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Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:23 AM Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton, campaign bully...

Now her campaign is telling voters that Sanders would lose in the general election and damage the prospects of Democrats in congressional and gubernatorial races around the country because America hates socialists. There is nothing to support this claim. Nearly all polls to date indicate that Sanders would do better than Clinton in the general election if his opponent is Donald Trump, and recent polls indicate that he would outperform her against Sen. Ted Cruz as well. She is too young to have many memories of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, but she is surely conversant with his legacy. Evidently she hears no ugly echoes in comments like this gem from Clinton ally and Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon: “Here in the heartland, we like our politicians in the mainstream, and [Sanders] is not. He’s a socialist.”

“What’s alarming about Clinton’s shady tactics is that she seems to believe her ends always justify her means.”

Never mind that Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist and his views place him squarely in the mainstream. If Clinton is as eager as she claims to attract millennials to her campaign, she might want to consider the fact that 18-to-29-year-olds have a more favorable view of socialism than of capitalism. She can trot out as many TV showrunners and 23-year-old Disney escapees as she can scare up, but it’s not going to help her much. Lena Dunham’s millennial-bait interview with Clinton revealed little about the candidate’s convictions, aside from an affirmation that Clinton is a feminist who believes student loans should have lower interest rates. (Sanders thinks college should be free.) Even young people care more about policy positions than pop stars.

The Clinton campaign hit a new low in 2016 when Clinton ally and confirmed liar David Brock told The Associated Press that Sanders’ latest ad makes it seem as if “black lives don’t matter much to Bernie Sanders.” It’s not surprising that Brock — who is best known for, back in his archconservative days, viciously smearing Anita Hill during the 1991 Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings — doesn’t know the difference between advocacy and pandering. But let’s pretend for a moment that counting the number of black faces in a political ad is a fair and reasonable way of assessing a candidate’s commitment to defending black lives.

Even by this dubious standard, Clinton fares no better than Sanders. By the more rational standard of taking candidates at their word, both Clinton and Sanders believe that black lives matter. But unlike Clinton — who came late to her critique of private prisons, has made no pledge to reform unjust marijuana laws and supports the death penalty — Sanders has consistently put forth policies that reflect that belief.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/1/hillary-clinton-campaign-bully.html
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Hillary Clinton, campaign bully... (Original Post) Bubzer Feb 2016 OP
She is pissing in her own Cheerios. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #1
Supporting regime change against Assad jfern Feb 2016 #2
her foreign policy catastrophes are scary! Libya & Syria in chaos, ISIS, 1000s of refugees homeles amborin Feb 2016 #4
actually they are obama's foreign policyt nt msongs Feb 2016 #5
She takes credit for most of it. n/t That Guy 888 Feb 2016 #12
Bernie voted for regime change in Libya. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #19
what vote? virtualobserver Feb 2016 #26
Nope! Try again. jeff47 Feb 2016 #41
Her fans like her toughness. But she is tough on the 99% and soft on Wall Street. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #3
A lot of her fans are too though. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #18
She disgusts me. AzDar Feb 2016 #6
So.once again, Hillary is blamed for what anyone says that the BS supporters don't like. nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #7
Did you read the article in the OP passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #9
I doubt the the poster read the article, that's why it's just a knee-jerk defense That Guy 888 Feb 2016 #13
Unsurprisingly, its a new account started around january 12. Bubzer Feb 2016 #17
It's obvious you did not read the article, your response is free of content and all about other Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #32
So True...So Right LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #8
And it is truly mindboggling that she deliberately chose a man of this caliber to work on her Samantha Feb 2016 #10
You will never see her on the high road. peace13 Feb 2016 #28
Hillary Will Never See My Vote chwaliszewski Feb 2016 #11
So, you'd rather the oppressed be governed by racists? Onlooker Feb 2016 #16
Sorry, but "I'm not Donald Trump" is not a valid platform Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #29
There are real consequences ... Onlooker Feb 2016 #36
Yep. So perhaps blackmail is not the best way to avoid those consequences. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #42
I agree with your first statement... chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #43
If that upsets you guys BainsBane Feb 2016 #14
No one expects the GOP to play fair passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #15
It was hillary who attacked Obama during the 2008 election, for attacking a fellow dem. Bubzer Feb 2016 #21
Yeah,this is small potatoes by any metric. nt sufrommich Feb 2016 #22
Somebody has a mad. sufrommich Feb 2016 #20
If you can't figure it out, you probably shouldn't be on this site. Bubzer Feb 2016 #23
Right. sufrommich Feb 2016 #24
No, seriously... the information's in the article. Took me like 3 seconds to find it. Bubzer Feb 2016 #25
Many of the Hillary boosters do not read the content, they just type unconnected snark. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #34
Right. Hunt and peck for somthing that they can pick on. Bubzer Feb 2016 #40
She did it in2008 as well. peace13 Feb 2016 #27
Mom! 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #30
So you endorse bullying behavior? Bubzer Feb 2016 #31
No, I oppose Sanders. 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #37
Ahh...so you're in favor of bullying if it's against Sanders. Typical. Bubzer Feb 2016 #39
If she loses the GE she has no one to blame but herself and her sleazy Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #33
Wanna see bullying? Watch Susan Sarandon bully Dolores Huerta. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #35
She's Kissinger's protege. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #38

