2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDear Bernie, please let it fly.
These past weeks you have had Democratic colleagues slander you, mock you, even declare open revolt on the principles that the Democratic Party used to, and you still do, champion.
All to preserve their established candidate and their own asses.
Your opponent has questioned your integrity, while stealing your platform and dismissing you.
My plea to you is, if you are at all holding back to "preserve" Hillary or the Democratic Party for the General Election, please don't. It won't make a difference anyway, you wouldn't be highlighting anything that we and the Republicans don't already know.
You are the last hope for this election, this party, hell, maybe even this country. They have no intention of doing anything for 'we the people' after this election. You know that. That's why you're here.
So, let 'em have it. Let it fly. If for no other reason than to ignite a flame of hope that may continue to smolder.
Bern it down. There's nothing to save here.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)would never "bern it down" that's not his style....
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)That's my plea.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Either in terms of style or substance. He has said more than once that whatever his differences with Clinton, she is a millions times better than any of the GOP candidates.
Once he loses, he will give her a full-throated endorsement.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)She will not win against Trump. She's lost a lot of support just these few months. They think they can say anything about us and we'll be there to vote for her. We won't. They'll blame us because they gave us a flawed candidate and we didn't vote for her.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)you know what they say...denial is not a river in Egypt...enjoy your denial you are buying the beer in november, (whether you go out to vote or not) if you stay home no one cares.... try to remember what tom hanks said "there's no crying in baseball"...you should not take it as personal humiliation...Bernie is a good guy....
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Or what's left of it.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)what is it that you think the dems need saving from?
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...between the Democratic and Republican parties.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Or what's left of it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... of things that we should do their bidding on instead of working towards a solution that could bring back some degree of stability on all fronts in the world.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)She's a neocon who, two days ago, was endorsed by Robert Kagan--the founder of the neocon movement. It's frightening.
I don't think anyone is in denial here. I know the weight of these losses. However, we still have Super Tuesday and after Super Tuesday there are plenty of states that are very Bernie-friendly, in the same way that NH was Bernie-friendly and SC was Hillary-friendly. So, there's still plenty of race remaining.
No one is crying or humiliated. However, I do find Hillary very disconcerting. It's not personal. It's her politics.
And consider yourself lucky, that when your candidate of choice has won (or is leading in the delegate count) that you can rest easy knowing that her opponent is "a good guy" as you said. Must be nice.
Because I don't think Hillary is a "nice guy." The fact that she's owned by Wall Street is disconcerting. The fact that she won't release her own words that she said to Goldman Sachs--leaves me uneasy. The fact that in 08 she campaigned as someone who was "sorry" for her Iraq War vote, then went on to destabilize Libya and call for arming the Syrian rebels--is alarming. Syria and Libya are two of the countries that the neocons planned to dominate--as far back as 1996.
You say that if we stay home, "no one cares." Really? How in the world is your candidate going to be elected without half of the Democratic party?
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Hillary is the worst type of deciever.
Whereas the rethug have their base so bamboozled and propogandized that what they are proposing is the best for America, and in reality will harm millions and further enrich the 1%, at least they say what they mean.
Hillary, on the other hand, assumes the positions of her populist challenger and pretends to be progressive, saying all the right words and promoting all the right positions, but has no intention on making good on her word.
I don't believe a single word that comes out of her mouth.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Exactly. I truly do find myself wondering what would do more harm; 4 years of the Democratic candidate or 4 years of the (protectionist, less war hawkish) Republican candidate.
I should not be having to wonder that about a Democratic candidate.
Milliesmom
(493 posts)After all Hillary's supporters are doing it to Bernie , her daughter, her husband, the DNC, Mr. Lewis, and here on DU, just about everywhere we look. Main stream media shills, such as Matthews, people need to rise up and protest the media blackout and name names, if nothing else shame them.
After all if we lose this we are done, we better fight like our lives, our children's and grandchildren's lives depends on it, as they do!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... been voting in primaries.
THE GREAT AWAKENING is all of us... the ones who haven't quite gotten it for a while. Help these people understand issues that they have previously not.
That's how we preserve our own asses!
brooklynite
(94,553 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)DOMAcrat logic.
brooklynite
(94,553 posts)...like Bernie Sanders evolving on gun control.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)The problem with Hillary is she sees no distinction between the two. She has no "core".
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)style. Obama took it to Hillary and called Hillary and Bill out on their bullshit but I don't know if Bernie will do the same.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...you cannot counter them with anything else.
I won't fault him for it, but that will be the end of it. I wonder if he truly appreciates that he is the best chance we have against Trump?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)what you are saying and I don't know how he can control himself. I really don't think anyone would blame him after what he has had to endure these last few weeks. If he is going to do it he better start tomorrow.
