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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:19 PM Feb 2016

If Bernie doesn't take it, be prepared for an election fought on GOP terms....yet again


This election is a chance for the Democratic Party to make a meaningful change in a better direction.

The GOP will, as usual, be proactive in pushing their awful agenda. Trump, Rubio or whomever they put up is going to be fighting to demonize and kill liberalism, advance the interest of their corporate backers and pander to their wingnut base.

If nominated, Bernie will fight and claw to defend and advance Democratic Liberal principles. He will not back down, and he will push to get the truth through to a large population.

If nominated, Clinton will return to form and ignore the the increasingly deteriorating Big Picture and run yet another tapioca campaign, with tepid convoluted plans to make life maybe slightly a little bit better for people. But she'll continue the pattern of letting Big Money and Big Power off the hook. She's just play the "politics as a team sport" template selling a holding action against the GOP, and nothing more.





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If Bernie doesn't take it, be prepared for an election fought on GOP terms....yet again (Original Post) Armstead Feb 2016 OP
Sanders claimed he wants a "course correction" when asked will he continue Obama's legacy... YCHDT Feb 2016 #1
Just wait until Hillary drops Obama like NWCorona Feb 2016 #3
I'm sure there will be somethings she'll go to the right on but for the most part she'll want to... YCHDT Feb 2016 #6
IMHO it's not that she doesn't want to continue what he started NWCorona Feb 2016 #7
There is no DNC base. There's a liberal base that has traditionally voted Democratic. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #18
The real base or the DNC base? Armstead Feb 2016 #4
Sanders didnt speak about Clinton nor did the question have anything to do with her.. YCHDT Feb 2016 #8
I think if you sat down with Obama and he was able to speak freely.... Armstead Feb 2016 #9
A course correction away from GOP policies not on his legacy which the question was about... YCHDT Feb 2016 #10
It is possible to support a president and agree with him on much, but also have disagreements Armstead Feb 2016 #11
At the end of the day it looks like Sanders is running counter to the DNC base which is mostly.. YCHDT Feb 2016 #12
Convenient, isn't it, that Dems always let the republicans frame the issues? n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #2
The best predictor of future behavior Mufaddal Feb 2016 #5
What else does your crystal ball say? zappaman Feb 2016 #13
If I had those kinds of powers we could both join the 1 percent with the winnings Armstead Feb 2016 #16
No: I refuse to play that game again. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #14
Thanks for the FUD but I'm not worried MaggieD Feb 2016 #15
Clinton/obama 4, all Repubs 0 nt msongs Feb 2016 #17
The only plus will be that I won't have to watch any of it if Bernie is not the nominee. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #19
I've been dealing with that emotional dilemma myself Armstead Feb 2016 #20

YCHDT

(962 posts)
1. Sanders claimed he wants a "course correction" when asked will he continue Obama's legacy...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

... isn't that counter to what most of thet DNC base wants?

YCHDT

(962 posts)
6. I'm sure there will be somethings she'll go to the right on but for the most part she'll want to...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

... continue what he started.

I sounds like the DNC base wants that more than a course correction.

It would be political suicide to distance herself from him at any time

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
7. IMHO it's not that she doesn't want to continue what he started
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

It's just that she'll pivot to where ever she needs to be and that isn't a good thing.

hedda_foil

(16,373 posts)
18. There is no DNC base. There's a liberal base that has traditionally voted Democratic.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

The DNC under DWS has handed offices at every level of government to increasingly terrible Republicans by clinging to the corporate funders who dictate the terms of debate.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. The real base or the DNC base?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

I think the real base wants to continue Obama's legacy and build on it, and give it more oomph to beat back the GOP and accomplish the liberal/progressive side of Obama's agenda.

That does require some corse correction away from the Clinton Corporate Consrvative aspect of the Democratic Party.

I would say at least half of the Clinton voters are doing so without much enthusiasm. They prefer Bernie's agenda and values, but they're worried about the GOP.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
8. Sanders didnt speak about Clinton nor did the question have anything to do with her..
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

... so in context Sanders went away from Obama in a statement (not Clinton) but it looks like this is what he's been doing for some time.

Obama is liked in some of the base and beloved in a good portion of the other part... I'm wondering what did Sanders expect?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. I think if you sat down with Obama and he was able to speak freely....
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:36 PM
Feb 2016

I'm pretty sure he'd agree that a course correction was needed. He is honest enough to admit his own mistakes. he has already said it without actually saying it.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
10. A course correction away from GOP policies not on his legacy which the question was about...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

... it was clear.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/sanders--we-must-break-with-obama-biden-549075011848

Couched in some praise is the very clear "course correction" statement

Also, people look at what Sanders has said over the years... not just one sit down about Obama.

At times it seems personal

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. It is possible to support a president and agree with him on much, but also have disagreements
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

If that seems personal to you, then nothing I can say to convince you otherwise.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
12. At the end of the day it looks like Sanders is running counter to the DNC base which is mostly..
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

... minorities voters.

This seems like a big miscalculation by his staff on where the democratic party is at

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
13. What else does your crystal ball say?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

Can you give me the super lotto winning numbers?
I'll split it with ya!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. If I had those kinds of powers we could both join the 1 percent with the winnings
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

But I'm just doing what we all do here -- spouting off my own opinions and hunches.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
14. No: I refuse to play that game again.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

GOP terms are completely flawed, and any Democrat willing to play the game on their terms is a Democrat ready to make me lose. I will therefore not support that Democrat.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
19. The only plus will be that I won't have to watch any of it if Bernie is not the nominee.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

I'll be taking my first vacation away from politics in many years. Might as well take time to enjoy the planet while it still exists while knowing that whoever wins won't do squat to save it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. I've been dealing with that emotional dilemma myself
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

As a politics junkie, the thought of detaching myself from caring about the outcome is kind of traumatic.

But I really will have a hard time caring if all of the potential dynamism reverts to the same old template of nothing/bad and the alternative of GOP worse.

So I'm preparing myself to try and go through a Politics Apathy Program, because I really won;t give a shit. otehr than to report for duty in November and hope that at least we can plug the dike.

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