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Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:28 PM

It's not just about putting Bernie in the White House. It's about much more!

We’re fighting to put Bernie in the White House. But that’s not all we are fighting for.

Challenging Beltway Group Think

Whatever the outcome, every person inspired to play an active part in the campaign, every dollar raised, every delegate won, helps disprove the notion that universal health care, billionaire’s tax, and so on, are "toxic" topics that Democrats must avoid at all costs.

Inside the beltway, the "conventional wisdom" is that raising "socialist" ideas will bring the wrath of... well someone.. down on them. Bernie's campaign is showing them that what "comes down" is masses of money and a well-spring of energetic support. Seeing the real consequences of raising "socialist" ideas can help put some spine back into them... Well, perhaps not actual spine, perhaps just enlightened self-interest (Maybe I could rally some support and raise more money for reelection if I were bolder? Hmmm.)

Inspiring People Across America to Fight for What Bernie Stands For

One of my fondest wishes is that, whether or not Bernie wins the nomination, people who have been inspired to take action by Bernie's campaign, will be inspired to continue the fight for what he stands for after the campaign is over.

Even if he's elected, he can't get the things we want done, done, without a lot of help from "out here."

Change doesn't get done without people “on the ground.” His campaign is bringing in the "troops" needed for the fights ahead: winning back Congress in 2018 (if we don’t manage it this cycle); lobbying to get more sponsors for bills that implement his proposals, lobbying to push those bills through. Big change rarely happens overnight. But if enough people are inspired to stand up, we will ultimately win.

To those who argue that Bernie should drop out, I say this: it would be a terrible mistake. Bernie needs to stay in though the convention, regardless of the cumulative numbers. If he drops out, any state that hasn't voted yet will lose out because the people on the ground will have the wind knocked out of their sails. We would lose people who may otherwise have become agents of change.

Imagine This

Imagine if we had just 250 citizen lobbyists in each congressional district pestering members of Congress (or staffers) face-to-face, gathering names on petitions, raising money, working on Congressional elections, and so on. That's a mere 0.15% of people who turnout to vote for candidates in the middle or left side of the spectrum. (That's assuming an average district size of 700,000; 75% over 18; 60% voter turnout, and about 50% of those in the middle or left side of the spectrum).

With the support of small contributions, these folks could be paid to work full time on our behalf. We could create a formidable "K street" operation of our own.

Corporate America may have the money, but people on the ground translate to money and power too. I think too many don't believe this right now. It’s time for that to change. Bernie’s campaign has already accomplished amazing things. Embrace those accomplishments. Use those victories to feed confidence in our own power to effect change.

Ultimately, that’s what it’s all about.

As a wise friend used to say, we don't need a movement. More of us just need to move.

Turning Hopelessness and Immobility into Confidence and Action

Can it be discouraging? You betcha. Except for voting, I've felt hopeless and immobilized for some time. But, some of the “old-timers” here may remember me. I was in the fight for the integrity of our elections. We lobbied members of Congress, face-to-face, to get a Senator to stand with Stephanie Tubbs-Jones and object to the Ohio electors on Jan 6, 2005 (something that even John Conyers told us was impossible). So many joined that battle. And we did it. We “got” Barbara Boxer. The full extent of the fraud in Ohio is a permanent part of the Congressional record. The tragedy of the stolen election is memorialized. It was proud moment for all. Throughout the Bush presidency, we lobbied for his impeachment, won sponsors, and in the process, put a indelible stain on the Bush presidency.

What I learned, and what I have lost touch with, is that when I get out there and work with others, my hope is naturally renewed. In the process, I encounter other people and groups who are out there tackling problems that seem overwhelming... and winning. It's almost impossible to feel hopeless when you witness people in action first hand.

Bernie’s campaign has inspired me to get back into the fray. I’m committed to staying in for the long haul. I hope many of you feel the same.

Have confidence in yourself. That’s where it all begins.

