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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:43 PM Mar 2016

CAN Bernie Sanders FILL a 50,000 Seat Stadium on Two Days Notice?

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)





ON EDIT:

The event is scheduled to get underway at 4 p.m. Pacific time, with Sanders himself arriving at the podium at about 7 p.m. Pacific time, or 10 p.m. Eastern time.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2926192/watch-bernie-sanders-seattle-safeco-field-rally-stream-live-54000-seat-ballpark-to-feel-the-bern-friday/




If there is ever written a history of Bernie Sanders winning the Democratic nomination in 2016, there will almost certainly be an event or series of events identified as the turning point in his come-from-behind battle against Hillary Clinton. Well, this afternoon comes an event, at 4:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, that may become part of that hypothetical future history.


An enduring and persistent feature of Bernie Sanders’ campaign, almost from the very beginning, has been Bernie’s consistent ability to draw unusually large crowds to his events. He has filled State Fair Midways, hockey arenas, basketball field houses, school gymnasiums and auditoriums, theaters, convention halls and almost every other manner of mass public venue. From early on it seemed that he could even fill a large stadium if he wished, but he didn’t make any appearances at all with the potential for such giant crowds. As early as last August, some of Bernie’s supporters petitioned him to begin making stadium appearances, specifically, a football stadium in Alabama where Donald Trump appeared and couldn’t fill it up more than ½ way. But despite continuing to draw overflow crowds all over the country, Bernie still has not tried to fill up a 50,000+ seat venue.


Until today.


Can’t help but wonder why Bernie has waited so long to appear before such potentially large crowds? Why start here, and now, in Seattle, WA, and why not earlier, such as when begged to go to Alabama in August 2015? Some of the answers seem obvious; others, perhaps, less so. The main thing is the structural design of the Sanders campaign and the purpose for which he conducts these appearances. These rallies are not simply entertainment, so that people can have a good time. These rallies are one of the fundamental organizing pillars if the campaign. They are the font from which spring Bernie Sanders’ social media and grassroots organizing strengths. Every mass gathering feeds the infobase of volunteers whose time and small donations power the pending political revolution.


Bernie has been turning-out huge, overcapacity crowds all over the Pacific Northwest. His organizing model has enjoyed great success in caucus states. A large trove of delegates is at stake in the caucuses in Washington tomorrow. Given all of that, the choice of Seattle for Bernie’s first mass stadium rally of the campaign seems increasingly like a no brainer. But Bernie’s campaign only scheduled the Safeco Field rally two days ago. Let us hope that is enough time to draw in a capacity crowd. What happens today and tomorrow could eventually come to be seen as part of a turning point in Bernie Sanders’ uphill struggle against the strongly favored front runner. But that will not come to be unless Bernie fills the house tonight.


My younger daughter is a graduate of the University of Washington and is blasting out the event info to her social media universe. Anyone else who can do so through their own contacts in Washington and Oregon should do the same. Let’s help make sure we fill Safeco Field to the roof for Bernie Sanders for President.


