2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Bernie doesn't take it, be prepared for an election fought on GOP terms....yet again
This election is a chance for the Democratic Party to make a meaningful change in a better direction.
The GOP will, as usual, be proactive in pushing their awful agenda. Trump, Rubio or whomever they put up is going to be fighting to demonize and kill liberalism, advance the interest of their corporate backers and pander to their wingnut base.
If nominated, Bernie will fight and claw to defend and advance Democratic Liberal principles. He will not back down, and he will push to get the truth through to a large population.
If nominated, Clinton will return to form and ignore the the increasingly deteriorating Big Picture and run yet another tapioca campaign, with tepid convoluted plans to make life maybe slightly a little bit better for people. But she'll continue the pattern of letting Big Money and Big Power off the hook. She's just play the "politics as a team sport" template selling a holding action against the GOP, and nothing more.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... isn't that counter to what most of thet DNC base wants?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)A hot potato and pivots to the right of him.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... continue what he started.
I sounds like the DNC base wants that more than a course correction.
It would be political suicide to distance herself from him at any time
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's just that she'll pivot to where ever she needs to be and that isn't a good thing.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)The DNC under DWS has handed offices at every level of government to increasingly terrible Republicans by clinging to the corporate funders who dictate the terms of debate.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I think the real base wants to continue Obama's legacy and build on it, and give it more oomph to beat back the GOP and accomplish the liberal/progressive side of Obama's agenda.
That does require some corse correction away from the Clinton Corporate Consrvative aspect of the Democratic Party.
I would say at least half of the Clinton voters are doing so without much enthusiasm. They prefer Bernie's agenda and values, but they're worried about the GOP.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... so in context Sanders went away from Obama in a statement (not Clinton) but it looks like this is what he's been doing for some time.
Obama is liked in some of the base and beloved in a good portion of the other part... I'm wondering what did Sanders expect?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I'm pretty sure he'd agree that a course correction was needed. He is honest enough to admit his own mistakes. he has already said it without actually saying it.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... it was clear.
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/sanders--we-must-break-with-obama-biden-549075011848
Couched in some praise is the very clear "course correction" statement
Also, people look at what Sanders has said over the years... not just one sit down about Obama.
At times it seems personal
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If that seems personal to you, then nothing I can say to convince you otherwise.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... minorities voters.
This seems like a big miscalculation by his staff on where the democratic party is at
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)is past behavior.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Can you give me the super lotto winning numbers?
I'll split it with ya!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I'm just doing what we all do here -- spouting off my own opinions and hunches.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)GOP terms are completely flawed, and any Democrat willing to play the game on their terms is a Democrat ready to make me lose. I will therefore not support that Democrat.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)msongs
(67,401 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I'll be taking my first vacation away from politics in many years. Might as well take time to enjoy the planet while it still exists while knowing that whoever wins won't do squat to save it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)As a politics junkie, the thought of detaching myself from caring about the outcome is kind of traumatic.
But I really will have a hard time caring if all of the potential dynamism reverts to the same old template of nothing/bad and the alternative of GOP worse.
So I'm preparing myself to try and go through a Politics Apathy Program, because I really won;t give a shit. otehr than to report for duty in November and hope that at least we can plug the dike.