jfern

(5,204 posts)
2. Supporting regime change against Assad
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

when Assad is fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS is not mainstream at all. Hillary's foreign policy is reckless, while Bernie has much better foreign policy. That's why Gabbard, who is certainly no socialist, just endorsed him.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
4. her foreign policy catastrophes are scary! Libya & Syria in chaos, ISIS, 1000s of refugees homeles
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:47 AM
Feb 2016

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
9. Did you read the article in the OP
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:42 AM
Feb 2016

Here are the things said or done by her campaign people and/or herself...not just random people

Clinton staffers circulated a photo of Obama in African dress

Her campaign’s New Hampshire co-chairman, Bill Shaheen, resigned in 2008 after raising questions about Obama’s teenage drug use

Mark Penn, Clinton’s chief campaign strategist early in her 2008 run, advised the campaign in a 2007 memo to emphasize Obama’s “lack of American roots.

she dispatched her daughter to frighten voters with the specter of a Sanders health care plan that would strip low-income people of Medicaid

her campaign is telling voters that Sanders would lose in the general election and damage the prospects of Democrats in congressional and gubernatorial races around the country because America hates socialists.

David Brock told The Associated Press that Sanders’ latest ad makes it seem as if “black lives don’t matter much to Bernie Sanders

So far, the worst the Sanders campaign has said about Clinton is that she has accepted obscenely high speaking fees from Goldman Sachs (she has) and should be ashamed of her affiliation with Brock (she should be).

And to Sander's statement, I will add, her decision about the Iraq war.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
13. I doubt the the poster read the article, that's why it's just a knee-jerk defense
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 04:57 AM
Feb 2016

with no specific details about what is wrong in the article.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
17. Unsurprisingly, its a new account started around january 12.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

There's oddly a whole host of accounts that started on that date. Might just be coincidental.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
32. It's obvious you did not read the article, your response is free of content and all about other
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

people whom you criticize for not agreeing with you. It's not good work, it makes Hillary look worse. You show up here and post crap like that which has no connection to the topic at all. Yesterday I read an OP that was Clinton positive, and said this:
"Clinton was the first presidential candidate to release a comprehensive plan to address the prescription drug and heroin crisis, including $10 billion in funding to expand treatment and recovery services, according to a prepared statement released by Markey's office."

The Clinton 'supporter' who responded said this:
"An issue important to Americans, we pay higher drug prices than any other country."

I have to assume that poster is not actually complaining about the high price of heroin in the US and that the poster simply did not read the article at all. It looks bad.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
8. So True...So Right
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:35 AM
Feb 2016

The Treatment of Attorney at Law Anita Hill was DISGUSTING by David Brock. Now he is her chief capital media advisor running the Clinton Media Team at Blue Nation Review, Media Matters and more.

So what should voters think about Hillary as a result...How about NOT MUCH....




"But Blinded by the Right offers plenty of evidence that for Brock, lying has been a lifelong habit. During his freshman year at Berkeley, when Brock was still a Naderite liberal, he lied to a man named Andrew, who would become his lover, about the fact that he was adopted. Andrew didn't learn the truth until after he and Brock had lived together many years. While campaigning to be editor in chief of the Daily Cal at Berkeley, Brock was "caught in an embarrassing lie" about an editor he didn't like.

He told the Daily Cal's outgoing editor in chief that the university's vice chancellor had phoned to complain about a story that the enemy editor had presumably mangled. It wasn't true, and Brock got caught. By this time Brock had drifted right, but he offers no evidence that this particular conflict had any ideological content.

Years later, Brock leaked his American Spectator piece about Troopergate to CNN, contrary to orders from his editors, who were enforcing an embargo on it. "When confronted, I came up with a clearly implausible lie," Brock confesses. Surely lying to one's comrades wasn't part of the conservative movement's playbook. The further one gets into Brock's book, the more one starts to suspect that Brock wasn't a liar for any larger cause, but simply … a liar."


