2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie supporters, they want our guy to quit because he calls out the flaws....
In hillary! If hill is such a great candidate then they should not be worried about complaints about her!
They say bernie has lost and has no chance and the voters have rejected him but still fucking think he has too much influence on voters and needs to stop attacking hill? You can't have it both ways!!
Just ignore them, they like to whine. Bernie needs to stay until the convention!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)With Trump on track to securing the nomination and no other Republican being mathematically capable of it, this campaign desperately needs the comedy relief of a delusional exercise in futility on the Democratic side by a candidate with no mathematical capability of securing the nomination.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)is watching your candidate being pulled left and adopting the so called 'mathematically' eliminated candidate's policies so there is that going for ya.
So tell me, who's in control of this primary process again and why should Bernie stay or go? What motive would your candidate EVER have to push the other candidate out?
Your correct, this is GREAT comedy! So enjoy the show, the 'math' will sort itself out as this process plays out until this primary process ends with all states given a chance to vote
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)ALL Democratic nominees pivot to the center after securing the nomination.
Even your exalted Saint Bernard would have to do so had he ever had a chance of winning.
Hillary is Hillary and a silly challenge from a bloviating extreme leftist egomaniacal socialist con man won't alter that one whit.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)not 'all' Democratic nominees 'pivot', peruse historical records will detail this out BEYOND the recent election cycles you allude to...
the pivot your reply points to is more of a recent phenomenon, and this 'center' you speak of isn't a 'liberal' nor 'progressive' foundation we as a Democratic base should allow ourselves to be played or pulled away from
'Hillary is Hillary' on this we do agree... what you reply as 'silly' or 'bloviating extreme' just perfectly frames the EXACT reasons why I DO understand presidential politics from a Democratic foundational perspective, liberal / progressive policies are worth fighting for as well as maintaining those same policies as the foundational elements within the party
So maybe the 'con' is being played on you, so any 'silly challenge' to that perception won't alter that one whit...
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Because unlike his opponent, he is a man of his word.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and his name should go into nomination at the convention.
but the campaign ends on June 7.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Because in modern politics, campaigns generally focus on attacking an opposing candidate's strengths over their weaknesses. The fact that so much noise is being made over Clinton's numerical inevitability over Sanders' actual policies indicates that they are worried about Sanders' strength in the upcoming states.
Just my two cents.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)The truth about Wall Street, the rigged system, her donations and linkage to policies will compromise her..so they need to try to shut us up as quickly as possible.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)That is why they have pushed the mathematical inevitability argument over she has the better policies arguments. They don't really want there to be an actual discourse about their individual policies, because he wins most of them and is in line with how most Americans feel. This became obvious to me when they started this talking point well before Super Tuesday part 1.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And they do like to whine a lot. They think us truth telling rabble should just shut up and heel.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Sander's is the only candidate I can back in good conscious.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)is meant to distract from the issues, and break up the momentum by engaging us in divisiveness. Insulting the left by baffling us with conflicting messages? Where have we seen this before?
How else can one run as a Democrat, while supporting fracking, TTIP, being well paid by Goldman Sachs and hiring David Brock? Distract, insult, claim victimhood..where have we all seen this before...from republicans. They want us to engage in a puzzle that doesn't fit together, cannot be solved. It is the method of the madness, to give us, the left, the illusion that we can use reason to change these minds, so we USE UP MOMENTUM spinning our wheels. Not only unnecessary, but it is useless.
Bernie Sanders is running against the biggest consolidation of power in history, surrounded on all sides including within the Democratic party, by corporatist neo liberals and outside by neo cons. It is a testament to everyone involved that we have made it this far, it has taken many years for this country to get to this point, and will take an opposite but equal force to guide the country in another direction. I believe the angst in this country needs to be channeled in positive directions, or it will erupt in other ways, and I believe Bernie Sanders is adept at this.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Sanders still gets my vote.
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)the conservative South will be voting over the next few weeks and they would rather the primaries end with only half the nation having voted.
Thanks for the thread, Logical.