2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMoment of Truth: The Decision that Derailed Bernie’s Campaign
Hillary Clintons legendary perseverance and resilience are on full display in 2016. She is winning the Democratic nomination despite a mile-high wall of personal attacks. It is exactly why she is the best candidate to take on Donald Trump.
Bernie Sanders has done many things right in this race and one thing very wrong. It is the wrong decision that I believe partially accounts for his poor showing on March 15th.
Lets start with whats right about Bernies message: he is a passionate purveyor of core progressive principles who has activated and energized millions of young voters. He speaks with conviction about crucial issues and he has helped bring those issues to the fore in 2016.
Heres whats wrong, terribly wrong: He caved to the pressure from his campaign manager Jeff Weaver and top aide Tad Devine to ride the ever-present wave of Hillary hate and to go after her character, impugning her honesty and insinuating that she is untrustworthy.
http://bluenationreview.com/decision-that-derailed-bernies-campaign/
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Eta: Blue Nation Review = David Brock = Clinton Campaign
dchill
(38,489 posts)Excellent reference for the self-propagating propaganda posters! Take a break before the onset of severe chafing!
Edit to add: Not you, KittyCat. The OP...
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)50 years from now in a polysci class, when discussing Political Propoganda. They're going to have a book as reference on her campaign.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Hey, that's mine David....
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to hundreds of other folks who were on the receiving end.
Sanders and his supporters and surrogates went way negative, and it hurt him.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Blue nation review = Brock = Clinton
Have a great night.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)about the same thing.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Chutzpah is too mild a word for this.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Rigging the system can lead to delusions of grandeur.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)I thought the battle was very not that. Bernie didn't attack as much as he should have. And that is why I love the guy.
She will not have such an easy time with Donald trump.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Boy does he need a new campaign staff.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I don't care if this is on Channel 10, or from this site.
ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Sander's campaign staff have made a number of blunders-going negative is just one of them. To be honest, I'm not surprised he did it--he almost had to to move forward--I'm more suprised at how he did it. It sounded like a reddit page. Fact free and full of CT woo
casperthegm
(643 posts)There's a BIG difference between smearing (as HRC well knows) and pointing out differences between candidates.
You know, the little things, like the Iraq War, Citizens United, money from Wall Street speeches (anyone seen those pesky transcripts anywhere?), fracking, healthcare for all, college education, and much more. Sorry if contrasting appears to be smearing.
Let me help clarify what smearing is; the auto bailout double down lie, the one issue candidate claim, the Koch brothers insinuation...those are smears.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Inequality is an important issue. The economy in general is an important issue. But there is a hell of a lot more to being a President than that and while he spoke about other issues, he spent much more time on economics and with the same points being made.
"It's the economy, stupid." That was the mantra during Bill Clinton's term. Maybe what worked in the 90s doesn't work so well now.
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
William769
(55,147 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)For all the vaunted fund-raising, and his supporters' sudden disdain of the "confederate" states after South Carolina, Bernie's campaign is a bit like the confederacy itself. It can inspire some passion, but doesn't have the stamina for the drawn out street-fight when it comes to funds. If Sanders made even a 10% point dent in some of Hillary's southern victories, he might actually be a position to contest the race going forward. But he had no money to compete across the south, so they abandoned the South with fingers crossed and an affected scorn. The Clinton campaign did the right thing: sensing weakness, they doubled down on the South. And Bernie got pummeled - absolutely defeated. It's the Clinton campaign, now, that looks like a cigar-chomping U.S. Grant, while the Sanders campaign is going to revel in noble defeat. Confederacy indeed!
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Can't wait to see her name on the ballot in the general election!
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)I love Bill's site.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)How you doin?
opiate69
(10,129 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Very very busy.
Do you realize that evidence of sadism and schadenfreude in her followers works against Hillary ever being acceptable to Bernie supporters?
Much more importantly: it is not healthy for your character. The reason we are here on earth is to improve our character/ soul/ self. Seriously: it is.
That's all.
ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Sadism? Where do you get that?
senz
(11,945 posts)Schadenfreude takes pleasure in viewing the suffering of others. Sadism takes pleasure in causing suffering in others.
ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)We should weight our responses in regards to harm and/or hurt it may cause, correct? Who is the arbitrator of what is harmful and what hurts? There are, of course, obvious things, I'm not referring to those.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's not what happens at the other end. We all inadvertently cause pain, but that doesn't make us cruel or sadistic. It's the intention that counts.
If your intention is to cause pain, then your intention is cruel.
If you take pleasure in causing pain, then you are sadistic.
William769
(55,147 posts)From what I've seen of Sanders supporters here and them saying they will never vote for Hillary, I'm not even going to try to make nice. I'm just going to wait till Hillary secures the nomination & wait for the mass exodus.
senz
(11,945 posts)It could be interesting.
William769
(55,147 posts)Have a nice day.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Anything you can think of he said that was untrue?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)while punting the entire South. Imagine if he had spent time in black communities in the south instead of meeting every farmer in Iowa.
Any primary campaign that writes off Texas and Florida is doomed.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)"I'm only running as a Dem for the media and money."
