emails have been labeled as “confidential,” the lowest level of classification. Clinton herself authored 104 emails that contained classified material, a Post analysis later found.

NOTE NOT IN ARTICLE: A Secretary of State authoring classified material? Seems pretty logical, right? Kind of an accepted part of the job description - and to assume she didn't or wasn't going to do it for her entire tenure is not reasonable. Also, points for psychic ability in assuming heads of state and professional peers weren't EVER going to send "classified" material to her - which makes no sense, considering her job title.

(snip)

On June 28, 2011, in response to reports that Gmail accounts of government workers had been targeted by “online adversaries,” a note went out over Clinton’s name urging department employees to “avoid conducting official Department business from your personal email accounts.”

NOTE NOT IN ARTICLE: Ha! See mention above!

(snip)

At first, she flat-out denied that her server ever held any. “There is no classified material," she said at a March 10, 2015, news conference.

NOTE NOT IN ARTICLE: This is why you say what you said - you believed her.

Twenty-two emails discovered later were deemed so highly classified that they were withheld in their entirety from public release. “They are on their face sensitive and obviously classified,” Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah), a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told The Post. “This information should have been maintained in the most secure, classified, top-secret servers.”

NOTE NOT IN ARTICLE: She lied. And this was only in the first batch because this comment was before the FBI retrieved the 32,000 deleted "personal" emails that weren't JUST personal - you can view them at wiki leaks - a substantial number are GOVERNMENT BUSINESS.


Next, the CONTENT of the emails, with issues like "Sidney Blumenthal, paid Clinton Foundation employee banned by White House, discussing/copying/Top Secret intelligence reports" being front and center. Speculation on the unreleased emails (not sure how many) involves the Clinton Foundation donors getting "special treatment" in what may be a "pay to play" scheme not in the best interests of the American government - go google arms deals to Foundation donors because this seems like a plausible explanation for previously head scratching dumb decisions - and odds are good those are the types of "interviews" the FBI and NSA are doing.

This is an UGLY MESS and it is NOT A RIGHT WING SMEAR JOB. This is stuff people are currently sitting in jail over and it is darn near a test of our value systems as a country:

Are some of us "more equal" than others? Are we ALL equal before the law?

I hope this helped. This situation has nothing to do with Bernie. Hillary was given trust and power, and she flat out abused it.

Whether you like Bernie Sanders or not, Hillary Clinton is not fit to be President of the United States.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
3. It's the Milwaukee Journal. Not Wisconsin. And it's a right wing rag which sent out an anti Muslim
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:41 AM
Mar 2016

DVD to its subscribers in 2008.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html

And they have a long history of supporting Scott Walker. Liberals here do not take them seriously. The only frothing of the mouth over this is from right wingers.

The GOP here is terrified of Clinton. All the ads were bombarded with from Cruz, Kasich and the PACs are doom and gloom about how we can't have Clinton win. It's a lot like DU in a way.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
7. NYTimes & Wall Street Journal also distributed this as "product sample"
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:44 AM
Mar 2016

That is according to your very own link - didn't you read the whole thing? 70 newspapers in swing states were each paid to include a DVD with their papers. It's called advertising.

One of 70 examples: in North Carolina, another battleground state that John McCain must win to reach 270 electoral votes, 160,000 copies of the DVD are to be distributed tomorrow by the state’s leading newspaper.


As detailed in an OffTheBus report on HuffPo two days ago, the DVDs were distributed last weekend in national editions of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal within selected swing states. These included Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Colorado, Iowa, Florida, Wisconsin, Nevada, New Hampshire and Virginia.


But we can all take note, that HRC supporters like you consider the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal are right wing rags.





PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
8. You ignored the rest of my post. I said nothing about NYT or WSJ
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

For example, I said: "And they have a long history of supporting Scott Walker. Liberals here do not take them seriously. The only frothing of the mouth over this is from right wingers. "

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/105358553.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

melm00se

(5,001 posts)
4. Jury results
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:45 AM
Mar 2016

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is right wing nonsense, plain and simple. Please hide it, we are better than this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:43 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Censoring information because we don't like it? No thanks. Hillary will have to account for her mishandling of classified information. Period.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The Milwaukee (not Wisconsin) Journal is a right wing rag which sent out a hateful anti Muslim DVD to its subscribers in 2008.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: yeah, it is right wing nonsense, but apparantly from a real paper and no worse than a lot of shit around here. i can't fucking wait for this primary to end!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is opinion. Refute it if you like, but an alert is not necessary.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see nothing in the entire thread, an OP and 2 replies to refute what has been published by a Pulitzer Prize winning organization. Disagree, then respond in writing to what is untrue in the article.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
6. FYI Juror #2, you got the wrong newspaper.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:56 AM
Mar 2016

The one referenced as a Pulitzer winning paper is actually the correct newspaper/not the one you mention.

Okay, I know the juror will probably never see that, but I had to say it! Lol!

"Oh, wait! Stop everything! Someone on the Internet is WRONG!"

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