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)...and he's coming up empty.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Wow. You might want to sit down during the General Election then, if Bernie doesn't pull this off. Going to be a bit of a shock for you.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)till the GE if Hillary makes it
jg10003
(976 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Speak the Truth and let the flotsam float where it may.
Make us happy by speaking for us.
jillan
(39,451 posts)bern away.
jalan48
(13,865 posts)If we choose not to take it we are asking for a violent one. Things aren't ok for most Americans and incremental Wall St. fixes and big trade agreements won't appease the masses in the coming years.
This is the most bizarre Democratic primary I have ever witnessed. We have (arguably) the most disliked candidate in modern history, running against the (arguably) most beloved candidate in modern history. Why is this not a runaway election?
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)And it is a very frightening proposition.
Milliesmom
(493 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)You have my 100% permission to do with this post as you see fit, however.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)All Bernie Has To Do Is Place No Water On The Fire.....
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)And it also comes down to us, individually, to not throw our bucket of water on that fire.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Ok. let it. Watch out for that boomerang.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Sanders has been going EZ on her.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)he has much more to attack than she does. Plus he has already lost the latino community in a big way. African Americans are not going to vote for him. He can't run up the white vote enough to beat her.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)It'll be significantly less this year for Clinton.( or whomever.)
Point: Trump doesn't need AA's.
Women ( i.e. feminists) lgbts, AAs and Hispanics figure prominently in DU discussion, but the real world is something else entirely.
2. Clinton has more areas of vulnerability than any presidential candidate we (DEMs) have ever run.
Trump is an expert on exploiting vulnerabilities.
It'll be entertaining. But not in a good way.
Califonz
(465 posts)Television is mostly used by low-information, low-literacy voters to obtain information.
Regardless of how he gets his message out, the focus should be on the low-information voters he needs to win to his side.
Unfortunately that takes A LOT of money.
The primary schedule has been tailor-made by the DNC to try to sink any candidates other than the DNC's well-funded corporate-friendly candidate, none other than HRC.
I think the "air war" is more important than the "ground war" at this stage of the contest.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Hard not to see that it has involved into niches, some including a lot of heat. Professional wrestling and reality TV, for example. I hear the WWE is running a candidate?
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Speak your truth, not that truth that the people who demean your name demand you speak. Excoriate them as the losers that they are.
I'll be voting for the party nominee in November. I hope its Hillary Clinton.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Do it Bernie!
elmac
(4,642 posts)If you want a revolution you have got to start a revolution and revolutions aren't pretty. Time for him to get revoluting!
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)Go Bernie Sanders!
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)1) Mocking the use of the term "revolution" as being either a radical or
childish notion. Not to mention the eye-rolling use of the label, "Socialist".
People like Chris Matthews willfully distort the meaning and the context, and
play the game of acting intentionally obtuse and making literal interpretations.
2) Bernie does not have a "diverse" following (i.e. He appeals only to white
people.)
This is subliminal messaging for "Minorities don't like him." which then leads to
"Minorities don't like him because they smell racism and don't trust him." And
this was spawned from the one comment he made that "ALL lives matter"
when he was asked about BLM movement. A comment made to be all-inclusive
was falsely characterized as insensitivity to minorities.
Which of Bernie's stated positions on the issues do Hillary-supporters, women,
minorities, or progressives denounce?
How does she better represent liberal, progressive values?
These memes are killing Bernie's chances. Political campaigns in the U.S. have been
reduced to finding (or manufacturing) the one or two negatives about your opponent
which can be beaten into the dirt and thereby falsely define him/her.
Examples:
John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a fake war hero.
Bernie Sanders is making empty promises and lacks broad appeal.
Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy and a corporate shill.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I wouldn't say just shill, though. She's more a board member.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Hillary Clinton on Tuesday told a crowd at a black church near where the police killing of an unarmed teen propelled the "Black Lives Matter" movement that "all lives matter."
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)The press, and anyone running against him, grabbed on to it like a dog with a bone.
They used it to make him appear as though he did not care about black lives, and
that he was attempting to duck the issue of the lethal use of force by police against
minorities. It was a talking-point for weeks.
I may be wrong, but this meme had its genesis somewhere.
Here is a link to Time magazine article from August 2015:
http://time.com/3996001/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter/
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)response to BLM. In a debate still in the O'Malley-Webb-Fratboy era, the question was asked, do black lives matter? And his response was immediate to repeat it. But maybe you're thinking of another case?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)in connection with black lives matter. At least I have not seen any quote from Bernie of that sort.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Why? Why, you ask???
Because we DO; that's why!!!!
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This remains my plea to his campaign if he wants to win in MI.
Draw a contrast. Let MI voters know what they're REALLY getting with Clinton.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts):kick: