Ignore the procedural part of the story

[nadinbrzezinski]

here it is... AZ in all it's glory, with links to local news... (And as usual our procedural was the dull percentages and total of delegates)

There were very serious issues in the state of Arizona with the election. These were issues that should concern every voter, regardless of who they support. There were extremely long lines and when the elections were called a disgrace by Senator Sanders. Now there are calls for Maricopa County Recorder Helen Purcell to resign.

The county reduced polling places from 200 in 2012 to 60. This led to very long lines, upwards of 5 hours. According to US Uncut, some people lost all day in an attempt to vote. There were also problems, reportedly, with people who believed they were registered as Democrats, but the computers said otherwise. Two people who were not able to vote where the local Chapter President of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and a lawyer.

Governor Doug Doucey also called these lines unacceptable, and he wants to have open primaries.

There was also voter suppression in latino neighborhoods. Democrats warned that this was going to happen, and now this was proven correct.

http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/03/23/state-of-the-race-after-western-tuesday-vote/

And I do like partly the governor's solution. Though I am willing to bet neither party will like it. I have plenty of links there.

[giftedgirl77]

1. Are you really using a source that might as well be part of the Sanders campaign?

A simple Google search pulls up their bio. Seems kind of hypocritical of you to always bemoan the MSM for being bias when you just posted this nonsense.

[JaneyVee]

3. UsUncut is not serious, it is propaganda.

It is like RT.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/randomthoughtsbahahaha/has-us-uncut-abandoned-journalistic-integrity-cgw8

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Quick, go correct these folks

Governor's office

http://azgovernor.gov/

Maricopa County NAACP

http://bazaarproductions.wix.com/maricopanaacp#!contact/cj1y

and here is the link to one of the stories from Channel 12 news, the local NBC affiliate.

http://linkis.com/www.12news.com/mb/ne/ROQ7z

Go ahead and tell them they are full of shit.

While at it. please do correct these folks

https://www.propublica.org/

[JaneyVee]

16. Where did I disagree?

And if Section 5 of VRA wasnt gutted Maricopa County would have needed to receive federal approval for reducing the number of polling sites.

[morningfog]

7. Just like blue nation review.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. yes and I suppose the governor

channel 12, and the NAACP are also part of the propaganda. Did you bother reading? Oh and let me add propublica to it

[JaneyVee]

11. BNR is a pro-Hillary website...

That is not propaganda. USUncut is propaganda. They use fake stories and fake photos to drive a narrative.

[morningfog]

13. It is Hillary propaganda. Can't be trusted.

[JaneyVee]

22. Of course it can be trusted.

It only serves as a pro-Hillary outlet. It doesnt use fake stories or fake photos. Just opinions. It is opinion journalism, which is much different than what USUncut portrays it self as. I added a link to their credibility.

[morningfog]

25. I wouldn't trust either of them.

[dchill]

44. "it can be trusted" and "pro-Hillary outlet"

are incompatible. Oil and water. Logical impossibility. The word is "bias."

[libdem4life]

83. Unbelievable group think. Totally agree.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. What was fake about the voter supression in AZ yesterday?

I mean even the governor jumped on it. Or is the governor of the state part of the conspiracy? What about the President of the NAACP that was not allowed to vote? Is she part of the conspiracy too. At this point you are looking doctrinaire or silly. I don't know.

[JaneyVee]

19. WTF are you talking about?

I AGREE ARIZONA PRIMARIES WERE A MESS. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU. AGREEING.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. After you were called on it

and shown why you were wrong.

It is adorable

[JaneyVee]

23. You make no sense.

I agree it was a mess. I agree actual people turned away. I agree it is a result of gutting the VRA. Where exactly do you think I disagreed???

[libdem4life]

81. Shoot the messenger ! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Some of these folks fixate on one thing

not on the rest of it, becuase they do not understand just how sick democracy is in this country.

They remind me of Priistas and Panistas. And trust me, that is not a nice thing to say.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I used the local NBC station

you should watch the video with the local president of the NAACP, and then perhaps call the Governor, and some of the local democratic leaders.

Here to help you

Governor's office

http://azgovernor.gov/

Maricopa County NAACP

http://bazaarproductions.wix.com/maricopanaacp#!contact/cj1y

and here is the link to one of the stories from Channel 12 news, the local NBC affiliate.

http://linkis.com/www.12news.com/mb/ne/ROQ7z

Go ahead and tell them they are full of shit.

