2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton, campaign bully...
Whats alarming about Clintons shady tactics is that she seems to believe her ends always justify her means.
Never mind that Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist and his views place him squarely in the mainstream. If Clinton is as eager as she claims to attract millennials to her campaign, she might want to consider the fact that 18-to-29-year-olds have a more favorable view of socialism than of capitalism. She can trot out as many TV showrunners and 23-year-old Disney escapees as she can scare up, but its not going to help her much. Lena Dunhams millennial-bait interview with Clinton revealed little about the candidates convictions, aside from an affirmation that Clinton is a feminist who believes student loans should have lower interest rates. (Sanders thinks college should be free.) Even young people care more about policy positions than pop stars.
The Clinton campaign hit a new low in 2016 when Clinton ally and confirmed liar David Brock told The Associated Press that Sanders latest ad makes it seem as if black lives dont matter much to Bernie Sanders. Its not surprising that Brock who is best known for, back in his archconservative days, viciously smearing Anita Hill during the 1991 Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings doesnt know the difference between advocacy and pandering. But lets pretend for a moment that counting the number of black faces in a political ad is a fair and reasonable way of assessing a candidates commitment to defending black lives.
Even by this dubious standard, Clinton fares no better than Sanders. By the more rational standard of taking candidates at their word, both Clinton and Sanders believe that black lives matter. But unlike Clinton who came late to her critique of private prisons, has made no pledge to reform unjust marijuana laws and supports the death penalty Sanders has consistently put forth policies that reflect that belief.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/1/hillary-clinton-campaign-bully.html
onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)when Assad is fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS is not mainstream at all. Hillary's foreign policy is reckless, while Bernie has much better foreign policy. That's why Gabbard, who is certainly no socialist, just endorsed him.
amborin
(16,631 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)There was no bill in Congress for bombing Libya.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)I just put another one on ignore that repeatedly does just that.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Here are the things said or done by her campaign people and/or herself...not just random people
Clinton staffers circulated a photo of Obama in African dress
Her campaigns New Hampshire co-chairman, Bill Shaheen, resigned in 2008 after raising questions about Obamas teenage drug use
Mark Penn, Clintons chief campaign strategist early in her 2008 run, advised the campaign in a 2007 memo to emphasize Obamas lack of American roots.
she dispatched her daughter to frighten voters with the specter of a Sanders health care plan that would strip low-income people of Medicaid
her campaign is telling voters that Sanders would lose in the general election and damage the prospects of Democrats in congressional and gubernatorial races around the country because America hates socialists.
David Brock told The Associated Press that Sanders latest ad makes it seem as if black lives dont matter much to Bernie Sanders
So far, the worst the Sanders campaign has said about Clinton is that she has accepted obscenely high speaking fees from Goldman Sachs (she has) and should be ashamed of her affiliation with Brock (she should be).
And to Sander's statement, I will add, her decision about the Iraq war.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)with no specific details about what is wrong in the article.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)There's oddly a whole host of accounts that started on that date. Might just be coincidental.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)people whom you criticize for not agreeing with you. It's not good work, it makes Hillary look worse. You show up here and post crap like that which has no connection to the topic at all. Yesterday I read an OP that was Clinton positive, and said this:
"Clinton was the first presidential candidate to release a comprehensive plan to address the prescription drug and heroin crisis, including $10 billion in funding to expand treatment and recovery services, according to a prepared statement released by Markey's office."
The Clinton 'supporter' who responded said this:
"An issue important to Americans, we pay higher drug prices than any other country."
I have to assume that poster is not actually complaining about the high price of heroin in the US and that the poster simply did not read the article at all. It looks bad.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The Treatment of Attorney at Law Anita Hill was DISGUSTING by David Brock. Now he is her chief capital media advisor running the Clinton Media Team at Blue Nation Review, Media Matters and more.
So what should voters think about Hillary as a result...How about NOT MUCH....
He told the Daily Cal's outgoing editor in chief that the university's vice chancellor had phoned to complain about a story that the enemy editor had presumably mangled. It wasn't true, and Brock got caught. By this time Brock had drifted right, but he offers no evidence that this particular conflict had any ideological content.