It always seems impossible until it's done.
― Nelson Mandela

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Reply It's not just about putting Bernie in the White House. It's about much more! (Original post)
pat_k Mar 2016 OP
liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #1
msanthrope Mar 2016 #2
Human101948 Apr 2016 #28
msanthrope Apr 2016 #29
Human101948 Apr 2016 #30
msanthrope Apr 2016 #31
Human101948 Apr 2016 #32
msanthrope Apr 2016 #33
One_Life_To_Give Mar 2016 #3
HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #4
pat_k Mar 2016 #6
HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #7
pat_k Mar 2016 #8
artislife Mar 2016 #11
angstlessk Mar 2016 #24
dubyadiprecession Mar 2016 #5
lunatica Mar 2016 #9
Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #16
hack89 Mar 2016 #10
pat_k Mar 2016 #12
hack89 Mar 2016 #14
pat_k Mar 2016 #15
hack89 Mar 2016 #18
slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #22
hack89 Mar 2016 #23
FreedomRain Mar 2016 #13
pat_k Mar 2016 #17
MisterP Mar 2016 #20
slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #19
beltanefauve Mar 2016 #21
pat_k Apr 2016 #25
jillan Apr 2016 #26
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #27

Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:37 PM

1. Thanks for the Nelson Mandela quote. I love to look to past leaders and past

movements to inspire me. So many people say these things Bernie speaks of is impossible. Nothing could be further from the truth. When you look at all the impossible things we have done, there is no logical explanation for why what Bernie says is impossible. I also like to look to future leaders and future movements to inspire me as well. The Millennials give me great hope. They don't take shit from anybody. They are not afraid to stand up and fight when there is an injustice being done. We will rise up and take this country back from the oligarchs. It won't be quick. It won't be easy, but we will do it.

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:40 PM

2. Bernie should donate downballot. It would help. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:51 AM

28. Like Hillary? Running a political Ponzi scheme to circumvent campaign contribution laws?

 

...A joint fundraising committee between the Clinton campaign and the DNC—called the Hillary Victory Fund—raised $26.9 million as of December 31, 2015, much of which has gone directly to the DNC and other Democratic candidates across the country. Thirty-three state Democratic parties signed pacts with Ms. Clinton’s campaign, meaning she is essentially buying support from Democratic leaders around the country. In short, the Clinton campaign controls the money and decides which states receive it after the campaign and the DNC get their cut. According to Bloomberg, New Hampshire received $124,000, where six out of six superdelegates supported Ms. Clinton while over 60 percent of the primary vote favored Mr. Sanders. Nevada and South Carolina also have pacts with the Hillary Victory Fund, where Ms. Clinton has already won support from three of Nevada’s eight superdelegates and three out of South Carolina’s six superdelegates.

The superdelegate system was enacted in the 1980s to give the Democratic Establishment more influence in determining the party’s presidential nominee, and as the DNC opens the floodgates to donations from special interests, the future of the party is auctioned off to the highest bidder. Unless Mr. Sanders can overcome the financial obstacles set by the Democratic National Committee to win the nomination, campaign finance reform and removing big money from politics will be a fantasy kept alive only on the party’s fringes.

http://observer.com/2016/02/how-the-dnc-helps-clinton-buy-off-superdelegates/

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:54 AM

29. Yes.....and it's completely hypocritical of the BS campaign to complain

 

about superdelagates.....given that Tad devine started them. Yes Bernie should absolutely start filtering money down ballot.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:57 AM

30. By getting in bed with lobbyists?

 

The DNC Just Declared War on Bernie Sanders’ Political Revolution

Jacqueline Pine | February 12, 2016

The Democratic National Committee, headed by the massively unpopular Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has just lifted the last restrictions preventing the DNC from receiving direct contributions from Wall Street and special interest lobbyists.

Under the new rules, political action committees (PACs) and other corporate lobbyists and special interests are now free to donate unlimited sums to the DNC itself. The previous restrictions were put in place by President Barack Obama after his own election, which he marked by saying, “We are going to change how Washington works.”

http://usuncut.com/news/the-dnc-opens-the-gates-to-unlimited-wall-street-funding/

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:58 AM

31. Monsanto paid Mr. Devine lots of cash....you don't seem to have a problem

 

with that.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:02 AM

32. Tad Devine is not my candidate...

 

Sometimes our candidates associate with folks we don't admire--



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Response to Human101948 (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:04 AM

33. No...Tad just manages your candiate. nt

 

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:40 PM

3. Would settle for a new Sherriff in town

at the NewYork AG's office and SEC. So I don't have to admit it was Reagan/Bush's AG's who last put hundreds of Criminal Bankers behind bars.