While at it. please do correct these folks

https://www.propublica.org/

[giftedgirl77]

18. Once again there were issues in AZ.

It's the hyperbolic bullshit I'm referring to & anyone that uses USuncut as their source is no better than what they claim the MSM does.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. My dear, US UNCUT coverage MATCHES the coveraga of the local channel 12 coverage

Actually Channel 12 is far worst. What they did was a FUCKING SUMMARY of what the local media found out. But if you wish to think it is propaganda, so be it. So did the president of the NAACP lied when she said she was not allowed to vote? What about a lawyer? DID THE FUCKING GOVERNOR LIE? You are looking damn silly at this point. It is adorable actually.

[giftedgirl77]

24. So because the link you provided only linked to a shit source

I'm supposed to go dig around to find out if it fits your narrative? That's just lazy journalism right there, shit might as well use Wikipedia as a reliable source as well. All of the people that are in a position to try & rectify this situation are already aware of it so compounding the situation with CTs & hyperbole doesn't help anything & further damages any credibility.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Did you notice the OTHER FUCKING LINKS? They are in BLUE

at the article... try reading the article and not jumping on just one source you hate.

I give up. I hope the failure of democracy is so wide that you will be able to notice... I really do. On the other hand, as long as your "candidate" wins in a "pretend election" you do not give two shits about it. This is sad, but whatever.

I truly hope you do notice, because it is dying... not that you give two fucks about it

[giftedgirl77]

38. There is one link to a little Podunk paper in San Diego & the

reference posted in the article is of a piece of shit biased source. So once again, it wasn't until you got called on your shitty source did you decide to post additional links & some of those links are just another scavenger hunt.

All I'm saying is you might be more believable if it appeared that you researched stuff to ensure it's legit if you want anyone to take you seriously.

As far as you once again resorting to hyperbolic nonsense, it really minimizes any point you hoped to make.

[demtenjeep]

57. that little blog isn't a paper

as much as some would like it to be




Heck I could listen to scanners and watch TV and post stories and claim to be a reporter -but I have a real job

[giftedgirl77]

58. I was trying to be nice....

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. No you were not

[giftedgirl77]

63. I wasn't replying to you.

It was the person that said it wasn't a paper. I've been corrected, I didn't realize it was a opinion site. In that case you can use whatever garbage sources you want but I don't think you can claim the title independent at that point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Well you wee, it is. It is registered as such in the state

The person you replying to is a cyberstalker

This is not about the paper, or the cyber stalker, it is about voter suppression.

[giftedgirl77]

71. Well I don't know how they credential or label them

but using biased sources typically gets one labeled as whatever bandwagon they have jumped on. It's really no better than using judicalwatch or beitbart, you know their opinions are going to lack focus.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Once again, you think that Channel; 12 in AZ

and the NAACP and the Governor and State Representative Jonathan Larkin, D-Glendale, are biased/ Ok let's go with that.

[giftedgirl77]

76. Lol, you provided those after it was pointed out that your source was shit.

The huge difference is they aren't yelling that it was only BS supporters that were effected. It was everyone attempting to vote in the democratic primary. This was a giant issue that needs to be addressed once and for all but it's most certainly not a Sanders or HRC issue, it's a fuck up at the state & more importantly local level.

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. No, they have been in the article from the word go

so I also added pro publica, is that a shit source too?

You have no interest. This is a smoke screen to avoid talking about voting suppression. It is reprehensible, So do continue with this conversation with yourself.

here is the direct reference to the governor

Governor Doug Doucey also called these lines unacceptable, and he wants to have open primaries.

Here the link to AZ Central.com

There was also voter suppression in latino neighborhoods. Democrats warned that this was going to happen, and now this was proven correct.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2016/03/22/maricopa-county-election-officials-writing-off-voters-you-bet/82145554/

I could go on. What these folks are doing is not just cyberstalking, but attempting to undercut somebody they obviously hate, and avoid the conversation on VOTER SUPPRESSION. They are truly ADORABLE

And this is also bullying, and at this point, they are a riot.

[demtenjeep]

104. I don't see any cybestalking nor hate for actual people

but I do hate bullshit and lying and badly worded articles on a blog passed as credible news


I hate condescending and know it all attitudes-my way or the highway-

when I see that, it is a challenge to point out absurd and outrageous claims.

