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William769

(55,147 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:44 PM Mar 2016

Moment of Truth: The Decision that Derailed Bernie’s Campaign

Hillary Clinton’s legendary perseverance and resilience are on full display in 2016. She is winning the Democratic nomination despite a mile-high wall of personal attacks. It is exactly why she is the best candidate to take on Donald Trump.

Bernie Sanders has done many things right in this race — and one thing very wrong. It is the wrong decision that I believe partially accounts for his poor showing on March 15th.

Let’s start with what’s right about Bernie’s message: he is a passionate purveyor of core progressive principles who has activated and energized millions of young voters. He speaks with conviction about crucial issues and he has helped bring those issues to the fore in 2016.

Here’s what’s wrong, terribly wrong: He caved to the pressure from his campaign manager Jeff Weaver and top aide Tad Devine to ride the ever-present wave of Hillary hate and to go after her character, impugning her honesty and insinuating that she is untrustworthy.

http://bluenationreview.com/decision-that-derailed-bernies-campaign/

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Moment of Truth: The Decision that Derailed Bernie’s Campaign (Original Post) William769 Mar 2016 OP
Propoganda. Sorry. Try again. Kittycat Mar 2016 #1
Another cog in the Clinton Lie Machine. dchill Mar 2016 #18
Lol. I totally got it :) Kittycat Mar 2016 #25
+1 Jarqui Mar 2016 #80
David 'Pizza-Rat' Brock Alert.....BlueNationReview Propaganda Inc. Segami Mar 2016 #82
You probably mean propaganda, and no, it's not. From Howard Dean to Elizabeth Warren stevenleser Mar 2016 #84
Sorry. Still not buying what you're selling. Kittycat Mar 2016 #86
I'm not selling anything. All you have to do is open your eyes. Tons of people complaining stevenleser Mar 2016 #88
Article on a Brock-owned Web site by a Clinton-owned pundit RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #2
Ignore it at your peril. riversedge Mar 2016 #4
Spoken with the arrogance of undue entitlement and illegitimate ownership RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #32
No, I spoke with sincerity. riversedge Mar 2016 #48
Oh, wait.. frylock Mar 2016 #60
Wow, this is absolute garbage ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #3
Sanders going so very negitive these last few weeks did him in. riversedge Mar 2016 #5
After his pledge not to. William769 Mar 2016 #7
I don't bother wiht propaganda disguised as news nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #6
I agree ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #8
Is it really smearing when you point out facts about Clinton's actions? casperthegm Mar 2016 #9
Where's the "hate" part? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #10
K&R nt. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #11
I think the one thing that hurt him was focusing mainly on 1 issue: inequality. randome Mar 2016 #12
DU rec for all kinds of reasons...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #13
To many to list. William769 Mar 2016 #14
Yup. He also didn't have enough money to contest the Southern states, which has doomed his campaign alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #15
K&R mcar Mar 2016 #16
I'm pretty sure bluenationreview is full of crap and its owner is hoping for a HRC gig. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #17
The truth shall set you free! William769 Mar 2016 #19
Right back at you. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #20
Hill yes! William769 Mar 2016 #22
I'm glad you'll have to feel the Bern for a while longer. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #26
We saw who got William769 Mar 2016 #27
I knew the real Bill would reveal himself. Just scratch the surface and ClintonCave emerges. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #28
"The Clinton Cave"? ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #29
You would. opiate69 Mar 2016 #37
Hey you! ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #39
I'm doing great, actually. Thanks. And yourself? opiate69 Mar 2016 #49
Pretty good ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #66
Ick. senz Mar 2016 #41
Schadenfreude? Quite possibly. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #44
They're closely related, ismnotwasm. senz Mar 2016 #52
So if we are here to improve the character of our soul ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #67
It's simpler than that. senz Mar 2016 #85
Frankly I don't care. William769 Mar 2016 #69
Some day you should tell us what good you expect from a Hillary presidency. senz Mar 2016 #71
Well to start off with, it will be better than a Sanders presidency. William769 Mar 2016 #74
He stuck to issues snowy owl Mar 2016 #21
nah, I'd say it was when he spent way, way, way too much time in Iowa and NH geek tragedy Mar 2016 #23
That was a bad decision, but so was.... MaggieD Mar 2016 #24
There is a list of strategy mistakes that's for sure ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #38
I think it was when they decided that Black voters would support him firebrand80 Mar 2016 #30
Watch out, the Killer Mike endorsement will be kicking in anytime now CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #33
Bernie got very little from Killer Mike's endorsement. Killer Mike, tho, probably made BANK from it CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #56
Why is it ok to insult 20 somethings? malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #75
Because most of these people are a-holes. It's that simple Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #78
They do not vote as much, that is not an insult bravenak Mar 2016 #79
Lots derailed the campaign, that being just one. The adults having the room, seabeyond Mar 2016 #31
That's a very generous reading. ucrdem Mar 2016 #34
I think Bernie has stayed pretty positive re Hillary, only pointing out their differences. Vinca Mar 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #36
How about this? TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #40
The Clinton name has "brand recognition" and THAT is a huge factor in her success. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #42
The only problem with the post is the Sanders's campaign hasn't been derailed. Impedimentus Mar 2016 #43
He lost back in 2011, if not before. Here's why. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #45
Wow. Nice overview. randome Mar 2016 #51
Welll ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #53
Nice having you back. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #63
Good to be back ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #72
Insightful redstateblues Mar 2016 #81
Devine and Weaver were always looking out for themselves. oasis Mar 2016 #46
Weaver is a smart ass. He though using right wing talking points Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #55
Tad Devine's resume: 5 failed campaigns to get someone elected president. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #58
Yup, Bernie found Devine in the bargain basement campaign manager's bin. oasis Mar 2016 #62
It's not over yet.... but please keep thinking it is! reformist2 Mar 2016 #47
REC riversedge Mar 2016 #50
K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #54
Before the campaign began, Sanders was sensible and decent, and had some good ideas...... George II Mar 2016 #57
What drivel. mindem Mar 2016 #59
Hillary's propaganda organ weighs in frylock Mar 2016 #61
total opposite of the truth; actually, Bernie has been too gentle on her; he could have gone in for amborin Mar 2016 #64
I agree. At some point, Bernie's message seemed to BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #65
For those who dismissed the article because of it's source... brooklynite Mar 2016 #68
I still think his reaction to the BLM protests kind of did him in Number23 Mar 2016 #70
Oh the "ghetto" comment Tarc Mar 2016 #73
YEP bravenak Mar 2016 #77
I think it was that... bravenak Mar 2016 #76
This has been a problem from day one among Sanders' supporters and surrogates. stevenleser Mar 2016 #83
Where did Bernie or his surrogates attack Hillary? Octafish Mar 2016 #87

dchill

(38,489 posts)
18. Another cog in the Clinton Lie Machine.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Excellent reference for the self-propagating propaganda posters! Take a break before the onset of severe chafing!

Edit to add: Not you, KittyCat. The OP...

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
25. Lol. I totally got it :)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

50 years from now in a polysci class, when discussing Political Propoganda. They're going to have a book as reference on her campaign.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
82. David 'Pizza-Rat' Brock Alert.....BlueNationReview Propaganda Inc.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016


Hey, that's mine David....
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
84. You probably mean propaganda, and no, it's not. From Howard Dean to Elizabeth Warren
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

to hundreds of other folks who were on the receiving end.

Sanders and his supporters and surrogates went way negative, and it hurt him.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
86. Sorry. Still not buying what you're selling.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016


Blue nation review = Brock = Clinton


Have a great night.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
88. I'm not selling anything. All you have to do is open your eyes. Tons of people complaining
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

about the same thing.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
32. Spoken with the arrogance of undue entitlement and illegitimate ownership
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

Rigging the system can lead to delusions of grandeur.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
3. Wow, this is absolute garbage
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

I thought the battle was very not that. Bernie didn't attack as much as he should have. And that is why I love the guy.

She will not have such an easy time with Donald trump.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. I don't bother wiht propaganda disguised as news
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

I don't care if this is on Channel 10, or from this site.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
8. I agree
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

Sander's campaign staff have made a number of blunders-going negative is just one of them. To be honest, I'm not surprised he did it--he almost had to to move forward--I'm more suprised at how he did it. It sounded like a reddit page. Fact free and full of CT woo

casperthegm

(643 posts)
9. Is it really smearing when you point out facts about Clinton's actions?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

There's a BIG difference between smearing (as HRC well knows) and pointing out differences between candidates.

You know, the little things, like the Iraq War, Citizens United, money from Wall Street speeches (anyone seen those pesky transcripts anywhere?), fracking, healthcare for all, college education, and much more. Sorry if contrasting appears to be smearing.

Let me help clarify what smearing is; the auto bailout double down lie, the one issue candidate claim, the Koch brothers insinuation...those are smears.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. I think the one thing that hurt him was focusing mainly on 1 issue: inequality.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

Inequality is an important issue. The economy in general is an important issue. But there is a hell of a lot more to being a President than that and while he spoke about other issues, he spent much more time on economics and with the same points being made.

"It's the economy, stupid." That was the mantra during Bill Clinton's term. Maybe what worked in the 90s doesn't work so well now.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
15. Yup. He also didn't have enough money to contest the Southern states, which has doomed his campaign
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

For all the vaunted fund-raising, and his supporters' sudden disdain of the "confederate" states after South Carolina, Bernie's campaign is a bit like the confederacy itself. It can inspire some passion, but doesn't have the stamina for the drawn out street-fight when it comes to funds. If Sanders made even a 10% point dent in some of Hillary's southern victories, he might actually be a position to contest the race going forward. But he had no money to compete across the south, so they abandoned the South with fingers crossed and an affected scorn. The Clinton campaign did the right thing: sensing weakness, they doubled down on the South. And Bernie got pummeled - absolutely defeated. It's the Clinton campaign, now, that looks like a cigar-chomping U.S. Grant, while the Sanders campaign is going to revel in noble defeat. Confederacy indeed!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
41. Ick.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

Do you realize that evidence of sadism and schadenfreude in her followers works against Hillary ever being acceptable to Bernie supporters?

Much more importantly: it is not healthy for your character. The reason we are here on earth is to improve our character/ soul/ self. Seriously: it is.

That's all.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
52. They're closely related, ismnotwasm.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

Schadenfreude takes pleasure in viewing the suffering of others. Sadism takes pleasure in causing suffering in others.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
67. So if we are here to improve the character of our soul
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

We should weight our responses in regards to harm and/or hurt it may cause, correct? Who is the arbitrator of what is harmful and what hurts? There are, of course, obvious things, I'm not referring to those.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
85. It's simpler than that.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

It's not what happens at the other end. We all inadvertently cause pain, but that doesn't make us cruel or sadistic. It's the intention that counts.

If your intention is to cause pain, then your intention is cruel.

If you take pleasure in causing pain, then you are sadistic.

William769

(55,147 posts)
69. Frankly I don't care.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

From what I've seen of Sanders supporters here and them saying they will never vote for Hillary, I'm not even going to try to make nice. I'm just going to wait till Hillary secures the nomination & wait for the mass exodus.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
71. Some day you should tell us what good you expect from a Hillary presidency.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016

It could be interesting.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. nah, I'd say it was when he spent way, way, way too much time in Iowa and NH
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:21 PM
Mar 2016

while punting the entire South. Imagine if he had spent time in black communities in the south instead of meeting every farmer in Iowa.

Any primary campaign that writes off Texas and Florida is doomed.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
24. That was a bad decision, but so was....
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

"I'm only running as a Dem for the media and money."

I don't know how much impact that has had so far, but if he doesn't get out of the race that statement will impact him in future races.

And while we are talking about bad decisions on his part, I would also say his debate performances that featured him attacking the Democratic party instead of just the GOP also sunk him. I actually witnessed people cringe while watching that in debates.

Stupid strategy, IMO.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
38. There is a list of strategy mistakes that's for sure
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

Since I want Hillary to win, I only care to the point of harm to Hillary's campaign, and all ways to neutralize any harm done.

Early on, a number of people pointed out this or that strategy fails in Sanders campaign, they were, thankfully ignored. Still are for that matter.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
30. I think it was when they decided that Black voters would support him
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016

"once they got to know him." That's not a strategy to win black votes, that's arrogance and burying your head in the sand.

If Bernie could have gotten ~40% of the black vote, he may well be winning this race right now.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
56. Bernie got very little from Killer Mike's endorsement. Killer Mike, tho, probably made BANK from it
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

All those gullible twenty-somethings, buying up his songs just because he supports Bernie? His tax bracket is probably different now. LOL

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
75. Why is it ok to insult 20 somethings?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary supporter claim Bernie supporters were insulting people of color, but it is apparently fine to insult young people. People complain that young people are not political engaged.However when young people become engaged, you still insult them, because they don't support your candidate.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
79. They do not vote as much, that is not an insult
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

I wonder where all of these defenders were when people were coming after us black folks? I guess they did not notice or care about that. No wonder we vote Hillary.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. Lots derailed the campaign, that being just one. The adults having the room,
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

I think, was the major reason he lost and will continue to lose.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
34. That's a very generous reading.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

It's hard to see this as a decision as bashing Dems has always been part of Bernie's discourse and part of his appeal. A very big part. Did they have to run those really wretched anti-NAFTA ads in MI? No, but he won, so I don't think he'd change anything if he had a chance to do Tuesday night over. Still it's an olive branch and a gentle hint so K'n'R for that . . .

Vinca

(50,270 posts)
35. I think Bernie has stayed pretty positive re Hillary, only pointing out their differences.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

It's not wrong to point out that a candidate was for something before she was against it. That's not saying she's dishonest. If you think this is an attack on Hillary, you've got some fun days in store for you with Trump.

Response to William769 (Original post)

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
40. How about this?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

He started out around 5% in the polls and received very little media attention due to the media obsession with Donald Trump. I think this derailed him more than anything.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
42. The Clinton name has "brand recognition" and THAT is a huge factor in her success.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

The Clinton name is well known, for reasons good and bad. The Clinton positions are not so well known, and that is also a huge factor in her success.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
43. The only problem with the post is the Sanders's campaign hasn't been derailed.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

Just another redundant propaganda post to try and make Bernie's followers fall in line. So transparent, so silly.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
45. He lost back in 2011, if not before. Here's why.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

Shortly after Obama took office, a segment of the left became very angry. No matter what he did, it was not good enough. It should have been done faster, been bigger, or smaller, on and on and on.

By 2011, the perpetually disgruntled started to demand a primary opponent for Obama. It was never going to happen. But they demanded it. They didn't even have a viable candidate. But they were sure it was going to happen. Bernie even staggered into that nonsense. Of course that effort went nowhere.

The reality is that the angry left spent most of Obama's first 7 years complaining, and really doing nothing during that time to create an array of "acceptably progressive" alternatives to Clinton. As we got closer to 2015, they looked around and finally said, "Hey, we need a progressive alternative to Hillary", and so they started an effort to draft Warren. Which failed.

So Bernie took up their cause. And over the last year, he somehow became, for the angry left, the only person on the face of the earth who could save America.

Here on DU, anti-Hillary tirades have out numbered pro Bernie OPs by at least 5X. Why would anyone expect the media to spend time talking about Bernie when many of his loudest supporters spend almost no time talking about him, and the vast majority talking about (trashing) Clinton.

All of that time spent complaining about Obama, and now Hillary, has been a waste of time.

Bernie lost because the perpetually disgruntled have not gone out and created a set of viable alternatives. One guy (even Bernie) does not a movement make.

The "movement" was never about Bernie. The "movement" was primarily an "anti-Obama", and then "anti-Hillary" rant, with Bernie trying desperately to have his own (usually positive) message drowned out.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
51. Wow. Nice overview.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
53. Welll ...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

... I spent my "winter vacation" thinking about this.

Skinner released me and all the other political prisoners a little earlier today (I had 2 days left).

oasis

(49,383 posts)
46. Devine and Weaver were always looking out for themselves.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

I don't see a future for them on any cable news political panel. They blew it, big time.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
55. Weaver is a smart ass. He though using right wing talking points
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

would bring Hillary down. Weaves is going to be unemployed for a long time.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
58. Tad Devine's resume: 5 failed campaigns to get someone elected president.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

Carter's re-election, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and now Sanders.

oasis

(49,383 posts)
62. Yup, Bernie found Devine in the bargain basement campaign manager's bin.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

You get what you pay for on a shoestring budget.

George II

(67,782 posts)
57. Before the campaign began, Sanders was sensible and decent, and had some good ideas......
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

.....I suspect his seeming change in character was prompted by Weaver's and Devine's influence on him.

They were nobodies before the campaign began, and once it's over they'll go back to being nobodies. That's why they want to drag this on as long as they can, to remain in the limelight for just a few more weeks.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
64. total opposite of the truth; actually, Bernie has been too gentle on her; he could have gone in for
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

the kill

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
65. I agree. At some point, Bernie's message seemed to
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

become about hating Hillary rather than offering concrete ways in which to change what he perceives as broken. In short, his campaign went negative and those types of campaigns never end well.

brooklynite

(94,544 posts)
68. For those who dismissed the article because of it's source...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

...Sanders is losing; what's your explanation?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
70. I still think his reaction to the BLM protests kind of did him in
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

And his "ghetto" comments just corroborated what alot of black people and other POC already suspected.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
76. I think it was that...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

And the way his camp interacted with Black People too. I think it was lost long ago, in July.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
83. This has been a problem from day one among Sanders' supporters and surrogates.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

It may very well have cost them the nomination. If they had concentrated on why Sanders is so good instead of making it about attacking Hillary, I think they would have had a shot.

Attacking Hillary, who enjoys well over 80% favorability with Democrats, was a fatal mistake.

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