I don't know how much impact that has had so far, but if he doesn't get out of the race that statement will impact him in future races.
And while we are talking about bad decisions on his part, I would also say his debate performances that featured him attacking the Democratic party instead of just the GOP also sunk him. I actually witnessed people cringe while watching that in debates.
Stupid strategy, IMO.
ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Since I want Hillary to win, I only care to the point of harm to Hillary's campaign, and all ways to neutralize any harm done.
Early on, a number of people pointed out this or that strategy fails in Sanders campaign, they were, thankfully ignored. Still are for that matter.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)"once they got to know him." That's not a strategy to win black votes, that's arrogance and burying your head in the sand.
If Bernie could have gotten ~40% of the black vote, he may well be winning this race right now.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)All those gullible twenty-somethings, buying up his songs just because he supports Bernie? His tax bracket is probably different now. LOL
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Hillary supporter claim Bernie supporters were insulting people of color, but it is apparently fine to insult young people. People complain that young people are not political engaged.However when young people become engaged, you still insult them, because they don't support your candidate.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wonder where all of these defenders were when people were coming after us black folks? I guess they did not notice or care about that. No wonder we vote Hillary.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I think, was the major reason he lost and will continue to lose.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It's hard to see this as a decision as bashing Dems has always been part of Bernie's discourse and part of his appeal. A very big part. Did they have to run those really wretched anti-NAFTA ads in MI? No, but he won, so I don't think he'd change anything if he had a chance to do Tuesday night over. Still it's an olive branch and a gentle hint so K'n'R for that . . .
Vinca
(50,270 posts)It's not wrong to point out that a candidate was for something before she was against it. That's not saying she's dishonest. If you think this is an attack on Hillary, you've got some fun days in store for you with Trump.
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TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)He started out around 5% in the polls and received very little media attention due to the media obsession with Donald Trump. I think this derailed him more than anything.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The Clinton name is well known, for reasons good and bad. The Clinton positions are not so well known, and that is also a huge factor in her success.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Just another redundant propaganda post to try and make Bernie's followers fall in line. So transparent, so silly.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Shortly after Obama took office, a segment of the left became very angry. No matter what he did, it was not good enough. It should have been done faster, been bigger, or smaller, on and on and on.
By 2011, the perpetually disgruntled started to demand a primary opponent for Obama. It was never going to happen. But they demanded it. They didn't even have a viable candidate. But they were sure it was going to happen. Bernie even staggered into that nonsense. Of course that effort went nowhere.
The reality is that the angry left spent most of Obama's first 7 years complaining, and really doing nothing during that time to create an array of "acceptably progressive" alternatives to Clinton. As we got closer to 2015, they looked around and finally said, "Hey, we need a progressive alternative to Hillary", and so they started an effort to draft Warren. Which failed.
So Bernie took up their cause. And over the last year, he somehow became, for the angry left, the only person on the face of the earth who could save America.
Here on DU, anti-Hillary tirades have out numbered pro Bernie OPs by at least 5X. Why would anyone expect the media to spend time talking about Bernie when many of his loudest supporters spend almost no time talking about him, and the vast majority talking about (trashing) Clinton.
All of that time spent complaining about Obama, and now Hillary, has been a waste of time.
Bernie lost because the perpetually disgruntled have not gone out and created a set of viable alternatives. One guy (even Bernie) does not a movement make.
The "movement" was never about Bernie. The "movement" was primarily an "anti-Obama", and then "anti-Hillary" rant, with Bernie trying desperately to have his own (usually positive) message drowned out.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... I spent my "winter vacation" thinking about this.
Skinner released me and all the other political prisoners a little earlier today (I had 2 days left).
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... it was like the old old days when I just lurked.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)oasis
(49,383 posts)I don't see a future for them on any cable news political panel. They blew it, big time.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)would bring Hillary down. Weaves is going to be unemployed for a long time.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Carter's re-election, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and now Sanders.
oasis
(49,383 posts)You get what you pay for on a shoestring budget.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)riversedge
(70,214 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)George II
(67,782 posts).....I suspect his seeming change in character was prompted by Weaver's and Devine's influence on him.
They were nobodies before the campaign began, and once it's over they'll go back to being nobodies. That's why they want to drag this on as long as they can, to remain in the limelight for just a few more weeks.
mindem
(1,580 posts)Heaven forbid anyone questions her majesty's integrity. Whine, whine, pout, pout.
frylock
(34,825 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)the kill
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)become about hating Hillary rather than offering concrete ways in which to change what he perceives as broken. In short, his campaign went negative and those types of campaigns never end well.
brooklynite
(94,544 posts)...Sanders is losing; what's your explanation?
Number23
(24,544 posts)And his "ghetto" comments just corroborated what alot of black people and other POC already suspected.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)I winced at that, that was just completely tone-deaf.
I think so too.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And the way his camp interacted with Black People too. I think it was lost long ago, in July.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)It may very well have cost them the nomination. If they had concentrated on why Sanders is so good instead of making it about attacking Hillary, I think they would have had a shot.
Attacking Hillary, who enjoys well over 80% favorability with Democrats, was a fatal mistake.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Please, show.