Sorry, it is my nature

[demtenjeep]

87. I am not a cyber stalker-I am a real person that calls out BS But-I learned something tonight

that one can register a blog and have it called a "credible news site"

heck I think I will try it out. I'm tired of actually working a real job

funny I have been here almost from the start and I never trash DU but its whatever

[demtenjeep]

103. hum

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[demtenjeep]

62. too many are too nice

and then other get a pass to say/do what ever they want

it is tiresome

[giftedgirl77]

64. For me it depends on who you ask.

Just look at my sad transparency page.

[demtenjeep]

67. I'm sorry

just create a blog and pass yourself off as a press person complete with "press pass" and everything

then you can say what you want. Even talk about how horrible DU is and "withhold" "valuable" info

[JaneyVee]

26. Thats how propaganda works...

They mix in actual news stories with fake opinion news stories, like how fox news does. Thats all we are saying. They may be correct here, but USUncut as an entity is not credible. Just something to think about for the future.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. You mean a summary of news stories is propaganda

I have no idea what universe you live in, but I hope you do notice when democracy utterly fails in the United States, in a way EVEN YOU cannot miss it.

I will smile and go TOLD YOU SO

[CorkySt.Clair]

42. The larger question

Why is a blog set up to cover local news in San Diego spending time on inane analysis of national politics?

[demtenjeep]

43. the little hobby blog is just reposting of what is read on the internet or heard on TV or scanners

its rather cute though

[giftedgirl77]

53. Trying to pass it off as actual news is hilarious.

Then she yells the world is going to end as if that helps the credibility.

[JaneyVee]

2. And this is all due to SCOTUS gutting the VRA.

We need to take back the senate and restore the VRA.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Quick, go correct these folks

Governor's office

http://azgovernor.gov/

Maricopa County NAACP

http://bazaarproductions.wix.com/maricopanaacp#!contact/cj1y

and here is the link to one of the stories from Channel 12 news, the local NBC affiliate.

http://linkis.com/www.12news.com/mb/ne/ROQ7z

Go ahead and tell them they are full of shit.

While at it. please do correct these folks

https://www.propublica.org/

[JaneyVee]

9. Where did I disagree? And...

Your last link is about terrorism in Brussels.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. My last link is not about terrrorism, it to the PRO PUBLICA SITE

you understand that, FIND THE FUCKING CONTACT INFO ON THE SITE AND TELL TheM THeY ARE WONG ON THE EFFECTS OF THE VRA... m'kay

[JaneyVee]

12. Um...the propublica link leads me to a terrorism article.

You think im just pulling this out of my arse?

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Happens to be what they have on the front page right now

are you that lazy? Do you even KNOW who propublica is or what they do?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Here, you are lazy, the ABOUT US, link was on the top right side of the page

https://www.propublica.org/about/

[sadoldgirl]

27. Nadin, do you think that the governor is serious,

or is this just a statement due to temporary
embarrassment due to the nasty national
publicity his state got right now?

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Could be embarrasment

or could be serious.

I really have no way to know. If this was San Diego politics, I would be able to answer that question.

[JaneyVee]

28. Why do I care to read about us for propublica?

This is so bizarre. You posted a link to propublica so i can read their about us page?

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. So you can contact them and tell them how non correct they are

on their coverage of the issues brought by the gutting of section V of the VRA

Now if you do not mind I have no need to waste more time with you today. If you do not want to read anything I write, no skin of my nose ok. In fact, I urge you not to. Obviously we do not share the same interests in democracy, with a small d

[Bread and Circus]

29. The problem is our whole electoral apparatus is partially defunct but it tends to serve incumbancy

and monied interests so it tends not to get fixed.

I think no matter who it serves, we should have top to bottom electoral and campaign finance reform.

If only we hand a candidate to champion that.... wouldn't that be amazing!

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. The other problem is that as long as it benefits me

I don't give a shit. I am concerned about the failure of democracy at this point

[fun n serious]

30. I agree it was a mess. As a Hillary supporter

I am deeply concerned about this, I mean this could affect all DEMS in a General... You guys trying to call this Hillary's fault is just not right. Vent your anger where it belongs. Arizona officials!

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. If you bothered to read

you might notice I am not calling it Hillary's fault, And in fact, it affected ALL DEMOCRATIC voters yesterday. But don't bother reading m'kay

I will repeat what I have said in the past. IT IS YOUR FUCKING PARTY... WHO YOU NOMINATE IS YOUR PROBLEM.

[peacebird]

35. I have not read of any Hillary supporters getting provisional ballots, only Bernie supporters.

Twitter is full of reports of Bernie supporters who were disenfranchised. Are there also Hillary voters who were disenfranchised and forced to use provisional ballots?

If so, why am I reading Hillary supporters here calling our complaints just "sour grapes" because Hillary won? Seems .... Questionable.

[fun n serious]

45. There were also Hilary supporters but more Bernie but there is a reason for that...

Hillary supporters demographically are older and made up their mind early. So they voted early and likely not registered independents ever in their life. I am not saying it the fault of indys either I am just saying those are reasons why. I want an investigation though. Most definitely!

[peacebird]

50. Apparently voters in NY are now finding they have been switched to R or I. We need DOJ investigating

And whoever is behind this needs to be sent to JAIL.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Yeah but some folks are not interested in that

[fun n serious]

69. Indeed.

Do you have a link. I want to investigate this further. It is very concerning

[sadoldgirl]

34. So will they reinstall the 200 polling offices

for the GE?
If not, then what good does the outrage do?

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. They are having hearings in the state

[peacebird]

39. The outrage SHOULD force a revote. A complete do over.

[PeaceNikki]

46. Did you confuse Ohio with Idaho in that article?

Sanders did not win Ohio and Ohio's primary was not yesterday.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Could be, I am a tad tired from last night. let me check

thanks... god I am sore

[PeaceNikki]

48. I'm going with definitely. There are a number of grammatical errors as well.

Who's your editor?

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Whatever...

I am not taking the rest of the bait

[PeaceNikki]

51. Well, there are. That's not "bait". Someone should be editing that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Once again, whatever...

If you are going to nitpick, like your friends, at least this is a new angle, instead of talking of the danger to democracy, with a small d, we have nothing else to say to each other.

And before you go there, HRC likely had none to do with this, Where the hell is the DOJ civil rights division though?

[PeaceNikki]

56. You missed an "Ohio".

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. And I thanked you for that

now would you like to REALLY DISCUSS VOTER SUPPRESSION... ? You know why, I know hard to believe, but it is real. It has even happened to me in BLUE CALIFORNIA. M'KAY? And this, as much as many of you are trying hard, has butkis to do with Sanders. He was just one of the voices today. The rest included the governor, a president of the NAACP, a state legislator... nobody important.

Open primaries in AZ... that strikes me as a nice solution to the overt reason for this. I am sure your party and the other one will fight it though.

[demtenjeep]

68. what party are you then?

Maybe this is the wrong forum for you if it is not your party

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Nope, not taking the bait from this personnna

[PeaceNikki]

75. You *missed* one, I said.

And no, you didn't thank me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Been corrected, here the copy

Democratic voters went to the polls in Arizona, Utah and Idaho. Former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton won in Arizona, getting the lion share of delegates, while Senator Bernie Sanders got major victories in Utah and Idaho. At this point Clinton has 1231 of the pledged delegates. This places her at 51.7 percent of those needed to win the nomination. She needs 2383 of the delegates to win the nomination without the help from super delegates.

Sanders stands at 931 delegates earned, which places him at 39.1 percentage of the pledged delegates. While he did close the gap from last week, the math is still very difficult for the Senator to win the nomination.

Damn I corrected it a while ago.

Now can we have a conversation on voter suppression, or are you that fixated on copy editing?

Better yet, let not. I don't think you have an interest at this point.

[Oilwellian]

91. Why am I reminded of the movie Heathers after reading that exchange?

More to put on ignore.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. I just find it adorable

and I avoid putting them on ignore, They get ten times as bad. So from time to time you got to thank them, so they know they are NOT on ignore.

[NastyRiffraff]

112. You love the word "adorable," don't you?

That's adorable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Well bullies are indeed adorable

like five year olds

[NastyRiffraff]

115. You think bullies are adorable?

Interesting. And it figures.

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. Hey well over a decade of dealing with them on this site

what can I do? At RSD I just give them the nice IP Ban, but skinner does not feel like dealing with the very real bully problem he has. So at this point, they make me laugh. They used to irritate me, these days I find them really adorable, like misbehaving and tanter tantrum 5 year olds. They will never go on ignore, that only encourages them.

As I said, when they try this same shit at my paper, the IP BAN hammer falls hard on them. That frustrates them, A few have tried dynamic IPs... it is just makes it a tad more challenging to kick them to the spam file.

[NastyRiffraff]

117. *snicker*

[giftedgirl77]

55. I don't think editing or fact checking are priorities.

[demtenjeep]

61. I have offered to proof

but no reply

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. So the governor did not say what he did

and the president of the Maricopa COUNTY NAACP did not say what she did. Nor did State Rep Jonathan Larkin, D-Glendale, ask for Maricopa County Recorder to resign.

