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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:28 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

 

What the 2016 Presidential election is about

Privatizing Social Security.

The banking industry has made the Clinton's billionaires in the last decade and now they want their return on that investment.

They have already taken your wealth from your home, you now pay 40-50% of disposable income over the 25% from a generation ago. They have already taken your wages, through offshorring to slave wage countries and union busting. They have already taken your education fund, through hyper-inflated tuition costs.

They are coming for your social security.

The Trump card is even in play to ensure they get their desired candidate who will sign the privatization bill that the Republican congress and senate delivers to her desk.



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Reply What the 2016 Presidential election is about (Original post)
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 OP
LineReply The facts don't line up with this theory...
 Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #1
LineLineReply explain
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #2
LineLineLineReply Post removed
 Post removed Mar 2016 #3
LineLineLineLineReply everything I read
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #6
LineLineLineLineLineReply Try reading more?
 Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #7
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply We will see
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #8
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply I know, facts are hard to accept
 Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #11
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply The answers are too cute and obscure the fact there is no need to go this direction. Or this...
 highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #9
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply That's not Hillary Clinton.
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #10
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply You folks are hopelessly enraptured with a corrupt candidate. All we may have in response is ...
 highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #12
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply It is fairly clear how she stands from what you posted. Well not that clear.
 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #17
LineLineLineReply Nobody has suggested Clinton would privatize Social Security
 brooklynite Mar 2016 #4
LineLineLineLineReply ...
 questionseverything Mar 2016 #15
LineLineLineLineLineReply I wasn't aware that Bill Clinton was running for President
 brooklynite Mar 2016 #20
LineLineLineLineReply Do you support the privatization of SS? nm
 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #18
LineLineLineLineLineReply No...neither does Hillary Clinton
 brooklynite Mar 2016 #22
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I trust you but I don't trust her. nm
 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #24
LineReply Social Security has been reviled as "socialism" from day one. Righties & 3rd Wayers target it.
 senz Mar 2016 #5
LineReply DLC/ Third Way candidates are not to be trusted on Social Security.
 senz Mar 2016 #13
LineReply AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
 Capt. Obvious Mar 2016 #14
LineLineNew Reply What's the significance of posting those results? nm
 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #25
LineLineLineNew Reply Calling out rudeness? n/t
 Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #27
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Oh I get it. Not pertaining to the OP but another post. Duh! I get it. nm
 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #29
LineReply I really think you're onto something
 farleftlib Mar 2016 #16
LineLineReply Imo this is why they stay locked away.
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #19
LineReply Seriously???
 Beacool Mar 2016 #21
LineLineNew Reply I am serious.
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #23
LineLineLineNew Reply The Republicons will do the dirty work and she will have to sign the bill
 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #26
LineLineLineLineNew Reply This is almost exactly the scenario I envision.
 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #31
LineLineNew Reply It is logically impossible to lie about hypothetical questions.
 Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #30
LineNew Reply Just like Obama slashed Social Security benefits!
 geek tragedy Mar 2016 #28
LineLineNew Reply Tried to, through C.P.I.
 highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #32

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:29 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

1. The facts don't line up with this theory...

 

Not without some INSANE pretzel logic.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:29 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

2. explain

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:33 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

6. everything I read

 

is just silence from her on the SS issues.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:35 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

7. Try reading more?

 

Privatization off the table; but maybe payroll cap increase
During her 2008 presidential bid, Clinton was relatively non-committal about reforms to the Social Security program. She said in 2007 that certain reforms such as cutting benefits, privatizing the program or raising the retirement age were "off the table." There were some articles at the time that gave mixed signals on whether she would be willing to increase payroll taxes.

One account from the Associated Press featured a conversation between a campaigning Clinton and an Iowa voter in which the candidate said she might consider committing more of workers' income to Social Security. "She told him she didn't want to put an additional tax burden on the middle class but would consider a 'gap,' with no Social Security taxes on income from $97,500 to around $200,000. Anything above that could be taxed," according to the article.

Ultimately, Clinton officially shied away from the increase in taxes, and stuck with official comments that revolved around improving the economy overall.
Source: Megan R. Wilson in TheHill.com weblog, "Clinton vs. Warren" , Aug 24, 2014

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:39 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

8. We will see

 

I stand by my OP.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:42 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

11. I know, facts are hard to accept

 

When you refuse to accept them.

Classy avatar.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:40 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

9. The answers are too cute and obscure the fact there is no need to go this direction. Or this...

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:41 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

10. That's not Hillary Clinton.

 

As to the rest of what you said... Are those just random words strung together?

