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Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:28 AM

I have come to realize one main difference between Hillary and Bernie supporters

It is how they feel about the possibilities of a Trump in the WH.
Up to now some in both camps have been hoping Trump will lose, he still may, though after yesterday it is unlikely.
Lets assume he will win. My friends that support Hillary believe he can not possibly win the general election. They think he has destroyed the Republican Party and we will have a walk in to the WH. Hillary has succeeded with numbers that indicate this during the primary season.
Bernie supporters do not think Trump needs to rely on total Republican support as he is gathering masses of non-voters, 40% of Americans, and many blue dog Democrats. Bernie supporters also sense the attraction to Trump is part of the anti establishment movement that has grown in strength on both sides. More and more of us see this as the main interest of this election.
All Democrats understand that Trump has large negative factors; Bernie supporters recognize that Hillary shares this factor with Trump.
We all are scared shitless of a possible Trump presidency. The Bernie people do not share the optimism of the Hillary people that ultimately we will see a woman in the WH or that the good always prevails thus are more fearful of Trump winning.
I know this is a bit scattered but right now I am rather shaken up thinking of the disaster a Trump win would mean to the entire planet.
We Democrats need to put forth not only the right candidate but also the right platform for a future most Americans believe is possible.
The momentum of the anti establishment movement has the potential to become a most powerful event in American politics.
As Democrats who care about the planet we must rise to the occasion, consider carefully all the consequences, and demand that our candidate stands for the principles we hold.
Our argument needs to be about substance and not personality.

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Reply I have come to realize one main difference between Hillary and Bernie supporters (Original post)
randr Mar 2016 OP
bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
randr Mar 2016 #2
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #3
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #4
vintx Mar 2016 #27
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #29
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #5
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #10
fun n serious Mar 2016 #12
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #14
fun n serious Mar 2016 #15
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #17
fun n serious Mar 2016 #19
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #22
artislife Mar 2016 #18
fun n serious Mar 2016 #20
artislife Mar 2016 #23
fun n serious Mar 2016 #24
artislife Mar 2016 #31
fun n serious Mar 2016 #21
HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #6
ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #7
zalinda Mar 2016 #8
fun n serious Mar 2016 #13
Skwmom Mar 2016 #9
fun n serious Mar 2016 #25
felix_numinous Mar 2016 #11
vintx Mar 2016 #28
seabeyond Mar 2016 #16
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #26
WhiteTara Mar 2016 #30
LAS14 Mar 2016 #32
randr Mar 2016 #33
PonyUp Mar 2016 #34
nc4bo Mar 2016 #36
PonyUp Mar 2016 #37
nc4bo Mar 2016 #38
DanTex Mar 2016 #35

Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:29 AM

1. There are several difference between Hillary and Bernie supporters

and if you do not know that then what can I say.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:34 AM

2. I do not think most of the differences amout to a hill o beans

compared to losing the WH.

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:37 AM

3. Because Republicans control 32 states, and control who counts the votes,

I think that any of their nominees can win, if we have a close election.

Trump is at the forefront of the anti-establishment movement. The Republican establishment is scared shitless that Trump will win the nomination and destroy the Republican ability to Schmooz major constituencies into the ballot box.

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:53 AM

4. yes, the platform

Have been wondering about that. Is it too late to try to get some of the Bernie stuff into the platform? Sorry, I am a precinct worker but I have never gotten involved in higher level stuff. I do not know about the strategies for platform material. Thanks. I want us to have something in the platform which will allow us to keep working even if clinton is the nominee and eventual president.

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:12 PM

27. Might be different in your state but here the first step is the county level convention.

 

Check out your state party website. There will doubtless be instructions on how to become a delegate and submit a resolution.

Good luck. Submitting resolutions in a red state is a very eye-opening experience. You find out just how right wing dems can be.

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Response to vintx (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:18 PM

29. I am learning that, smile. Shocks me.

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:07 AM

5. For me it goes one further

Last edited Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:34 PM - Edit history (2)

Clinton supporters cannot see why Trump can easily take them down, fighting dirty will never beat Trump. They think dirty tricks and triangulation tactics are strengths.

They are not.

Edited to add: if they think that co-opting Trump will work, good luck. Even if they manage it, they will lose even more liberals and progressives. They cannot keep their base and co-opt Trump.

It's possible that Trump, should he become president, would be easy to control within the beltway environment (government is not a business and Mr. Thin Skin is transparently insecure).

The possibly bi-partisan oligarchy will either go down with him, or lose. You can't beat someone with no conscience, not by the usual tactics. I strongly believe Bernie is our only chance.

They need us and we know better.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:35 PM

10. Or they'll just buy him



Good luck explaining that to the tax paying public.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:23 PM

12. I hear this over and over

 

but If Hilary can get more votes than Bernie what does that mean?