Those are not facts.

You really are going to go with that.

[dchill]

52. K&R

[Uncle Joe]

69. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, nadinbrzezinski.

[haikugal]

79. K&R!! Thanks Nadin...

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. You welcome, read upthread for some hysterical bullying

it would work if I would even half way pissed. These days it is a joke

[haikugal]

84. Yeah I saw that...amateurs.

Hope you're getting some well earned R&R...

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. I still have to go though a first draft on trumpism

a real philosophy. Can't place it yet... it is both inside the US political stream and outside. It is weird.

[haikugal]

94. I look forward to it.

[demtenjeep]

89. oh and the proper phrase is "You're Welcome"

You're welcome

[George II]

85. The primary (as in most prevalent) cause of the delays were uninformed voters...

....who went to vote, not realizing that they weren't qualified to vote because they were independents.

As for the "open primary", why should non-Democrats (i.e, republicans and independents) participate in choosing the DEMOCRATIC candidate? Ludicrous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. No George, not according to extensive coverage from local media

or are you calling the President of the Maricopa County NAACP, has voted Dem for decades, a liar? Her experience is far from unique. And you should be concerned. regardless of who "won." As I told you earlier today, I consider US elections dirtier than Mexican Elections when I was young, at this point.

This is not a partisan issue. And the DOJ should be (I am told there will be snow in hell before that happens), involved. It is a civil rights issue. (And a dress rehearsal)

In the recent past they have had their moments as well, (2006 comes to mind)

[George II]

93. There you go, taking my words and "defining" them to suit your needs. I didn't call ANYONE...

...a liar. Where did you get that from?

The fact is that yesterday had the second highest primary turnout in Arizona history! There were issues, as there are issues in just about every election in every state and locality.

Funny how when Clinton wins a primary there is voter fraud and suppression, when Sanders wins one nary a complaint.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. For all I care, as far as I am concerned, and I know this does not fit *your ideology*

this could have been a contest between the man on the moon, and Santa Clauss. I give two rips who "won" or who "lost." Why? I consider this a compromised election. There were serious issues, in particular in minority areas.

This has nothing to do as far as I am concerned as to who is running. The fact that the REPUBLICAN governor has suggested OPEN PRIMARIES for BOTH PARTIEs in the state, tells the story of how serious this is. Or perhaps the governor is part of the conspiracy too. No, it is no longer Jan Brewer, she would have shocked me.

State level Ds are asking for the resignation of the Maricopa County Registrar by the way, she was responsible for cutting from 200 to 60 polling places. Did I mention Maricopa is heavily latino and Native American? Go ahead, hide your head in the sand. I could care less.

Some of us are concerned about the country, not fucking partisan games.

[George II]

99. So, just when did I call anyone a liar? You seemed to have ducked that one.

The rest is just......the rest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

100. whatever, serious

you were blaming the voter. I pointed to you that this happened to long registered MINORITY voters. They were suddenly, INDEPENDENT and could not vote. Over there is a pre dug hole in the sand. You can go hide your head in there.

[George II]

101. You still haven't shown me where I called anyone a liar. Have you retracted that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. When you imply them, I ain't gonna retract them

you are the one blaming the voter.

George II (14,098 posts)
85. The primary (as in most prevalent) cause of the delays were uninformed voters...

....who went to vote, not realizing that they weren't qualified to vote because they were independents.

As for the "open primary", why should non-Democrats (i.e, republicans and independents) participate in choosing the DEMOCRATIC candidate? Ludicrous.

You called the head of the NAACP a liar. She has been registered DEMOCRATIC MEMBER FOR DECADES. She did not change her registration and was far from alone.

Have a good day... I do hope when democracy finally takes its final breath in this country, you will realize it. Because it is dying. and you are enabling it by hiding your head in the sand.

As to open primaries, you know you agrees with you? The California Republican party. Dems are big boys and girls and opened their primary (which increases participation and voting in June Ballot Initiatives incidentally) I applaud you for agreeing with the California Republican Party.

[George II]

105. I called no one a liar. That you wish I did is probably why you still say it. Goodnight.

[Major Nikon]

106. Results...

On Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:26 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

When you imply them, I ain't gonna retract them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1564385

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling out a DU er promoting death of a democracy on a DEMOCRATIC forum. Really how much trolling is too much?


