Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton should stop playing ‘the female victim card’

[kgnu_fan]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/susan-sarandon-hillary-clinton-should-stop-playing-the-female-victim-card/

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Was watching MSNBC at lunch and Hillary was going on the offensive about

something with Bernie, dont recall what.

And I am uncomfortable with how excited she gets in her voice when she feels she has him on something, the discomfort comes from my not really believing she is taking the position for any other reason than to try and make Bernie look bad.

I believe Hillary Clinton will make a far better president than any of the GOP, but I also believe she is a very typical politician and I dont have high opinions of those folks.

[kgnu_fan]

3. As I wrote elesewhere, Hilary is the surrogate candidate for old school Republicans because

GOP is taken over by nazi crazy heads. For old school Republican establishment (Wall Street/War Machine) with 1% status quo, Hilary is much more useful to their purpose.

[Matariki]

8. I think you are correct

They've abandoned the crazy party and taken over the Democratic party. We need to kick them to the curb

[Raster]

55. You are sooo right. The bat-shit crazy teapublicans are running the GOP into the ground...

...so the corporatists, the 1%ers and the third way technocrats are fleeing for friendlier (and saner) stomping grounds....and they've been welcomed with open arms...as long as they bring open checkbooks.

[bettyellen]

13. But the original plan was for Sanders to get republicans and indie voters?

It's kind of funny how it's shitty when someone else does it, huh? Although most posts say they hate her, so I don't know if many here agree with you.

[JonLeibowitz]

32. It is one thing to convince voters to vote for your values. Quite another to take over leadership

I hope a thoughtful person such as yourself can see the clear difference.

[hifiguy]

14. Succint and brutally accurate.

The institutional Democratic Party is now run and owned by the wealthy who couldn't stand the stink and sanctimony of the buybull bangers and the neo-Nazi element that have taken over the other party. So they bought the Dems from the Clintons and the DLC/Turd Way crowd, who were delighted to sell as long as all that beautiful, delicious corporate money went into THEIR pockets.

The Clintons are the worst thing that has ever happened to the Democratic Party.

[kgnu_fan]

15. Indeed. Sad things about Hilary is that I did not see how deeply corrupt she is until

Bernie came along to open the door for REAL potential of Democratic Party.

[hifiguy]

16. HRH is corrupt on a scale which invites, nay, DEMANDS

comparison to Richard Nixon in terms of the totality of her crookedness, slipperiness and utter insincerity. Mother of Dog.

And when you have to measure crookedness, slipperiness and insincerity in terms of Nixon Units, you have jumped an entire aquarium full of sharks.

[kgnu_fan]

17. In some ways, it is good that who she is revealed earlier than later.

[hifiguy]

18. She's a disaster of truly epic proportions waiting to happen in the GE.

She dismisses and alienates the entire left/liberal base, has zero appeal to independents, the disaffected and the Millennials. She will motivate the Repig base to do everything short of coming out of graves just to vote against her, which they have been waiting to do for 25 years. They are not gonna miss their chance.

She's a win-win for the Repigs - she depresses Dem turnout and maximizes theirs. She is the embodiment, even the avatar, of the self-dealing professional political/insider/corrupt class that people are sick to the teeth of.

Prepare for a Goldwater/McGovern style shellacking if it's Der Trumpenfuhrer for the Repigs.

[kgnu_fan]

19. K&R

[hifiguy]

20. Thanks. It is so blindingly obvious to anyone not enrolled in the

Personality Cult/Fan Club.

[kgnu_fan]

21. Sometime so obvious, in front of their nose, people do not see it

[Divernan]

45. Her epic loss will totally defeat down-ticket Dems around the country.

Because all those Republicans - and you're right - they'll get up off their deathbeds to vote against her - will vote straight ticket. And given how Clinton will depress voter turnout of the youth vote and independents, the Republicans will sweep the board, state after state, after state.

As a local Judge of Elections, I anticipate a record number (cough-shitload-cough) of absentee ballots from Republican voters at both the primary and general elections - my state's election requirements mean that I and another member of my team have to wait to process them until after the polls closed. They each come in a privacy envelope enclosed in a mail-in envelope. We have to open all the mail-in envelopes and then shuffle the privacy envelopes (so we have no inkling as to who mailed each in), then open the second set of envelopes, unfold and stack the write in ballots and then count and record all the votes on each ballot by hand, then add up to get the totals, and record them by hand on three other forms. That will add at least an hour to our normal wrap-up time. We anticipate a 19 hour day at both the primary and general elections.

[hifiguy]

47. It's as plain as the greasepaint moustache

on Groucho's face. Hindenburg/Titanic kind of disaster.

[senz]

61. That wasn't a real moustache?

[hifiguy]

69. Not in the classic movies

He grew a real one for "You Bet Your Life."

[Marr]

67. Yep. There's one limited demographic she's pegged:

Hillary fan club members. And that is not a big group.

Her fans here even acknowledge it every time they defend the party and business establishment protecting her and rigging everything they can, from Twitter to caucus registration, to shoehorn this corporate shill into place.

[hifiguy]

71. Identity Politics über alles.

They could put the Democratic party into a near-death situation. Because It's Her Turn.

[LuvLoogie]

22. Well you've kind of jumped the shark with that post.

"Mother of Dog"

Really?

You should go out and buy yourself a nice rootbeer float. Maybe take a walk.

[hifiguy]

23. You know little about corruption, apparently.

I've been an amateur Nixonologist for nearly 40 years and the parallels between Herself and the Trickster run to reams.

And I prefer good Irish whisky. Neat.

[LuvLoogie]

25. A good grappa is nice, too.

[dorkzilla]

29. Ew. Grappa. (shudders)

[LuvLoogie]

35. More for me!

[dorkzilla]

38. I would never deny someone their drink of choice

Apparently I'm an old woman because I LURVE me some aged tawny port. Love the stuff. No one else does. More for me!

My Italian neighbor told me to make sure I had some grappa when I was in Lake Como last year because it was especially good in that part of Italy. He knows I'm a major wino, so he thought I'd like it. I had the grappa. (shudder)

[hifiguy]

43. A well-aged port of distinction

is a supremely civilized way to finish a great meal. I'll even take it over a fine Sauternes.

[dorkzilla]

46. You know it!

Another reason why I love you.

[hifiguy]

49. If you're braver than you are sane

Try Marc de Bourgogne. Brandy made from the leavings of winemaking in Burgundy. Rocket fuel, which it DOES taste like, and I've been told it will strip the paint off of a car. Had one shot of it when I was in France back in '03 and I can believe it.

Burgundians also use it to wash the rinds of Epoisses cheese, which smells like feet but tastes divine.

[dorkzilla]

53. Leavings of winemaking sounds a little too much like grappa

(shudder).

But I'm not at all sane, so I will look for it. Stuff like that is generally easier to come by in England than here, so I'll poke around for it next week.

If I start PMing you shit that makes no sense you'll know I was successful.

[LuvLoogie]

44. I like a nice aged port, but rarely have it.

I rarely have spirits, too. I mostly drink beer, all kinds. Had some nice Belgians on tap in Madison on New Years weekend.

I got pneumonia a few weeks back, so I've been dry except for a couple glasses of wine since then. Gonna keep it up at least through lent, maybe summer.

Do you have a regular port you go to? I don't really know them enough to select a good one confidently.

[dorkzilla]

48. I've been partial to Taylor 20 year old

But I have to tell you - I have been a little "skint" of late so a couple of months back I decided to give COSTCO's 10 year old tawny a try. It's FRIGGIN' DELISH. I mean REALLY good, I was really surprised! Best yet? It's under $20. The Taylor is ~$50-60, at least in NY it is (we have higher than average taxes on booze here).

I used to drink a lot of beer but as I get older it just makes me bloat and feel like I just ate a small cow. I'm going to England and Ireland next week for about 12 days and a good part of that time will be spent in pubs with my family in both countries. I ASK, YOU WHAT CHOICE DO I HAVE BUT TO DRINK LOTS AND LOTS OF BEER????? Someone has to

Hope you're back to feeling better soon! I've only had pneumonia once but it SUCKED.

[LuvLoogie]

59. Oh I'm better now.

But I was sick for weeks before my wife made me go to the doctor. The wheezing and gurgling in my chest should have given me a clue. I could barely get up the stairs at work one morning, which was confounding how exhausted I felt until the doc called me later and told me the results of my chest xrays.

At any rate, I'll save up for the Taylor. My Costco card expired.

Enjoy your trip to the home lands! My wife is Scotch Irish et al and she's never been. So I have that on my places to take my DAR wife and daughters. That and Mexico (I'm second generation) where my daughters have never been. My wife and I got married in the little village my grandmother was from. There was a bottle of tequila at every table at our outdoor reception.

Please have a wonderful and safe trip, and forget about all our craziness here. Try to believe like President Obama in the sanity and goodness of the American people.

[dorkzilla]

66. It's good to be reminded of that...especially when Trump is the leading GOP candidate

And I am very thankful that when the Super Tuesday results come pouring back in, I will be sleeping warm and snug dreaming of walking around Poet's Corner in Westminster Abbey the following day. I've not been very well in the last year and I'm supposed to avoid stress so I'm looking forward to unplugging for a while.

My family in Europe are super-liberal so I fit right in. My Irish born mother has become SUPER conservative so most of the time I have to field questions about "what the hell happened to your mum?" and I can't even give them an answer. I love the perspective I get from going over there. It was a NIGHTMARE travelling there when Bush was President. Total strangers would come up to me and give me grief about him. Of course I agreed with them, but I was in a pub in London once when a fight very nearly broke out when one buffoon started his "you guys would be speaking German if it wasn't for us" shit that they seem to pull out of their posteriors when they have nothing intelligent to add. That's why I love it when they say "you're not a typical American!", and most of the time, strangers assume I'm Canadian.

If you do go to the British Isles, I can highly recommend going around this time of year. Its warmer there by about 10 degrees and its much cheaper - I'm flying into Heathrow and out of Dublin for about $500 and my hotel in London is under $100/night with VAT. London is SUPER expensive so this is an excellent deal.

Your wedding, by the way, sounded AWESOME!!! I'm heading off to the village my great great great grandma was born in and my cousins still live in, but I will have to content myself with some good Irish whiskey.

[autonomous]

58. anything from Warre's is good :)

[autonomous]

57. Question do you Love Loogies, or is your name dirtier than that?

[LuvLoogie]

68. Well, consider that a LuvLoogie is a noun.

I cracked the guy up at aol tech support (back in the dial up days) when he asked for my username I just spelled it for him.

[autonomous]

70. got it :-)

been lurking for months and wondering and finally i know! Being a kid with glasses, I was never a fan of wet willies, noogies, or loogies.

[LuvLoogie]

98. I gave my girlfriend a wet willie once...she still married me...

But I'll lose a finger if it ever happens again.

[grasswire]

26. I think Nixon was a puddy tat compared to the Clintons.

AFIK, he was not involved in the scale of corruption the Clintons have engineered with their Foundation and their money schemes.

[hifiguy]

41. As crooked as Nixon was you may well be right.

Not even Dick Nixon could have dreamed up something quite as supremely sleazy as big contributions to the Clinton slush fund, er, Foundation, as a delayed quid pro quo for approving weapons sales while Herself was SoS.

And Nixon had to do it in secret with bagmen delivering valises full of cash in empty parking ramps. Nowadays Goldman can back up the armored cars full of money to the super pac doors.

The Clintons rank among the most supreme grifters if all time. It's some sort if diSTINKtion, I guess

[grasswire]

42. yeah, I thought Bushco was bad.

They used a war the way the Clintons use the Foundation.

[Divernan]

51. He was never in it for personal wealth - down to $500 in the bank at 1 point

Following his resignation (August, 1974), the Nixons flew to their home La Casa Pacifica in San Clemente, California.[218] According to his biographer, Aitken, after his resignation, "Nixon was a soul in torment".[219] Congress had funded Nixon's transition costs, including some salary expenses, though reducing the appropriation from $850,000 to $200,000.

He was handicapped in this work by the end of his transition allowance in February, which compelled him to part with much of his staff, including Ziegler.[229] In August of 1975 , he met with British talk-show host and producer David Frost, who paid him $600,000 for a series of sit-down interviews, filmed and aired in 1977.[230] They began on the topic of foreign policy, recounting the leaders he had known, but the most remembered section of the interviews was that on Watergate. Nixon admitted that he had "let down the country" and that "I brought myself down. I gave them a sword and they stuck it in. And they twisted it with relish. And, I guess, if I'd been in their position, I'd have done the same thing."[231] The interviews garnered 45–50 million viewers—becoming the most-watched program of their kind in television history.[232]

The interviews helped improve Nixon's financial position—at one point in early 1975 he had only $500 in the bank—as did the sale of his Key Biscayne property to a trust set up by wealthy Nixon friends such as Bebe Rebozo.[233]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon

[senz]

73. Hard to believe it but he was nobler than the Clintons.

How did we as a country go so wrong?

[hifiguy]

85. We turned our party over to criminal grifters

I am as much to blame as anyone else. I voted for the rotten SOB twice.

[rwsanders]

54. I received the DNC survey (bait for donations), it asked the "Hardest Republican Candidate for...

the Dems to beat in 2016".

I put Hillary Clinton.

[840high]

76. You were far more

polite than I was.

[hifiguy]

2. No shit.

[nc4bo]

6. Whoa, but yeah. It's that way it looks to me too. nt

[CharlotteVale]

36. ...

[Nyan]

52. That iron mace should have Goldman Sachs and Walmart written on it.

That would make it a more accurate description.

[AtomicKitten]

83. My favorite 'toon from 2008.

[hifiguy]

86. It does hit the nail on the head,

doesn't it?

[pdsimdars]

4. BAM!!! Sarandon nails it again (as usual)

[forest444]

77. Hear, hear.

You know, I dare say that Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon probably feel the same way. I bet she really hams it up every time she hits them up for more money.

"I need some more, Daddy Goldbucks. Bernie Sanders made me have a sad!"

[Kokonoe]

5. How will she feel when a world power takes a verbal attack.

Will it be personal.

[grasswire]

27. she will tilt her face, narrow her eyes...

....and cackle if necessary.

"Nobody ever asked me that question before!"

[CharlotteVale]

34. LOL!

[Punkingal]

7. Good for Susan!

[farleftlib]

9. I love Susan

She's right, of course. If there is any woman who is absolutely not a victim, it's HRC.

I liked Susan's other points too. When Hillary was on the board at Walmart, what did she do? They treat women very badly in that company, they've been sued over their discriminatory practices. Hillary sat on the board and did nothing to help labor or women. To claim she's a victim is as bold and disgusting a lie as saying she was held under sniper fire in Bosnia.

[kgnu_fan]

11. Kick!

[stellanoir]

10. Just posted a great interview with S.S. from last night

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280127078

She's a fantastic spokesperson !

[kgnu_fan]

12. Kick!

[Beacool]

24. Meh, I don't care what Sarandon has to say about politics.

She's entitled to her opinion, but it sure as heck is not going to dissuade too many people.

[lunamagica]

28. Don't be like Susan...

[dorkzilla]

30. Suuuuure

[ms liberty]

39. Except Nader isn't responsible for *

Anton Scalia bears more responsibility than Nader.

[Amimnoch]

40. If it hadn't been for Nader, it would have never appeared before Scalia.

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Florida circa 2000:
Bush - 2,912,790
Gore - 2,912,253
Nader - 97,488

The ONLY reason it went before Scalia is due to the closeness and the recounts.

On edit, I wrote before really thinking. The response Rastor made below is spot on, and I was wrong to simplify and ignore all of the other injustices that happened at that time with regards to voter disenfranchisement.

[AlbertCat]

64. The ONLY reason it went before Scalia is due to the closeness and the recounts.

That.... and it was plan B if just stealing the election didn't work. Purging the voter registrations and hanging chads had nothing to do with it!

Actually, I think they would have gone to plan B with or without Nader.

[Raster]

65. Bullshit!!! What about the tens of thousands of lawful, legal voters removed from ....

... the Florida voter roles by Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris that specifically targeted Democratic-leaning minority precincts. You don't think they had anything to do with the Florida electoral debacle?

What about Florida Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, Co-Chairperson for the Committee to Elect Bush*/Cheney* in Florida, running the statewide campaign to elect Bush* from her Secretary of State Tallahassee office, and time and time again ruling every electoral nuance in Cheney*/Bush* favor... You don't think she had anything to do with the Florida electoral debacle?

What about the outright voter intimidation in Democratic Black and Hispanic precincts on election day by Florida State Police, encouraging minorities to "move along"... You don't think they had anything to with the Florida electoral debacle?

What about the notorious butterfly ballot - conceived by a Democrat-for-a-day County Clerk that allowed for over 3000 votes for rabid anti-semite Pat Buchanan in a predominately, elderly JEWISH precinct. Even Buchanan admitted there was most likely a mistake. You don't think that had anything to do with the Florida electoral debacle?

What about the notorious black box voting machines - manufactured by two staunchly republican-owned interests - that were designed to be non-paper trail verifiable, whose "secret operating code" was unavailable for neutral third-party inspection, that were actually witnessed by impartial observers over and over again switching votes from Albert Gore to George fucking Bush*... You don't think that had anything to do with the Florida election debacle?

And what do you think about the usually accurate as hell Exit Polls that showed Albert Gore handily beating George Bush? You don't think there was any problem there?

So seriously, you want to throw Florida 2000 at the feet of Susan Sarandon and Ralph Nader?

Everytime you or anyone else repeat the patently false and uberly dishonest bullshit meme that Florida 2000 was Nader's fault, you basically do the evil scumbag's work for them. You think long and hard about that.

"The ONLY reason it went before Scalia is due to the closeness and the recounts." YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE.

[hifiguy]

88. You're not supposed to remember

Any of that.

[Amimnoch]

90. edited the end of my post... You're right.

Although next time, you COULD consider being less of a fucking jackass about it.

It is perfectly okay to make a point, especially when you have a very good one to make without going to insults.

[Raster]

91. NO! WHENEVER ANYONE makes the same "Nader did it" or it's "Sarandon's Fault"...

Last edited Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:32 AM - Edit history (2)

...they will get the same reaction IN SPADES. We must NEVER forget what actually happened. We must NEVER allow any meme, thought or idea to survive that says anything other than the BFEE and their surrogates shot Democracy in the face and viciously assaulted eight years of all of our lives. Albert Gore, Jr. was the real and actual winner of Election 2000. Think of all of the incompetence, the evil, the thousands of American dead, the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children that died FOR A FUCKING LIE. Think of 9/11. Think of the PATRIOT ACT. None of these political horrors would have happened if Albert Gore had been allowed to ascend to the office of POTUS, as was his right, AS THE LEGAL, LAWFUL WINNER OF ELECTION 2000.

WE MUST NEVER FORGET!

[ms liberty]

93. Thank you for editing your post to me

To reflect that what Raster said is correct. Anyone who has been here since the bad ol' days of * has seen this discussed ad nauseum. We all know it wasn't as simple and easily explained as just blaming Nader for being an ass.

[redstateblues]

79. sounds like another Nader voter

They are never able to own the consequences of "Mr. Not a Dimes Worth of Difference"

[Raster]

84. check out my post right above yours... and I was not a Nader voter

and for the record, it was your gal Hill that raised the Jeb/Harris voter purges back in June:

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jun/09/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-revisits-floridas-2000-and-2004-vo/

<snip>

"In Florida, when Jeb Bush was governor, state authorities conducted a deeply flawed purge of voters before the presidential election in 2000. Thankfully, in 2004 a plan to purge even more voters was headed off," she said in a speech at Texas Southern University on June 4, 2015.

<snip>

The company warned the state that their matches would produce many false positives, but state officials wanted DTS to use broad parameters, which meant more felons off the rolls. In August 1998, Secretary of State Sandra Mortham announced that about 50,000 felons and 17,000 dead people were on the voter rolls.

Almost immediately, questions arose about the accuracy of the list.

<snip>

After the election, news organizations and other groups tried to figure out how many people had been denied the right to vote. But the numbers varied widely — though the reported estimates were higher than George W. Bush’s 537-margin in the 2000 presidential election. A 2001 Palm Beach Post investigation asserted that at least 1,100 eligible voters were wrongly purged. Other reports put the figure much higher.

<more>

So what's it going to be red: your cheap, inaccurate little potshot or Hillary reporting on the Florida purge?

[ms liberty]

94. Excuse me?

You need to read Raster's post, it contains the pertinent facts of this issue. Blaming Nader ignores the truth we must never forget, which is that Election Debacle 2000 was election theft, in plain sight. And for the record, I voted for Al. I loved Al, and think he would have been a great president. So forget you.

[Lucinda]

56. Great co-opt of that Face Book thing!

[lunamagica]

74. ...

[Raster]

92. THIS. IS. A. LIE.

AND ANYONE THAT REPEATS THIS IS A LIAR! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[bigtree]

31. what an awful person Sarandon is

...that's a hell of an election appeal.

[Helen Borg]

87. Sarandon is a true feminist

Not a trickle down feminist type like hillary

[bigtree]

95. meh.

...she acts like a jerk.

[Raster]

96. says you...I suspect if Sarandon were supporting Clinton...

...the anti-Sarandon noise - and it is NOTHING BUT NOISE - would be much the different.

I admire Sarandon. Unlike so many others in Hollywood, she has willingly put herself out in front of the causes she believes in. She has taken and rolled with the punches for the ideals she supports. She is not afraid to give a damn.

[hifiguy]

89. How dare Sarandon question the Queen.

You're welcome to Wanda Wallstreet.

[CharlotteVale]

33. This woman agrees. It's like nails on a chalkboard.

[Kalidurga]

37. Hillary can play whatever cards she feels she is entitled to play.

Being a member of an oppressed group doesn't mean a person can't also be a horrible candidate.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

50. Some of you people are getting carried away and becoming a bit crazy - like paranoid.

I would like to see some proof of these statements. You sound like the Republicans when they were going on the attack. Such demonizing.

[AlbertCat]

60. B-b-but Susan Sarandon makes money!

So she cannot be listened to.... or something...

I dunno...

[rjsquirrel]

62. She is such a phony

I'm not even a huge Hillary supporter but I am uninterested in what Sarandon thinks. She and Sean Penn are birds of a feather.

[NurseJackie]

63. I feel the same way about her that she feels about me.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[kgnu_fan]

72. kick for eyeballs nt

[WillyT]

75. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[closeupready]

78. But wait! That's such an important part of her platform,

being the perpetual victim of sexism. She NEEDS to feel victimized, and to share her pain; she needs to be 'singled out'.

[redstateblues]

80. It's pitiful when a celebrity's 15 minutes are up and they

try so hard to be relevant.

[stevenleser]

81. I can't imagine that sounding good about any discriminated against group

It sounds bad anyway you put it. For example, all of:

(African American person) should stop playing the black victim card.

(LGBT person) should stop playing the gay victim card.

(Jewish person) should stop playing the antisemitism card".

(Muslim person) should stop playing the antimuslim card"

all of those sound bad, even if said by a member of that group.

[NurseJackie]

97. She's a wonderful actress ... but a bit full of herself.

She's too angry and emotional. I think she speaks without thinking, and then her pride (and emotions) make her "double-down" and refuse to admit that she may have made a mistake, and refuse to acknowledge how others may have misunderstood her words or intent.

She's also smart. Smart enough to see that Bernie isn't going to be the nominee... so maybe she figures "fuk-it" and is just throwing everything out there in the hopes that it can make a difference. (But it's not.)

Susan Sarandon should probably stick to what she does best: acting.

[Live and Learn]

82. I agree. Hillary playing the victim card makes a mockery of feminism.

She should be ashamed of herself. But apparently she is lacking in the shame gene department.