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:44 PM

4. That's the challenge. Can 'the movement' outlast "the Bernie Sanders' campaign"?

It must, even if he's elected, because Sanders can't do it all from the executive office.

And certainly the ideas his supporters are attracted to must filter into town councils and legislatures across the country in addition to Congress if change is to happen across this great nation.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:05 PM

6. Action often begets action.

Not always, but "doing something" can be incredibly rewarding. And hope tends to be contagious.

I am sure some who have been inspired to take action by the Sanders campaign have been "infected" by the activist bug. Only time will tell how big the ripple effects will be. The best way to build hope in the American people is to see those who are out there fighting the good fight first hand.

I do find it discouraging to see the number of "I'm through with politics" posts. Just as activism and hope can be contagious, so can pessimism.

May hope and confidence win the day!

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Response to pat_k (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:28 PM

7. Health means this is almost certainly my last general election

I had great anxiety last year that the Dem party would not have a real primary season for my last time

OMalley, Chaffee Webb and especially Sanders put that anxiety to rest.

More importantly, Sanders proved that embers of love for people powered democracy is still capable of bursting into flames. I don't have a crystal ball, and I can't see the breakthrough. But I think new generations now harbor similar embers to those many Boomers held hope for over the last half century.

Sometime in the next half century, maybe sooner, maybe later, those embers will produce another bonfire.

I'll never get to know if comes at the end of a glorious progressive renaissance or at the end of a period of oppression... I'll be long long gone.

But, I know it's going to be a thing of beauty and it's as certain as the coming of spring.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:34 PM

8. I am so sorry to hear this. Your inspiring words are a gift.

Thank You.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:36 PM

11. We will go back to issues politics and leave the names to themselves.

 

But really, in 50 years, when nothing is done about climate change, we won't really worry about a centralized governing system.

This is the main reason, we can vote for the platform we want. Because neither Trump or Clinton will do enough to stop it.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:19 PM

24. Man...I thought I was dying...had cancer

cancer, after all, is a death penalty...

My solace was, believe it or not, ants and bees.

I began to think life is about genetics..not about breathing and skin and bones...but what went before me and what goes on after me.

I thought..damn, I have survived from that omeba to the fish that walked out of the sea through every evolution that took place!

My chances of never being born through the centuries was like a crap shoot!

And here I am..an amazing creature that survived millennium after millennium.

My genes are what matter...even if I don't have children, my sister, my brother, my cousins all have my genes....that is an ant colony...they are all related and all are willing to die to keep the hive (genes) alive.

I was still scared.

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:46 PM

5. It's bernie who has to make his case for his run for President...

He has the mic. No one can fix what's broken with his message, but him.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:46 PM

9. His message is definitely not broken

It's enlightened, hopeful and progressive. What broken is the so-called two party system where each tries to outdo the other in the worst possible way and both love the Oligarchy.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:02 PM

16. His message is NOT "broken"--but the Corporate Media is!

You should know this if you are a Clinton supporter. 24/7 TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP. They CREATED his candidacy--and have black-holed Sanders', a Democratic candidacy, and did little better by Clinton. TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP--that's all you're gonna hear from now on. Clinton has significant advantages outside of media attention, so she may weather it--while Sanders has all along been black-holed along with other significant handicaps. One of them is that the Corporate Media doesn't do IDEAS. They DON'T WANT people to think about single payer, for instance. And they certainly won't hear about Corporate/billionaire control of our political process before Citizens' United and much worse now. They just black-hole the issues that matter. It won't matter if Clinton raises issues or not; she will be treated like a horse in 'horserace' and as a footnote to TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP!

Why don't you get on THIS issue, instead of dissing the millions of people who want single payer or publicly funded elections, or free public college tuition like we had in the '60s and '70s?

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:16 PM

10. Not showing up to vote is not "fighting "

At least not in the real world.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:54 PM

12. Who said anything about not showing up to vote?

If Hillary wins the nomination, fighting for what Bernie stands for means electing the person most likely to sign any bills that implement any of his proposals into law. I don't think that's the Republican.

