2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan't stand Chuck Todd
He implied that Romney could very well win...lining up three states that he could get and he said something to the effect that it's like previous elections. I hope he is wrong. Can't stand him though something about his persona that creeps me out.
huckleberry
(734 posts)I hate his facial hair. He just looks dirty.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)LOL...
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)Some people can pull off goatees (Bryan Cranston as Walter White in Breaking Bad for example).
Others look like hipster wanna-be douches.
Guess which catagory Chuck Todd falls into.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)If we saw Obama in VA, FL and NC these last two weeks, it would be a very positive sign and would indicate a possible landslide.
By seeing Obama in the midwest, it indicates they know those other states may be reaches at this point and it's better to just to get to 270 by ensuring we hold those. No landslide though. I'll take the win under this scenario but I wanted a landslide.
Where the candidates are stumping is all you need to know about what states they think are in play. This is why WI aint seeing Romney(or Ryan, he'd be living there if they thought they had a shot), nor is PA, nor is AZ seeing Obama. You won't see Obama in NC either.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)SingleSeatBiggerMeat
(220 posts)And, while this election is very close, Chuck is far more interested in the ratings associated with the "Horse Race" than he is in providing some analysis of what is going on. He gets paid more that way.
Tim Russert is rolling in his grave.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)and he absolutely is guilty of the bad news for Ds/good news for Rs framing from the mainstream media, which made it hard to hear what he had to say.
BUT, I thought this was an honest analysis.
He DID say a couple of months ago, that if the final days of the race saw them battling in VA/CO/NH type states, it would be a pretty clear indicator that the president was in really good shape, while if they were battling in the midwest, OH/Iowa, it would mean that Romney had a shot.
I think that is a fair analysis, and that is where it sits now, and he referenced that.
I think he did too strongly defend the "romney has a viable path" question, that was a horse race thing.
Romney clearly CAN win, but the path is pretty short.
Again, I don't like it, but that first debate impacted the race A LOT. BO had OH/Iowa/Wisky states locked and was in good shape to pickup Va, Co, Fla, and NC looked possible.
The debate changed the battle a good bit. Florida can only be considered a toss up, VA is questionable, they are battling a lot more for CO than they might have.
BO lost some ground and the pressure on Romney to hold his southern states is not as great and he can indeed focus more to Iowa and Wisky. Ohio was always going to be the final stand. But, Romney just has been able to push past the third tier of states, for now at least.
I posted early in September, that I had wished the election was then. BO would have won going away. It seems pretty sure he won't get back to that point.
He still is very likely to win, and that is obviously the most important thing, but it would be better for him to mute the republican/media BS about a 280ish to 260ish win vs a 300ish to 240ish win.
John2
(2,730 posts)There is no way the Romney people can say on the first day of early voting in North Carolina, it is a done deal for Romney. The registration numbers don't indicate North Carolina is easy for Republicans. Especially when Democrats have over a 800,000 registration advantage over Republicans. Romney's campaign needs to look at the math. Or are they delusional like on their taxes. North Carolina has a huge African American vote. So it is stupid for anyone to claim North Carolina is in the bag.
Here is another scenario, North Carolina is closer than Ohio and Romney is in deep trouble in Ohio. That is more likely. He might be in deep trouble in Iowa as well as Wisconsin. Rumor is, he has already lost Nevada. If, that is the case, it is over. North Carolina is just icing on the cake. Could this be the case?
I think they (Romney) genuinely think they are in good shape in NC.
I think BO, as long as he knows he has his 270+ states in good shape, should still try to chip there to maybe force Romney back to it, or maybe pick it up. But, if I had to make a call there, I would say Romney gets it.
I do think it is clear that Romney is fighting an uphill battle in Oh, Iowa, Wisky, and Nevada is the one state the pundits don't want to talk about.
It is going to take another big shakeup for Romney to break through in BO's over the top midwest states. The numbers there have been too steady in +5 give or take for BO range for almost the entire year.
I think that Romney would have had to pull back to those states regardless.
But, post first debate, it leveled things out in the runout states like Va, Co and Fl.
I am sure they (romney) see numbers there that they think they can win, while it is pretty hard to get the midwest states.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)What does that tell us?
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)But, the primary battles are being waged right now in the midwest states.
It could tick back a little more in BOs direction to where he ends up winning these states, not saying that can't or won't happen.
Just that as of now, the numbers, with the significant impact of the first debate, has shifted the primary battle lines.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)in the "battleground" states.
All of the voter repressions laws, remember the legislator in PA that said "voter ID laws that will allow Romney to win the state, done" and all of the voting machines that Romney's sons company owns, along with all of the Dark MONEY (The Koch brothers and Karl Rove) is what will allow Romney to win......if he does.
If he does win, the country will finally be under the Oligarch's total control.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)have fought this battle in every possible way.
handsofthedevil
(15 posts)He has been absolutely terrible this entire cycle. He also keeps bringing up the 269 tie. It's almost like that's what he wants to happen so we have to look at his damn face more in the aftermath. I can't even watch his show anymore.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)Because that is exactly what's going to happen if this election is decided by the courts or by Congress this year.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....although I think Nevada is in the bag for O which negates it.
NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)He sounded like he was salivating at the possibility.
While he sometimes makes the disclaimer that "this would not be good for the country", he says this with a barely suppressed gleeful expression on his face. He is obviously getting an adrenalin high at the prospect.
Bad for the country, but GOOD for the ratings. Right, Chuckie?!!!