2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNow that we are out of most of the Southern states
I see the meme to attack Bernie has been switched by the campaign and their supporters. David Brock must be so proud of his followers.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Is not going to work as well in large urban areas outside the South.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)threads........
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Are you opposed to education and healthcare? And we have Hillary's role in the Honduras coup. That is getting exposed.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I think I deleted Brock's email directives by accident this morning!
Thanks.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Correct the Record through their website they hook you up once again
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The website is for Heroic Outsiders (tm) to squabble over.
We EvilInsiders have a direct telepathic link with Comandante* David Brock for most things, but I failed to sense this change of direction while BrockChanneling this morning, and there was the matter of that deleted email. Anyway, thought you would know. Sorry to bother.
* If you recall last week's BrockChannel message, we're to refer to Brock as Comandante for the remainder of the states, tu sabes?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)reply??? Makes a lot of sense to me Go forth and slander, you are truly an asset to the cause
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I didn't receive it either.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...Employee of the month at Oligarchs "R" Us. He has the parking place to prove it.
It is amazing that most enamored of the Clintonista persona can't see past the blather and bullshit. I wonder if late at night, after the servants have been dismissed for the evening, if Bill, Hill and little Chelsea don't sit around the crackling fire and ruminate on Chelsea's little "run" after Hill has had her two terms. Oh, exciting... America's royalty! Move over Wills and Kate... the colonies are catching up!
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)to most. They want what they want and will accept any course of action to get where they want to be.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And I can't imagine Bernie being very proud of the BernieBros and their efforts to take down the entire party if they don't get their way. And I really can't imagine him being very proud of those so-called supporters embracing right wingers in their frenzied excitement to burn the party to the ground.
I mean as long as we are talking about pride and supporters.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)mind and others it may be accurate..........propaganda is a very powerful tool.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You've definitely brought some of the nastiest right wing propaganda out there right into our den.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)her WESTERN REPRESENTATION PAC propaganda and then I may respect anything you may write in the future.......
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... they've done a pretty good job portraying Hillary as a racist, homophobic, warmongering, money grubber. They've done almost as good as the Republicans have. They're very Donald Trumpish in their approach, but then again that's what a political revolution and an insurgent campaign is all about, so it's not all bad. But, you have to accept when Hillary's team fights garbage with garbage, it's part of the price the Sanders campaign pays.
we came we saw................... a couple of super predators but thought that they should not be allowed to be married because marriage is between a man and a woman......
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)No, Sanders really did not play a role in marriage equality, but remember: You must believe that everything Sanders did was right. He can do no wrong. In my opinion, everything is context. Sanders is a great leftist in a state that is liberal. The Clintons are moderate progressives in a nation that is quite conservative. Sanders history with gay rights is better than Hillary's, no doubt about it, but drop your delusions. You can still support him even though he though fled to an almost all white state that was liberal, where he rarely had to compromise (except on gun rights, the stealth bomber, gay marriage, and apparently the Minutemen).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage_us_569fcc4de4b0a7026bf9e06f
Sanders did support civil unions as far back as 15 years ago, but it was for the same reason he opposed the federal Defense of Marriage Act in 1996: his strong belief in state's rights. He wasn't advocating for legal marriage for same-sex couples. He actually avoided the subject.
As one Vermont columnist put it in 2000, getting a straight answer from Sanders on gay marriage "was like pulling teeth... from a rhinoceros." In 2006, Sanders said he supported civil unions but not same-sex marriage, again deferring to states
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/23/no-bernie-sanders-the-pioneer-marriage-equality.html
What is surprising, really, is that Sanders supported Vermonts civil unions for precisely the same reason he opposed DOMA in 1996; his staunch belief that equality or the lack thereof was the purview of each individual state, not the federal government. In 2006 Senator Sanders reiterated his support for civil unions, but not same-sex marriage and once again demurred to the Tenther position deferring to each state the purview to either allow, or deny, LGBT equality under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution; the same position held by several former Confederate states today.
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In fact, in 2000 a Vermont opinion columnist wrote that not only was the Vermont Independent not an advocate for marriage equality, he shunned talking about the issue like plague by avoiding the subject altogether. As the columnist put it in 2000, getting a straight answer from Sanders on gay marriage was like pulling teeth
from a rhinoceros.
http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/
But his record on gay marriage is more complicated than he now makes it sound. While Sanders generally opposed measures to ban gay marriage, he did not speak out in favor of it until 2009. Thats still ahead of Clinton, who released a YouTube video announcing her support in 2013, as well as most other Democratic Senators, but not as early as hes now casting it.
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In 2006, when the Bush White House proposed an amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between a man and a woman, Sanders spoke out against the Republican plan, saying it was designed to divide the American people.
But when Sanders was asked by a reporter whether Vermont should legalize same-sex marriage, he said no. Not right now, not after what we went through, he said.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)Even as a bernie supporter, I have to agree that it's really unfair to label someone who voted for the Iraq war, spent most of her career and adult life opposing gay marriage, and takes millions for speeches to Wall Street a homophobic moneygrubbing warmongerer.
I don't think I ever called her a racist, but her supporters have claimed that it's clear to the AA community that she hates all blacks. I actually never heard a Bernie supporter say that.