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CAN Bernie Sanders FILL a 50,000 Seat Stadium on Two Days Notice? (Original Post) Segami Mar 2016 OP
Hillary FILLED her voting count by a plurality of more than 2.5 million votes. onehandle Mar 2016 #1
she also filled her bank account with Wall Street speaking fees.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #2
ROFL +10,000 nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #145
LOL!...The Clintons are grifters.... Segami Mar 2016 #7
Trump and Clinton on the Campaign Trail will be a new road movie, The Huckster & The Grifter Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #13
Well Put! Perhaps We Are in The Midst of The Turning Point... It Began to Happen This Past Tuesday CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #140
Katy Perry in Iowa -- hired out Jackilope Mar 2016 #28
ah, bill and hill. roguevalley Mar 2016 #37
They'll just say it's another right wing hit job...n/t tokenlib Mar 2016 #42
You know.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #130
Why do you wanna go and give grifters... dchill Mar 2016 #81
Popular votes do NOT count in a Presidential election. bvar22 Mar 2016 #11
This is the Democratic primary, not the general election. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #27
Popular votes you are so proudly parading around DU bvar22 Mar 2016 #38
Democrats all over the country get a say on who the Democratic nominee should be. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #41
If only Sanders had got as much news coverage. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #43
Yes. But the ALL of the Red States she was so stong in... bvar22 Mar 2016 #44
Sigh... A bit more math using your metric. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #61
I heard she filled George Clooney's dining table pdsimdars Mar 2016 #33
Gloat while you can. Sooner or later we will drag the wealthy bastards into the streets and send rhett o rick Mar 2016 #113
The most amazing race this century and it's not reported on. ViseGrip Mar 2016 #3
That's why ... it's not in the the Establishment's best interest. libdem4life Mar 2016 #6
Thanx for posting.. disillusioned73 Mar 2016 #4
I know, I discovered a few days ago and it's great! eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #52
Well, It IS GOOD FRIDAY! If He Can It COULD Be The Biggest Event Ever! BUT ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #5
No. kristopher Mar 2016 #8
I doubt it, the corporate media conglomerates will continue to focus on either Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #9
He might get covered if he doesn't fill the stadium. thereismore Mar 2016 #12
You must not live in Seattle. LisaM Mar 2016 #20
It's awesome, but sort of like preaching to the choir. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #78
Key Phrase "covered heavily IN THE LOCAL news." bvar22 Mar 2016 #137
Weather is forecast to be decent. suffragette Mar 2016 #10
A friend talked to a Sanders volunteer at the Springsteen concert last night LisaM Mar 2016 #14
Now that is what is known as a "stretch"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #17
First, Bernie has also held similar fundraising events. The $2700 is the max individual donation LisaM Mar 2016 #19
I do know where the $2700 figure comes from... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #23
She's raising money that will also be used for other races, you know. LisaM Mar 2016 #26
That is called "buying support from the establishment." IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #30
I've never said any such thing. LisaM Mar 2016 #32
So, does that mean you're supporting Bernie? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #34
I heard him give his big plan for getting back the Senate. LisaM Mar 2016 #36
Sounds better than tamping spirits down. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #79
How else do you get back the Senate? No matter who wins the nomination we will have to liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #115
Exactly. bjo59 Mar 2016 #116
How nice of you to trash young people that are excited about Bernie. They treat him like a rock star jillan Mar 2016 #39
Ew ... Trajan Mar 2016 #87
Did you just call me slimy? LisaM Mar 2016 #146
I didn't call you slimy Trajan Mar 2016 #147
It has been known since the 70s that The Revolution will not be televised. bvar22 Mar 2016 #15
If Bernie charges thousands of dollars per seat in the stadium, he would not fill it. bvar22 Mar 2016 #16
Do you have an extra $353K laying around for dinner?... Segami Mar 2016 #18
Not yet, bvar22 Mar 2016 #24
Remember, though, that $353,000 is for TWO people. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #40
Remember as well, that fundraising isn't from one (or even two) people... brooklynite Mar 2016 #69
Do it Seattle! marions ghost Mar 2016 #21
As Bruce was in town last night, perhaps he will show up too. nt mattvermont Mar 2016 #22
Why, yes, Bruce should campaing for Bernie like bill does for hillary angstlessk Mar 2016 #31
most candidates for office work on getting supporters to actually cast a vote for them, DrDan Mar 2016 #25
But Hiullary is not Gwhittey Mar 2016 #45
Sanders is introducing himself to the nation, the NY deadline to register as a Dem was BEFORE ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #60
I tweeted about it. NT Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #29
Remember we had the "Arab Spring" blossom from social media pdsimdars Mar 2016 #35
social media was a tool reddread Mar 2016 #56
Big lines, lots of pics here suffragette Mar 2016 #46
Great & thanks suffragette for the great pic's link! Segami Mar 2016 #48
Thank you for another great thread! suffragette Mar 2016 #50
OMG... Sikhs for Bernie. SMC22307 Mar 2016 #70
Oh, that 2nd pic is beautiful, too. suffragette Mar 2016 #72
My pleasure. Another good one... SMC22307 Mar 2016 #73
Powerful message. suffragette Mar 2016 #74
Ooooh, I like them both.. Segami Mar 2016 #75
Yep. I'm flashing back to Dearborn, MI. SMC22307 Mar 2016 #80
Would you mind elaborating on what happened ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #141
Sanders, 60% of the vote. SMC22307 Mar 2016 #142
That is awesome! Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #143
My pleasure. (n/t) SMC22307 Mar 2016 #144
K&R amborin Mar 2016 #47
The question is will that translate into votes... asuhornets Mar 2016 #49
I'm at work or I would be on it. Is he at Safeco field right now? I'm 15 miles away. Zira Mar 2016 #51
Oh, this is such a tough call. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #54
There is still time if you want to try.... Segami Mar 2016 #55
Thank you! Good info. Last week I tried to see him at Key Arena but it was full. Hopefully Safeco Zira Mar 2016 #57
I hope the Bernie Sanders of the younger generation who comes along and takes the reins Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #53
Projection worthy of the Bell & Howell museum. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #66
If Bernie gets this number. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #58
Obama in 2008 CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #62
Was that after he got the nomination ??? SamKnause Mar 2016 #84
Yes...it was in October 2008 Segami Mar 2016 #88
I am not knocking president Obama's crowd, but I think SamKnause Mar 2016 #95
Thank you for asking the question; I was wondering, too. pacalo Mar 2016 #129
Very short notice and the event was also on Good Friday. Segami Mar 2016 #131
He had 75k in Oregon in May CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #103
Lots more pics here suffragette Mar 2016 #59
Link to Bernie 2016 tv to watch it live CentralMass Mar 2016 #63
Answer: no brooklynite Mar 2016 #64
In other words, still 10x as many who bothered to see Clinton earlier this week (nt) chascarrillo Mar 2016 #67
...which appears to have nothing to do with the turnout of voters... brooklynite Mar 2016 #68
Maybe you should ponder Segami Mar 2016 #71
I suppose I could...if you hadn't raise the question of filling the stadium in the OP... brooklynite Mar 2016 #76
Maybe this gathering is serving another purpose.... Segami Mar 2016 #77
No. The more important measure for this race is securing delegates. morningfog Mar 2016 #86
True! Clinton + 304! brooklynite Mar 2016 #89
294! Actually. morningfog Mar 2016 #91
they stopped letting people in because of a suspicious package found. JudyM Mar 2016 #96
...and then they let them in again... brooklynite Mar 2016 #97
no idea, i'm not there. i do have another idea though: hillary doesnt come close JudyM Mar 2016 #99
How many people can you find that are willing to give up their Friday night evenings.. Segami Mar 2016 #104
(smile) good point. there are far more interesting reruns on tv. JudyM Mar 2016 #106
Local news just said people stopped from entering due to unattended bag suffragette Mar 2016 #65
DKos: timestamp 10:03 eastern brooklynite Mar 2016 #82
Ouch, EPIC FAIL itsrobert Mar 2016 #85
You are the EPIC FAIL. dchill Mar 2016 #98
15,000 people on 48 fucking hours notice, Friday night nc4bo Mar 2016 #100
I don't doubt that Sanders fans would show up wherever a speech was announced... brooklynite Mar 2016 #108
I wonder why Portland had nearly double that fun n serious Mar 2016 #110
I live in a redder than red Trump Rulez county in North Carolina and seeing this made me feel nc4bo Mar 2016 #117
It's not cold right now in the PNW.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #119
I'd be freezing my butt off at about 50!! :) nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #120
Lol. Nah fun n serious Mar 2016 #123
We used to be purple but sigh.........no more. You should see what we've got going on nc4bo Mar 2016 #124
I read about that. I don't know how or why fun n serious Mar 2016 #125
They really should threaten and make it believable enough to scare the pants off Gov'nor. nc4bo Mar 2016 #126
That photo was 10 am this morning. 20,000 people were there tonight. uppityperson Mar 2016 #107
Bernie was in PORTLAND AT 1PM- fun n serious Mar 2016 #111
He was in Portland at 11, and Safeco field in Sttl wasn't full an hour before that? uppityperson Mar 2016 #112
I heard 15000 in Seattle Portland is smaller and had 28000 fun n serious Mar 2016 #114
Bernie was just in Seattle 5 days ago. This one was set up only 2 days ago after the earlier one uppityperson Mar 2016 #133
Yes it is. fun n serious Mar 2016 #134
Buying your own hype and overestimating: priceless KingFlorez Mar 2016 #102
There was still a very long line outside and around the block with thousands of more people in it at basselope Mar 2016 #118
Ummm.... caduceus111 Mar 2016 #136
Exactly; upper and middle tiers largely empty. brooklynite Mar 2016 #138
Apparently. dchill Mar 2016 #83
At $3,500 a seat. nc4bo Mar 2016 #90
That's cheap! dchill Mar 2016 #92
You're right - $250,000! Photo op NOT included. nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #93
I could've gotten to meet her in LA a few months ago for $500 basselope Mar 2016 #101
LOL! Segami Mar 2016 #105
You got a steal of a deal basselope LOL. Don't blame you on the pass though, nope. nc4bo Mar 2016 #122
I think the funnier thing was my friend posted a picture on her FB page from the event. basselope Mar 2016 #127
Hillary had to have a blue-light special sale on access to her! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #128
TBH, I think my friend was thinking she was doing me a "favor" basselope Mar 2016 #132
And 30,000 just a few days ago in the same fucking city! WOW! ViseGrip Mar 2016 #94
The party needs him, especially flamingdem Mar 2016 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Mar 2016 #121
Only a measly 15K reported by MSbots....Lies,, Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #135
+1 quantumjunkie Mar 2016 #139