You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:29 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Something stinks in Phoenix
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Discuss, don't alert on stuff like this.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is trying way too hard to be offended.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Snarkoleptic]

107. Alerting is out of hand, it's much like 3rd graders constantly running to the teacher during recess.

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:59 AM - Edit history (1)

Note- Alert is not a substitute for debate.

[Major Nikon]

109. It's a game to many

Some even discuss alert strategies in a childish effort to suppress whatever opinions they don't agree with. After you serve on a few juries you can definitely spot trends where it's obvious people are just alerting on everything from certain posters with the knowledge that one out of ten or twenty alerts, however ridiculous, will eventually succeed if the alert text is duplicitous enough. Some of those who have elevated that craft to an art form inevitably have it backfire on them, and then are inevitably the biggest whiners about being victims of alert stalking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. 7-0 that is impressive

thanks...

[Oilwellian]

95. Tell us George, what are we in Virginia to do then?

We're all registered as independents yet I've voted Democratic my entire life. Using your consistently limited logic, no one in Virginia would be able to vote in the primaries. Using your myopic way of seeing things, you're perfectly fine with disenfranchising entire states in the primary process. Brilliant, George. Fucking brilliant.

[Land of Enchantment]

96. Thanks for the OP, found something of interest

and have not been able to verify.
Apparently there is a class action lawsuit filed against the state of Arizona for election fraud.

http://www.carbonated.tv/news/there-was-massive-election-fraud-in-arizona-last-night
The amount of voter suppression Arizona voters experienced on Tuesday night may be unparalleled—the entire day of voting was a complete disaster, so much so that a class action election fraud lawsuit has been filed.
Arizona’s Secretary of State has said that they will count provisional ballots by April 4. However, the likelihood of this actually occurring is minimal, considering Illinois claimed it would extend voting after experiencing election fraud but announced yesterday that it would not.

An election fraud lawsuit has been filed against Arizona, and a White House petition to investigate the voter suppression has about 55,000 signatures currently.

What has been bothering me is the switching of voter's affiliations. That aspect has smelled since the 'data breach' back in December. I wonder if there is some connection as the Sanders campaign has stated their data was hacked a week ago. If we can trust computers with our most private information (tax filing, banking, investments) then why can't we vote online?
Anyway, maybe some energized and more skilled DUers can find the alleged lawsuit and the computer experts here can figure out the switching of voters' affiliations. Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. Personally I doubt either campaign had butkis to do with this

how do you tell a Sanders supporter named Smith, from a HRC supporter named Smith? IMO this was a dress rehearsal for November, and it was so damn glaring they will have to put that back in the bottle.

That said, BOTH campaigns should demand a DOJ civil rights division investigation. And the DNC should join them.

[Downwinder]

118. It is pretty indicative of the candidates.

1) The attorney finds a problem, profits by it and presses on.

2) The other creates a crush at the polls, publicizes the problem and gets something done to correct it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. Well campaigns usually move to the next state

It is normal practice. The optics are bad though

[Downwinder]

120. I have always tried to patch the cracks

for those following me. I like 2) best, correct the problem. Much better display of leadership.

[zappaman]

110. I'm sorry your candidate lost Arizona, but his campaign

Should have made sure his supporters knew the rules.
And yeah, it sucks that people had to wait so long to vote.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Not that you seem to care or understand this

but I am sorry DEMOCRACY lost in Arizona due to massive voter disenfranchisement. I am sure you approve though.

[GusBob]

111. What does this line mean?

"and when the elections were called a disgrace by...."

Did you mean to say "and THEN the elections were called" or is there another phrase missing later in the sentence?

You should take up the offer of the poster unthread to proof your writing.

[LWolf]

121. I'm fine with

open primaries, but how does that solve the reduction in polling places and long lines?

[nadinbrzezinski]

122. One does not. This was on purpose

Of course 100 percent mail in ballots, like Oregon, could be one solution in the long run. But then, call me cynical, the mail would "lose" a lot of mail. I use quotation marks since it would be the state.

[LWolf]

123. I love voting in Oregon.

No lines, I vote on my own schedule.

Usually in my pajamas, with my voting pamphlet, ballot, computer, and a cup of coffee. Then I put a stamp on it and mail it, or I drop it off in a drop box when I go to town.

Of course, if there were any suggestion of mail fraud, I'd be up in arms...as would the rest of the state. Me? Up in arms metaphorically speaking. Some of eastern Oregon? Maybe not so metaphorically.

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. I know.