You can argue that getting anything he proposes through is "impossible," but I am not going there. I for one am not surrendering without a fight. It's the only sure way to lose.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:33 PM

14. Talking about Bernie 's failure in the primaries

If he had actually mobilized voters to actually vote for him we wouldn't be having this conversation

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Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:36 PM

15. You see his amazing successes as failures. I do not. 'nough said. (nt)

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Response to pat_k (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:23 PM

18. A revolution cannot be sustained by a small slice of society

The failure of Sanders supporters to accept how his message failed to resonate with broad swaths of American society is mind boggling.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:56 PM

22. A revolution cannot be sustained without a leader who offers hope, Clinton tells us why we cannot ..

strive for something better.

We are tired of the for profit health insurance industry, Clinton has backed this industry for decades.

We are tired of elections being bought by corporations who profit off the common people, Clinton accepting millions of dollars for her campaign.

We are tired of the killing that regime change brings and the backlash that follows.

We are tired of watching children in other countries being killed by our bombs and those wonderful cluster bombs.

Why do they hate us? Should we pause and think?

Revolutionary change does not happen overnight, as Pat said, one thing we do not need is to disillusion folks who have become engaged in the political process.

A revolution needs a leader, is Clinton that leader, I doubt it.

Then we are left with the same old game that has been played between the two parties for decades, sadly at the detriment of the majority of people in our country and also in other countries.

Our middle class is shrinking, we need a new direction and new leadership, the same old candidates do not offer the radical change we need to move forward.





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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:21 AM

23. Bernie's problem is a lack of revolutionaries

You let down your leader big time.

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:18 PM

13. Going all the way to the convention is smart

even if the loss is a foregone conclusion--which it ain't yet--, for many reasons. I've posted this before of course, I promise it will probably be the last:

- Influence on Party platform statements.

- Insurance in case of some political or personal disaster to the front runner, at least we will have a nominee ready to go.

- Airtime for the candidate or cause for future and down-ticket contests.

- Airtime for the front runner of the party that they wouldn't have otherwise; having a foil would give the media a reason to give the frontrunner another chance to reach undecideds.

- Using up campaign donations in the manner best fitted to fulfill the implied contract with--and the intentions of--the donors.

Great OP, patk!! Hell, if the only thing that comes out of this is a believable promise to appoint someone who will overturn Citizens United v. FEC, it will have been worth it.

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Response to FreedomRain (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:13 PM

17. Great points! (nt)

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Response to FreedomRain (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:16 PM

20. FBI leaks, delegate riots, Central American uprisings ...

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:03 PM

19. Thank you! Inspiring piece about perseverance, hope and making new alliances along the way

which all lead to more confidence!

You hit on so many points, thank you

Appreciate all you have done and are doing!





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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:42 PM

21. Well done!

Thank you for your hope and inspiration. K&R!

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Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:20 AM

26. Excellent post PatK ! I stand with you in this movement.

Bernie has inspired so many of us and this will continue long past the election.

I had no idea that DUers were involved in the fight against Ohio election fraud. I do remember the excitement of watching Boxer on the Senate floor fighting the Ohio election results. Thank you for all you've done. Onward!

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Response to pat_k (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:26 AM

27. I agree. Immobility is part of the shock response. Many remain more or less immobilized, but a force

 

has been awakened. A vital force that wants to fight back against those who would oppress us, and have successfully been doing so for decades at least. So long under the weight of the false Reagan ideas of economy, perpetuated by Republicans but also carried forward by all the various forms of "New Democrats".

It is great that Bernie's message, puncturing the widespread ideas of American exceptionalism with a good dose of realism, have spread so far and mobilized so many. It would be great if more people felt empowered by them, but obviously there are arguments around that the ideas are too large, too impossible, etc.

Still this lion has been awakened and given power and force and voice, and it is not going to go back into its cage all nicely, in my opinion.

And I am grateful that we are far enough away from the shock of events like 9-11 to be open to be actively fighting back, and that we have an individual to hold true to these same ideals and to carry them forward into office.

Join us!



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