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:45 PM

14. It wouldn't matter if she gets more votes

That's what I'm saying. If he wins the nomination, he will dominate the entire conversation. He would suck all the air out of the room.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:49 PM

15. Explain his route to a win

 

without votes? Super delegates? No.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:00 PM

17. This isn't like a football game

It's more like tug-of-war. The democratic party won't pull hard enough as it is, if Trump gets in, it's over.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:37 PM

19. I welcome Bernie

 

forcing Hillary to fight harder.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:56 PM

22. Me too

Though I don't believe she would, not for us. I flat don't trust her, I don't believe a word she says.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:04 PM

18. You are spot on

 

Unfortunately, most of us have paid attention to how she and her surrogates acted during the primaries. We lose Bernie, they feel they don't need to appease the Left at all. The difference to the Left who gets in is not much. But people don't like so called allies acting the way they do.

They haven't earned our votes. Not yet.

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Response to artislife (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:42 PM

20. I've tried...

 

Sadly anything I tried to debate got flagged leading to a bogus hide. You know we left to post some where else because you side ran the board not willing to hear us. Even now, what ever I say you will not vote for Hillary so we have to fire up our own base. This was an anti-Hillary site and we were the minority. I like Sanders and hope he pulls Hillary to the left.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:39 PM

23. She shouldn't have to be pulled. She should be acting like a progressive, already.

 

Everyone gets a bogus hide now and then. So what.

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Response to artislife (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:50 PM

24. She is progressive.

 

I would like to see her a little more left, that's all. There is no reason for us to appease to TRY o appease you guys here on DU. You have said you will not vote for her under any circumstance, so why should we TRY to change you? Vote how you wish. Hillary is winning by delegates and the popular vote.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:47 PM

31. She isn't. And don't invite us to vote for her.

 

= tears in November for someone so fun and serious.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:43 PM

21. Hillary will fight Trump with intelligence and issues. nt

 

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:21 AM

6. I am not scared shitless of a Trump presidency

I would be scared of a Congress that provides majority support for Trump.

The president certainly has executive authority, Obama has been forced to plumb that, and the Cheney administration exploited that authority under powers of the C-I-C of the military.

But, in a Congress hostile to the behavior of Trump his powers would be limited and likely a motivator of attempts to limit what actions he took.

So, I am more concerned about Trump-voters and the Congressional representatives that they would elect.

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:29 AM

7. Wrong. It has to be about personality, as well.

Personality (the right kind) leads to leadership. A good personality, one that is based on strengths, and not some feeling of entitlement or inevitability, or even smug conviction that it is their turn, leads to good judgement in tough times. Sadly, the leader of the nomination, at this time, has neither a personality that promotes leadership, nor one that lends itself to good judgment.

Even worse, she faces an unprecedented attack on a scale that she never experienced. Her senate run? It was hands off by the "vaunted" NY press jackals. I was shocked how much they supported her, covered up for her, and refused to pull the infamous NY yellow journalism on her.

Trump is already digging in, attacking her weak points. These will only escalate. He will make her appear addled, confused, brittle, even senile when he is done. Mark my words.

Today, Trump is the likely president, and I am thinking about dual citizenship elsewhere because of it.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:10 PM

8. You're right

She barely had to campaign here in NY. It was a total walk in the park.

Z

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:28 PM

13. She had been attacked for years.

 

This is not worse than ever. Not by a long shot. She can do this. I would like to see Bernie in a big position where his ideas will move us more left but I doubt he is interested but I hope so.

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:14 PM

9. If he is in it to win it, Trump will beat Clinton.

There are too many lines of attack to peel off different voting groups.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:52 PM

25. You under estimate the American people

 

Maybe not YOU but Americans everywhere will vote and will stop Trump.

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:20 PM

11. The biggest difference is tolerance for corporate rule,

Third Way is very different than the Social Democratic left. I am amazed at how many people can acquiesce to being ruled by the 1%, if this is the case.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:15 PM

28. This. nt

 

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:51 PM

16. Boo Trump. !!! Nt

 

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:55 PM

26. And at the end of the day we need to support whoever the candidate is.

I didnt see you say that, did you mean to say that?

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Response to randr (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:22 PM

30. vote democratic in November

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Response to randr (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:05 AM

32. Several weeks ago Bill Clinton warned...

... about a Trump candidacy. He pointed out that Trump's a genius at identifying the vulnerabilities in the electorate. I think Bill's a Hillary supporter.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:09 AM

33. The 1% do not care who wins--as long as it is one of them

Trump, the Kochs, and even the Clintons will do fine now that Bernie is out of the race. They have all made enormous gains in their wealth during the Obama years and will continue to do so with either Hillary or Trump.

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Response to PonyUp (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:15 AM

36. Are you saying there are "ties that bind"? Yes, I think you are.

And it's a very real possibility considering these folks have close relationships with one another, even their kids.

Of course, jmh. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

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Response to PonyUp (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:26 AM

38. Big ole 1% er country club. nt

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Response to randr (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:13 AM

35. Well, the Bernie-or-Busters don't mind seeing a Trump presidency, so that's one huge difference.

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