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:43 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

12. You folks are hopelessly enraptured with a corrupt candidate. All we may have in response is ...

 

a whopping huge ability to say "I told you so". That is, if you truly do care about things like social services being privatized or diminished in some other way.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:48 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

17. It is fairly clear how she stands from what you posted. Well not that clear.

 

"She said she didn't want to" That rhetoric and no commitment at all. How many times have we heard "I didn't want to but had to."

"she might consider committing more of workers' income to Social Security." She might do this and she might do that and she might do nothing. This is rhetoric.

"would consider a 'gap,' with no Social Security taxes on income from $97,500 to around $200,000. Anything above that could be taxed," "Would consider" means nothing, "could be taxed" means nothing.

"Ultimately, Clinton officially shied away from the increase in taxes, and stuck with official comments that revolved around improving the economy overall. " So ultimately she didn't commit to anything. What makes you think she will save SS?

And improving the economy is bullshit. We've had a great economy for a long time, but the wealthy take all of the profits. "A rising tide for her only lifts yachts.

Even if raising the economy for all wouldn't be enough. We must reverse the trend of an every widening wealth gap. Make the Aristocracy pay their share. She sure as hell ain't for that. And I am guessing you aren't either. Some worship the golden calf.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:31 PM

Star Member brooklynite (81,493 posts)

4. Nobody has suggested Clinton would privatize Social Security

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:45 PM

Star Member brooklynite (81,493 posts)

20. I wasn't aware that Bill Clinton was running for President

I also wasn't aware that policy positions were locked in stone after 20 years.

But if it gives you something new to get angry about...

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:51 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

18. Do you support the privatization of SS? nm

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:49 PM

Star Member brooklynite (81,493 posts)

22. No...neither does Hillary Clinton

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:08 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

24. I trust you but I don't trust her. nm

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:31 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

5. Social Security has been reviled as "socialism" from day one. Righties & 3rd Wayers target it.

 

It's a Big Deal to the Big Money crowd.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:45 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

13. DLC/ Third Way candidates are not to be trusted on Social Security.

 

Elizabeth Warren Fires Back at Centrist Dems on Social Security

December, 2013

Last week, the president and vice-president of the centrist think-tank Third Way accused Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) of ignoring what they call Social Security's "undebatable solvency crisis." In an interview with Mother Jones, Warren fired back, countering the charge, and elaborating on how Social Security could be expanded.


From Wikipedia:

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was a non-profit 501(c)(4) corporation[1] founded in 1985 that, upon its formation, argued the United States Democratic Party should shift away from the leftward turn it took in the late 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. The DLC hailed President Bill Clinton as proof of the viability of Third Way politicians and as a DLC success story.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:46 PM

Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:11 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

25. What's the significance of posting those results? nm

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:19 PM

Ghost Dog (16,881 posts)

27. Calling out rudeness? n/t

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:22 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

29. Oh I get it. Not pertaining to the OP but another post. Duh! I get it. nm

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:48 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

16. I really think you're onto something

 

SS has been the big prize for a long time now. Bill was on board but the Lewinsky scandal kept him from implementing his plan. I think she'd do it in a heartbeat.

Release the transcripts. I'd bet there are clues if not outright promises in them.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:08 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

19. Imo this is why they stay locked away.

 

eom

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:49 PM

Star Member Beacool (30,123 posts)

21. Seriously???

A post devoid of facts. Let's start with the premise that the Clintons are not billionaires, that would be Trump. Let's continue with the lie that Hillary would privatize SS.

Keep crying wolf, you know what happened to Peter.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:02 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

23. I am serious.

 

Bill signed nafta, "reformed" welfare, and deregulated banking. All while being a Democrat.

Third way is big on privatizing SS.

It will likely start small, optional private accounts. But it will happen under HRC with cheering from corporate Dems.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:13 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

26. The Republicons will do the dirty work and she will have to sign the bill

 

because it will be attached to the budget or something like that. And Goldman-Sachs will give her another check.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:24 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

31. This is almost exactly the scenario I envision.

 

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:24 PM

Ghost Dog (16,881 posts)

30. It is logically impossible to lie about hypothetical questions.

 

(Will Hillary privatize SS).

It is only possible to make accurate or inaccurate predictions about outcomes.

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:22 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

28. Just like Obama slashed Social Security benefits!

 

Oh, wait ....

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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:44 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

32. Tried to, through C.P.I.

 

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