Years later, Brock leaked his American Spectator piece about Troopergate to CNN, contrary to orders from his editors, who were enforcing an embargo on it. "When confronted, I came up with a clearly implausible lie," Brock confesses. Surely lying to one's comrades wasn't part of the conservative movement's playbook. The further one gets into Brock's book, the more one starts to suspect that Brock wasn't a liar for any larger cause, but simply a liar."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/03/david_brock_liar.html
Samantha
(9,314 posts)2016 campaign. Mark Penn as well.
She has taken George W. Bush*s approach -- win at all costs.
Sam
peace13
(11,076 posts)Always the low road with her supporters justifying her actions!
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Writing-in Bernie in Nov. That is, unless he gets the nomination.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)I can't comprehend how someone who claims to be progressive (and maybe you don't, I don't know) could consider allowing a clear racist into office. Trump is running on fundamentally a white-rights platform while Clinton has huge support from people of color. Maybe you think people of color are all idiots, but I would think that a progressive would ultimately have to respect the voice of the oppressed. But, then again, maybe you like Bernie, not only for his left wing politics, but also because he's white and male. I have no idea what your reasons are. Bernie has my vote, but there's no question I will do everything I can to stop a fascist like Trump from being president. It's worth keeping in mind that Hitler became Chancellor of Germany because the left and moderates refused to join forces.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)If you want my vote, earn it with true progressive values. You don't get my vote because you feel there aren't any other choices for me.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts).. The right wing, with its control of Congress, will cut aid to the poor, try to reduce gay rights, cut what little funding their is for college grants, reduce food stamps, further crack down on affirmative action, do nothing about climate change, and of course appoint a Supreme Court justice that will more than likely restrict the rights of of left, just as the right wing has done with labor unions over the years. Perhaps you are not part of one of the affected groups, so don't really care, but then how can you call yourself a progressive. Further, the fact is that progressive movements tend to rise up during Democratic administrations, not Republican ones.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)"you don't know" as in 'anything about my political beliefs'. Allow me to enlighten you. First of all, I do consider myself a progressive, just as I consider Bernie to be one. I do not consider Hillary to be, though. I find her to be in line with moderate republicans and as such, her stances do not align with mine. In other words, I owe her nothing. If she wants my vote, she must earn it and not just obtain it by default because otherwise, 4th Reich. Oh, Noes!!!!11!!! I live in WA state so it's highly unlikely my bluest of blue states is going to elect Donald Drumpf.
Besides, you lost me at Hitler; Godwin's Law, you know.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)You really aren't ready to face off against the GOP.
Even if Clinton made that comment, it hardly rates as bullying. The point is an obvious one to anyone who knows anything about this country, and it doesn't approach the things Sandes says about Clinton all the time.
I'll file this under not ready for prime time.
-----
I personally would love to see true socialist equality, but most Sanders supporters wouldn't go for it since it would mean they would have less wealth, not more. In some cases a lot less. I also know enough about US history, politics, and the constitution to know that will never happen. Of course what Sanders is proposing isn't socialist at all, but since he calls himself socialist, he brings that association upon himself.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But that doesn't mean that Dems should act like the GOP. IF you think that is copacetic...you just don't know what it means to be a Dem with integrity.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)If hypocrisy is the name of the game, then I sure as hell don't want her in office... thanks.
"it doesn't approach the things Sanders says about Clinton all the time" - Bullshit. Total and utter. You're projecting here. Nothing more. Rather, it should read: "it doesn't approach the things Hillary says about Sanders, all the time"
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)"she can trot out as many TV showrunners and 23-year-old Disney escapees" What does this even mean?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's very entertaining.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Ignore that their complaint is explained away in the OP.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Threw Obama under the bus at very chance.
That girl is picking on me!!!
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)Campaign tactics. Every time she opens her mouth to lie or mislead, every time one of her surrogates is trotted out to lie or mislead, my evolve to not vote for her strengthens.
Keep it up Hill. If Trump wins, it's not because Democrats like me skip over your name. It's because you are a lousy candidate running a lousy campaign.
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)We didn't know who the Clintons were when he was elected before. Now we do know.