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. Hillary FILLED her voting count by a plurality of more than 2.5 million votes.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

Sorry... What were you saying?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
7. LOL!...The Clintons are grifters....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

They only way Hillary could fill a venue to capacity is if her campaign team hired people/actors to stand in as supporters.....

In the meantime, Hillary will continue having her tiny, 'intimate' get-togethers with her folks.......simply put, nobody has the drive or passion to come out to stand for hours in rain & cold just to listen to her spew drivel for an hour......




CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
140. Well Put! Perhaps We Are in The Midst of The Turning Point... It Began to Happen This Past Tuesday
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:10 AM
Mar 2016

It will continue today...

It will grow from here. People are beginning to understand just WHO Bernie is and has been his entire life while at the same time finally seeing the contrast as Hillary's purposefully overlooked past begins to see the light of day... Corporatist MSM be damned!

Jackilope

(819 posts)
28. Katy Perry in Iowa -- hired out
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

HRC can only dream of genuine enthusiasm and crowd turn out. Ah, but she does have her pricey and 1% dinner fundraisers.

Visually, a good example of who is really for the people and who HRC stands with.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
130. You know..
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:02 AM
Mar 2016

Your enthusiasm for Bernie reminds me of how I was for Obama. He was elected on my 40th birthday. I went out with friends and watched as the LANDSLIDE win came in. I celebrated 2 things, the big 40 and " hope and change." Repukes are rigging elections in red states. So depressing what is happening because of the gutted VRA.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. Popular votes do NOT count in a Presidential election.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

You already know this?...Yes?
I believe you do, but this worthless stat seems so very popular with the Hillary supporters.

*Will Hillary win South Carolina?

*Will Hillary win Georgia?

*Will Hillary Alabama?

*Will Hillary win Mississippi?

*Will Hillary win Louisiana?

*Will Hillary win her "Home State" of Arkansas?

In case you need the schooling, the answer is NO, not a prayer, so all those popular votes are worth NOTHING, because, in Presidential Election the states are Winner Take All. Winning the "plurality" of votes nationwide is worthless. Might as well throw them in the trash can. Ask Al Gore.

But if it makes you feel good, keep holding on to the blankie of worthless numbers.

*If you ask the hopeful, Hillary has an outside chance of winning Arkansas, but from some of us active on the ground in Arkansas, I have seen little evidence of that.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
38. Popular votes you are so proudly parading around DU
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:52 PM
Mar 2016

also do not count in at the Democratic Convention. Delegates count, not the popular vote.

You view is REALLY short sighteded. We WILL have a General Election,
and Hillary can kiss those Red States that seem to like her for some unexplained reason
will ALSO not count. She will NEVER win those states in the General.
You had better think about that before you help dig the hole you and the rest of us won't be able to climb out of.

LuvLoogie

(7,092 posts)
41. Democrats all over the country get a say on who the Democratic nominee should be.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:41 PM
Mar 2016

It is the people who show up at the polls that determine the delegates. Not the people that show up at political rallies and flood twitter with unresearched memes. Hillary supporters get to vote in the Democratic primaries. And so far, more of them have shown up.

Bernie is running for the Democratic Party nomination because there is no better vehicle for his mantra. Real, actual voters are choosing Hillary over Bernie because they see her as the better candidate. They get to vote.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
43. If only Sanders had got as much news coverage.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary has gotten 4 to 1 amount of time on TV. If you don't think that is effecting the majority of voters then you are out of touch with reality. Most older people don't use internet except for email and posting pictures of grand kids. This is also why we see a large number of African Americans go for Clinton. Lack of real news sources from internet. A much larger portion of African Americans over 35(think it is 60%) do not have access to broad band internet. And you can not sit here and tell me Cable TV has no been biased in this primaries. Trump has gotten 3x more coverage than Clinton has. So one can not really tell who voters really want because a large part of voter base do not get information they need. You are going to see this in GE how Trump is going to get 24/7 positive coverage from news because they will kiss his ass because they are afraid of losing coverage of him.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
44. Yes. But the ALL of the Red States she was so stong in...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

...will be a BIG ZERO for Hillary in the General Election.
Look Ahead instead of obsessing about something that will not matter (as in ZERO) in the General Election.

LuvLoogie

(7,092 posts)
61. Sigh... A bit more math using your metric.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

Here are the blue states that Barack won in 2012 that Bernie has also won this primary:

State Electoral Votes

NH 4
VT 3
ME 4
MN 10
CO 9
MI 16

TOTAL TO DATE 46


Here are the blue states that Barack won in 2012 that Hillary has also won this primary:

State Electoral Votes

MA 11
OH 18
IL 20
FL 29
NV 6
IA 6
VA 13

TOTAL TO DATE 103

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
113. Gloat while you can. Sooner or later we will drag the wealthy bastards into the streets and send
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

them packing to China. I am guessing you choose to side with the big money because you think they are more powerful than the People, but you are wrong. 50,000,000 living in poverty say you are on the wrong side of this class war. And if you think they will like you, you are a fool. A fool on the wrong side of this class war.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. That's why ... it's not in the the Establishment's best interest.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

The American Revolution was likely not reported on much in England, either. Although they did not have modern media. I'm sure it was handled as just a bunch of crazies who couldn't cut it in Europe.

This is the standard response to anything "out of the box", so to speak.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
5. Well, It IS GOOD FRIDAY! If He Can It COULD Be The Biggest Event Ever! BUT
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

if he does, will he FINALLY get covered??

Uncle Joe

(58,659 posts)
9. I doubt it, the corporate media conglomerates will continue to focus on either
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

terror or the Trump/Cruz spat over their wives.

If Bernie only gets 40-45 thousand in a 50 thousand capacity venue, they might focus on that.

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
20. You must not live in Seattle.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

His rally last Sunday at Key Arena was covered heavily on the local news.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
137. Key Phrase "covered heavily IN THE LOCAL news."
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:20 AM
Mar 2016

How much of that LOCAL news made it to the MSM.
Everybody in the area already KNEW he drew a massive crowd, but that did little good if it was Blacked Out[/] out or marginalized on the MSM.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
10. Weather is forecast to be decent.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

So that's a good start.
Can't go, but spoke to many yesterday who are planning to be there

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
14. A friend talked to a Sanders volunteer at the Springsteen concert last night
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

She asked why they were having another big rally (during rush hour on a Friday) when they just had one at Key Arena (about seven miles away) just a few days ago.

He actually admitted to her, "we're trying to have the biggest rally ever!"

It's very telling that the writer's daughter is media blasting all her friends to attend. If you were going to go to a rally, wouldn't it be based on deeply held beliefs or a desire to learn about a candidate? Would you only go because all your friends were going and to try and set a record for a big rally?

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
17. Now that is what is known as a "stretch"...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

...as in, stretching and straining to find something negative to say about enthused young people encouraging others to attend a rally.

Of course Bernie and his team would like to have a record-setting rally right now. Everyone knows that Washington is pretty much make-or-break for the campaign. So it makes sense to put together a giant rally as part of the strategy. Now you think we ought to consider the motives of everyone who might attend the rally? Really? Who cares why they go anyway? Once there, they will hear Bernie's ideas, and that is the real reason for having the rally anyway.

Anyway, by the same token we might ask what are the motives of those who pay $2700 or more to hobnob with Hillary? I have never asked that question, but after reading this post, maybe I'll start hammering on that one.

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
19. First, Bernie has also held similar fundraising events. The $2700 is the max individual donation
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:42 PM
Mar 2016

So that's why they use that figure. I'd like to point out that Hillary did three events, and two were free. She was in Everett and spoke to the machinists at Boeing, and then she was at Rainier Beach high school on Tuesday to speak to volunteers and high school kids.

Sanders just held an enormous rally a week ago. He also had one in Vancouver, Washington and one in Spokane. I am not against enthusiasm at all. I would not ever, though, attend a rally because my friends did or to set a record! And this rally is just window dressing.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
23. I do know where the $2700 figure comes from...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

...although it will cost a lot more than that for people to attend the event with Hillary, George Clooney and his wife:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz43whmyX8F

It will cost more than four times the average income in San Francisco to have dinner next to Hillary Clinton and the Clooneys there next month.

For two seats at the head table with Clinton, George Clooney and his wife, attorney Amal Clooney, at an April 15 fundraiser, a couple must contribute or raise a whopping $353,400 — a huge ticket price for a hard-dollar fundraiser.

(...)

While the maximum donation to a presidential campaign is $2,700 for the primary elections (plus another $2,700 for the general), the Hillary Victory Fund can accept much larger contributions because it is a so-called joint fundraising committee that is comprised of multiple committees.


So she has events that cost some attendees hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend, and Bernie has events that anyone can attend for free -- but you have decreed that his event is mere "window dressing"?

Shall we consider what their motives are for attending Hillary's fundraiser with the Clooneys? I'm sure they're enthused, I'm just not sure about what, and the events are not done in public, so us riff raff have little chance to find out. Nor are we likely to run into a Clinton volunteer at a concert who can tell us what the "real" motives are (and BTW, your story is anecdotal, with a young volunteer speaking off the cuff, which you use to extrapolate as to the supposed motives of any attendees who might show up).

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
26. She's raising money that will also be used for other races, you know.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

I don't believe that, to date, Sanders has done so. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't actually recall him ever being out in Washington state to stump for any of our candidates over the years, either, while Hillary has been out here many, many times campaigning for our Dems. We need to win more races than just the President.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
30. That is called "buying support from the establishment."
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:32 PM
Mar 2016

Also known as "pay to play". It doesn't make me like her more. It does the opposite.

"Support Hillary or Else."

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
32. I've never said any such thing.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016

I think it's important to possibly take back the Senate and get a few more seats in the House, it may not be the best government model ever but it's the one we've got.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
34. So, does that mean you're supporting Bernie?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

She generates NO enthusiasm, and Bernie generates Yuuuuuge enthusiasm and we're going to need a Yuuuuuge turnout to turn the Senate and House.
In every state Hillary has won there was LOW turnout and in every state Bernie won there was big turnout . . breaking records.
Do a little honest thinking.

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
36. I heard him give his big plan for getting back the Senate.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:09 PM
Mar 2016

Generate enthusiasm. What a solid strategy.


liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
115. How else do you get back the Senate? No matter who wins the nomination we will have to
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

fight to get the Senate back. How will Hillary do it? Cronyism and pay to play, you do me a favor, I'll do you a favor? That's exactly why there is no enthusiasm and over half the country doesn't vote at all. Because of the corrupt way DC does business.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
39. How nice of you to trash young people that are excited about Bernie. They treat him like a rock star
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:56 PM
Mar 2016

Even if they all don't come out and caucus for him they are getting what is probably their first lesson about politics....

and what an exciting way to learn.

Back in the day when I was their age my first real journey into the political system was a class my freshman year of college when I wrote a report about Ford v Carter.

I envy these millennials. How exciting for them!

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
87. Ew ...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

Really kinda slimy ...

Maybe people respect his philosophies AND want to have the largest rally of the entire political season, just to brag about it ....

It is possible to be thoughtful about a candidate's platform AND desire a chance to commingle with like-minded supporters for a sense of solidarity and common purpose ...

See? ... There are many ways a person could desire spectacle AND a specific brand of political thought ... And it's just as legitimate as any other choice by any other person ...

LisaM

(27,875 posts)
146. Did you just call me slimy?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

Simply because I think people should attend a rally for other reasons than puffing up the numbers? You do know that he held a large rally just a week earlier, right?

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
147. I didn't call you slimy
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

I was referring to the insinuation as slimy politics ... A smear ...

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
15. It has been known since the 70s that The Revolution will not be televised.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:25 PM
Mar 2016

We have to accept that, and use alternative media, like we have been doing.

But even with a MSM blackout and debates, and with all the powers of the DNC and conservative Democratic Establishment, Bernie is doing much better than I ever expected, and now has a chance to win the whole kaboozle.

If Hillary wins, her term will be a nightmare. Too many people now KNOW who and what The Clintons are.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
16. If Bernie charges thousands of dollars per seat in the stadium, he would not fill it.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

Thank gawd Bernie is a Man of the People, and NOT a representative of just the RICH.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
18. Do you have an extra $353K laying around for dinner?...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

Well, come on down and find yourself a front table spot next to the Clooneys and the Clintons but don't forget to bring along your cash,..err..cough, cough,....check for $353,000.00.


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
24. Not yet,
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

...but I'm sure that when my "High Paying NAFTA job" that I was promised when they sent my old job to Mexico comes through,
I'll be able to afford it.

Yep.
My promised NAFTA job should be getting here any day now.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,226 posts)
40. Remember, though, that $353,000 is for TWO people.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

So that comes out to only $176,500/person (and you don't even have to tip!). Better now?

And since the maximum is $2700, that's all you have to come up with! $2700 for you, $2700 for your companion, and all you have to do is put the arm on 128 more of your closest friends who are also willing to shell out $2700 for the chance to look at the 8x10 glossy of you and whoever rubbing elbows with royalty! (Sure beats sharing a Happy Meal with that annoying neighbor who keeps scratching himself all during dinner.)

Betcha not even Carrot Top can command THAT many Benjamins! And you don't even have to bow or curtsy (although it might be appreciated and be a factor in your next government contract). Just cough up the bucks, Maddi. I'm not kidding.

(I would have jumped all over it, but I spent this week's discretionary budget having the Bentley serviced and hiring another servant to peel grapes.)


On edit: Yes, I realize that 130 x $2700 still leaves one $2000 short. No problem. Shake down the kids. They've been freeloading since they were born, it's about time the little nippers learned what's REALLY important in life, yes?

brooklynite

(95,174 posts)
69. Remember as well, that fundraising isn't from one (or even two) people...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

...that would be against FEC rules. It's from people who encourage others to make contributions. And it's for the Party, not for Clinton.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
25. most candidates for office work on getting supporters to actually cast a vote for them,
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

but good luck . . . . it will be quite the feather-in-the-cap

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
45. But Hiullary is not
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

She is getting votes based on her name alone. She Started this race at a 60+ margin and now it is virtually tied in national polls. She has lost so much as time went on and more people actually got truth about Sanders message instead of the media keeping it quite. If he had gotten as much time as Hillary in 2015 this would be a whole different election.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
60. Sanders is introducing himself to the nation, the NY deadline to register as a Dem was BEFORE ...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

the first scheduled debate, two months after the Repubs!

You have to love our party leadership that delayed debates which favored the known candidate.



If you are Not registered to vote in NY you have until midnight tonight to do so.



 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
35. Remember we had the "Arab Spring" blossom from social media
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe this will be the first actual sprout of the "American Spring" brought about through social media with NO HELP from MSM

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
50. Thank you for another great thread!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

Wish I could go to Safeco today, but I WILL be at the caucus tomorrow.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
70. OMG... Sikhs for Bernie.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

That *totally* brought a smile to my face, and is definitely in my Top Ten of primary pics!



Another nice one:



SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
73. My pleasure. Another good one...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:58 PM
Mar 2016


A cancer survivor who supports Sanders' healthcare-for-all message. THESE are the people who matter, not micro-aggrieved loudmouths on a message board.
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
75. Ooooh, I like them both..
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

Very moving for me to see such communities putting their trust & hope in Bernie's candidacy.





Thank you.....

Karma13612

(4,555 posts)
54. Oh, this is such a tough call.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:21 PM
Mar 2016

I don't normally call in sick at work, but getting to see Bernie, especially at a potentially history making event is certainly tempting.

I think I would suddenly have a "stomach bug" and book out of there!!

Good luck and tell us if you did wind up going....


 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
55. There is still time if you want to try....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:28 PM
Mar 2016
The event is scheduled to get underway at 4 p.m. Pacific time, with Sanders himself arriving at the podium at about 7 p.m. Pacific time, or 10 p.m. Eastern time.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2926192/watch-bernie-sanders-seattle-safeco-field-rally-stream-live-54000-seat-ballpark-to-feel-the-bern-friday/
 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
57. Thank you! Good info. Last week I tried to see him at Key Arena but it was full. Hopefully Safeco
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:33 PM
Mar 2016

will not be impossible to enter. This is Seattle so that may be the case but gotta try.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
53. I hope the Bernie Sanders of the younger generation who comes along and takes the reins
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:21 PM
Mar 2016

doesnt have supporters who right out of the gate alienate and attack everyone not on board.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
58. If Bernie gets this number.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

Will this be a Guinness book of World Records attempt for a Political rally?

If it is and he fills it there's no way MSM can call bullshit and try to diminish the number.

SamKnause

(13,126 posts)
95. I am not knocking president Obama's crowd, but I think
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

him being the Democratic nominee makes a difference.

Bernie's crowds will be bigger if he gets the nomination.

This event was only planned 2 days ago.

There was an issue and they stopped letting people in for a time.

Then they started letting more people in.

Something about an unattended backpack or bag.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
131. Very short notice and the event was also on Good Friday.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:30 AM
Mar 2016
That might also be a factor that could have affected the attendance numbers.....no excuses, just simply stating the facts.

Others can spin this however they want......I will say this, if Hillary inspired her supporters with the same deep 'BERNING' passion and commitment that also drives them to wait for long hours in mile long line ups just to hear HER speak,...the 'better-than-thou-posts' on DU would be spinning out every few seconds with headers typed in all CAPS.......'LOOK, HILLARY ATE BREAKFAST TODAY AND 5 THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOWED UP'.......lol!

But the masses are NOT coming out for Hillary as they have for Bernie,......and when they have larger crowds, the Hillary team needs to plan in advance in order to stage such events carefully.......The Clinton Theater rolls in and out of cities and towns, preparing their costume change along the way for every scene,.....err, I meant event that they attend.

.........ready for some...


 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
103. He had 75k in Oregon in May
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

But yes, this was in the general. Also 200k in Berlin that summer. And too many 20k rallies to count during the height of the primary. Obama drew very impressive crowds that year, despite what one of your friends is attempting to imply.

Funny, we've had 8 years of the far right denying this president's legitimacy, now those who once supported him are moving around the goalposts when it comes to his crowds. But I guess I should expect that by now.

On edit: Bernie didn't even come close

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
63. Link to Bernie 2016 tv to watch it live
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016
https://m.
&itct=CBoQpDAYACITCKHQ5Mac3csCFQQkfgodkAQHMjIHcmVsYXRlZEj41pTS6JumyvYB

brooklynite

(95,174 posts)
64. Answer: no
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

Live video shows the second and third tiers and the outfield largely empty.

(nb - I wouldn't have bothered to respond except for the chest-thumping about how big his crowds would be)

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
71. Maybe you should ponder
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

the fact that this event was organized at the last minute and supporters were only given a 48 hour heads up window.


How many supporters would Hillary get to the stadium on a Friday night with 48 hours notice?.....





brooklynite

(95,174 posts)
76. I suppose I could...if you hadn't raise the question of filling the stadium in the OP...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

...but don't you agree that the more important measure is how many supporters gets to the polls? (currently + 2,000,000)

JudyM

(29,313 posts)
99. no idea, i'm not there. i do have another idea though: hillary doesnt come close
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

to inspiring people at the level bernie does. so you can disparage the size of his crowd but it's still magnitudes beyond what she gets. so you might want to tear him down in your usual other ways so as not to make a mockery of her.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
104. How many people can you find that are willing to give up their Friday night evenings..
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:04 AM
Mar 2016

..on a short 48 hour notice and make their way to a stadium just to listen to Hillary bark out poll-tested talking points?





Yaaah......ok.......

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
65. Local news just said people stopped from entering due to unattended bag
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

Apparently one entrance shut down for now.
People still waiting in line.

Update: they started letting them in again. Still many people in line.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
85. Ouch, EPIC FAIL
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

Well, I hope he got his (donors) money worth. Renting out a huge stadium and not filling it. EXPENSIVE. Probably better spent on their own bills instead.

brooklynite

(95,174 posts)
108. I don't doubt that Sanders fans would show up wherever a speech was announced...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

...my question would be: how many new voters were in the crowd?

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
110. I wonder why Portland had nearly double that
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

In a much smaller city and during working hours. I must not see how really liberal my city is. Maybe that is why I am amazed at the anger of the Bernie people. Maybe, just maybe I do not feel as bad as some do.. due to what I am surrounded by

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
117. I live in a redder than red Trump Rulez county in North Carolina and seeing this made me feel
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

absolutely wonderful!!

Lots of other cool stuff to do on a Friday night, Easter on Sunday, bowling, movie, dinner........naw - those folks were at a chilly stadium getting fired up to vote!

Love it!

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
125. I read about that. I don't know how or why
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:49 AM
Mar 2016

people STILL feel that way. I will pray. I'll pray this spectacle of hate makes the progressives rise up and vote in your state. Maybe Apple and paypal should threaten to leave.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
126. They really should threaten and make it believable enough to scare the pants off Gov'nor.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:53 AM
Mar 2016

I really think he screwed the pooch on this and don't think he expected such a huge backlash. They were really sneaky about it too.

He should be sweating bullets as his job is up for grabs in November.

uppityperson

(115,682 posts)
112. He was in Portland at 11, and Safeco field in Sttl wasn't full an hour before that?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

Yup. People were at work or home.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
114. I heard 15000 in Seattle Portland is smaller and had 28000
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

I'm not trying to fight. I'm just curious about the difference in demographics of the two cities

uppityperson

(115,682 posts)
133. Bernie was just in Seattle 5 days ago. This one was set up only 2 days ago after the earlier one
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:32 AM
Mar 2016

was packed with too many outside left outside (30,000). For a second visit within one week and hardly planned or advertised, it was pretty good #.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
118. There was still a very long line outside and around the block with thousands of more people in it at
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016
 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
101. I could've gotten to meet her in LA a few months ago for $500
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

I passed.

They were having troubling filling the space and my friend said they could "squeeze" me in for $250.. I just laughed and explained to them I wouldn't go if she paid me.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
122. You got a steal of a deal basselope LOL. Don't blame you on the pass though, nope.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

Don't blame you at. all.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
127. I think the funnier thing was my friend posted a picture on her FB page from the event.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:55 AM
Mar 2016

And it was Hillary talking to a very small crowd of people.

This wasn't one of the "celebrity house" dinners which are usually 25K per person or something like that.

I've been kinda sad that Bernie hasn't done any of the small gathering fundraisers. I was really hoping to get in a smaller room with him.. but F it.. I maxed my donation a couple of hundred at a time.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
128. Hillary had to have a blue-light special sale on access to her!
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:58 AM
Mar 2016

Oh that just cracks me up.

Bernie has out-raised her two months in a row. He rarely asks for the money. It just flows.

Hillary stages these fundraisers, and is forced to put herself on clearance just to get some money in.

Telling.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
132. TBH, I think my friend was thinking she was doing me a "favor"
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:30 AM
Mar 2016

It wasn't a public special, but they didn't get the response they hoped for so there was "room".

She didn't realize I had no desire to be anywhere NEAR Hillary Clinton.

Response to Segami (Original post)

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
135. Only a measly 15K reported by MSbots....Lies,,
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

probably the best ratings they have had in months.
Best speech so far--well except for the Bernie Golden Finch speech in Portland.


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