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/03/david_brock_liar.html

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
10. And it is truly mindboggling that she deliberately chose a man of this caliber to work on her
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:56 AM
Feb 2016

2016 campaign. Mark Penn as well.

She has taken George W. Bush*s approach -- win at all costs.

Sam

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
28. You will never see her on the high road.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

Always the low road with her supporters justifying her actions!

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
16. So, you'd rather the oppressed be governed by racists?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 05:38 AM
Feb 2016

I can't comprehend how someone who claims to be progressive (and maybe you don't, I don't know) could consider allowing a clear racist into office. Trump is running on fundamentally a white-rights platform while Clinton has huge support from people of color. Maybe you think people of color are all idiots, but I would think that a progressive would ultimately have to respect the voice of the oppressed. But, then again, maybe you like Bernie, not only for his left wing politics, but also because he's white and male. I have no idea what your reasons are. Bernie has my vote, but there's no question I will do everything I can to stop a fascist like Trump from being president. It's worth keeping in mind that Hitler became Chancellor of Germany because the left and moderates refused to join forces.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
29. Sorry, but "I'm not Donald Trump" is not a valid platform
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

If you want my vote, earn it with true progressive values. You don't get my vote because you feel there aren't any other choices for me.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
36. There are real consequences ...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:29 AM
Feb 2016

.. The right wing, with its control of Congress, will cut aid to the poor, try to reduce gay rights, cut what little funding their is for college grants, reduce food stamps, further crack down on affirmative action, do nothing about climate change, and of course appoint a Supreme Court justice that will more than likely restrict the rights of of left, just as the right wing has done with labor unions over the years. Perhaps you are not part of one of the affected groups, so don't really care, but then how can you call yourself a progressive. Further, the fact is that progressive movements tend to rise up during Democratic administrations, not Republican ones.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
43. I agree with your first statement...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:05 AM
Mar 2016

"you don't know" as in 'anything about my political beliefs'. Allow me to enlighten you. First of all, I do consider myself a progressive, just as I consider Bernie to be one. I do not consider Hillary to be, though. I find her to be in line with moderate republicans and as such, her stances do not align with mine. In other words, I owe her nothing. If she wants my vote, she must earn it and not just obtain it by default because otherwise, 4th Reich. Oh, Noes!!!!11!!! I live in WA state so it's highly unlikely my bluest of blue states is going to elect Donald Drumpf.

Besides, you lost me at Hitler; Godwin's Law, you know.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
14. If that upsets you guys
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 05:04 AM
Feb 2016

You really aren't ready to face off against the GOP.

Even if Clinton made that comment, it hardly rates as bullying. The point is an obvious one to anyone who knows anything about this country, and it doesn't approach the things Sandes says about Clinton all the time.

I'll file this under not ready for prime time.
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I personally would love to see true socialist equality, but most Sanders supporters wouldn't go for it since it would mean they would have less wealth, not more. In some cases a lot less. I also know enough about US history, politics, and the constitution to know that will never happen. Of course what Sanders is proposing isn't socialist at all, but since he calls himself socialist, he brings that association upon himself.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
15. No one expects the GOP to play fair
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 05:15 AM
Feb 2016

But that doesn't mean that Dems should act like the GOP. IF you think that is copacetic...you just don't know what it means to be a Dem with integrity.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
21. It was hillary who attacked Obama during the 2008 election, for attacking a fellow dem.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:21 AM
Feb 2016

If hypocrisy is the name of the game, then I sure as hell don't want her in office... thanks.

"it doesn't approach the things Sanders says about Clinton all the time" - Bullshit. Total and utter. You're projecting here. Nothing more. Rather, it should read: "it doesn't approach the things Hillary says about Sanders, all the time"

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
20. Somebody has a mad.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:21 AM
Feb 2016

"she can trot out as many TV showrunners and 23-year-old Disney escapees" What does this even mean?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. Many of the Hillary boosters do not read the content, they just type unconnected snark.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:26 AM
Feb 2016

It's very entertaining.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
40. Right. Hunt and peck for somthing that they can pick on.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

Ignore that their complaint is explained away in the OP.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
33. If she loses the GE she has no one to blame but herself and her sleazy
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

Campaign tactics. Every time she opens her mouth to lie or mislead, every time one of her surrogates is trotted out to lie or mislead, my evolve to not vote for her strengthens.

Keep it up Hill. If Trump wins, it's not because Democrats like me skip over your name. It's because you are a lousy candidate running a lousy campaign.

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