Will you proudly stand with Ashley Williams and BLM?

[SwampG8r]

Thanks ashley for courage.

[peacebird]

1. Yes. She was polite, and courageous. She simply unveiled her sign with Hillary's own words

Stood quietly till Hillary noticed her sign, then asked her to Hillary to explain/apologize.

Hillary was quite condescending and came across very poorly in the tape. #WhichHillary is now trending on twitter, and this has been picked up by HuffPo and other media outlets.

[Betty Karlson]

41. "now back to the issues that matter" = Hillary's way of saying black lives don't matter.

Disgusting.

[Merryland]

2. one of the bravest things I've seen.

"You're the first person to ask me that" - because the press corps is too controlled by corporations.

"You're trespassing" is one of the comments. "Inappropriate" etc. Listen to the hoi polloi in the background.

[SwampG8r]

3. Which was in fact a lie

She was asked pretty much the same from the " if thats how you feel i will only talk to white people" blm folks

[arcane1]

77. Of course it's a lie, it came out of her mouth n/t

[sarge43]

29. "You're trespassing"

subtext: Your kind don't belong here.

Hand salute Ms Williams for speaking truth to power.

[JudyM]

4. Absolutely.

Apparently she asked the question at the wrong part of Hillary's talk.

[NCTraveler]

5. I was never not standing with her.

Very happy to see all the new people jumping on board with BLM.

Transparency.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

[Bobbie Jo]

7. This^^^

Quite the turnaround, huh?

As always, I stand with BLM.

Everyone should click the above link, the change of heart with regard to BLM is astonishing. I have a box full of similar links to the trashing these people received on this board.

eta: now watch this thread sink...

[Marr]

31. Quite the turnaround, indeed. You give Hillary a pass for something much worse than

the thing you excoriated Sanders for months over.

[Bobbie Jo]

35. I did no such thing.

Link to the "pass" in question.

[Marr]

42. You give Hillary a pass as in...

....you don't demand anything from her on this. You don't condemn her choice to have the protester removed, or her condescending, dismissive attitude, or her implication that mass incarceration isn't even an 'issue', or even her initial, horrible, 'bring them to heel' comments, which could hardly be more racist.

You just say nothing. That is giving someone a pass.

[Bobbie Jo]

52. If you mean that I'm not going to

hop on board these hypocritical threads put up by people who have developed a new-found appreciation for BLM, you're right.

I support BLM activists, always have...

Where have you been??

[Marr]

63. Then your support for BLM is no deeper than any of the Sanders supporters

you're criticizing for having a 'new-found appreciation for BLM' now that it makes their opponent look bad.

You've done exactly-- exactly-- the same thing; offering a few easy words on a forum when it was convenient, and saying nothing when it wasn't convenient. The only difference, and it's a notable one, is that Hillary's response actually was dismissive and insulting.

[Bobbie Jo]

65. Don't even

We both know exactly what this is.

Some of the things that were said RIGHT HERE can't be unseen or forgotten.

Just pathetic...

[Prism]

67. They're not saying shit about her supporters either

Transparent

[Marr]

68. Good point. As usual, the complaints from that segment are nothing but opportunistic garbage.

They'll say anything (or ignore anything) that serves Hillary's best interests at any given moment.

Zero credibility.

[Prism]

69. Remember Seattle?

Every single word out of that crowd was fodder and reflective of Bernie.

Hillary supporter statements towards Ashley?

Crickety!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. ...

(Note: Many black people are well aware of how both campaigns are exploiting race and pretending to care about race/racism by using black surrogates. This is something that we notice and fully understand is happening.)

[DURHAM D]

9. .

[SwampG8r]

10. I urge everyone to read this call out

It does not say what is being portrayed.
It states open support of blm and questikns who profits when we are divided

[Bobbie Jo]

11. Uhuh

You go with that...

Yours was just one of many.

[NCTraveler]

12. Lets make it easy on them.

The greatest ratfuck of all time.

Who benefits?
BLM looks foolish and disorganized.
The wedge being forced into the Sanders campaign of race issues is reaffirmed and strengthens.
Hillary is going to get the blame as it profits her in the short term causing a genuine rift in the party which could lead to a sit out.
BLM will lose needed support by many if successfully painted as active agents of HRC
Wedges driven into white progressive support for BLM .

Wow that is one hell of a days work.
So who will benefit from A A and white liberal voter suppression?

My answer is based on long range thinking.
If I am the right I need to first diminish the impact of a movement resonating with both the aa community and white liberals/progressives.
That's BLM which I believe we ALL support the aims of whoever we are on the bandwagon for.
So every one gets hurt feelings and BLM loses credibility and support.
Sanders again is associated in a vague manner as racist or lacking in leadership on race issues despite a lifetime spent in the pursuit of equality for all.
Hillary will be tarred with this too and in fact it began as soon as it happened. She will have lost forever any hope of many Sanders supporters votes as too many will assume Clinton involvement.

I see a deep right wing attack in hopes of suppressing 2 of our sides most regular and consistent blocs.

That is the writing of Swampg8r

[SwampG8r]

15. Anyone see a non supportive statement towards blm in there yet?

[A Simple Game]

22. No there are none. That poster often dips into a dry well and must relish in looking foolish. n/t

[retrowire]

25. nope, your op was one of concern for blm

I have reading comprehension, don't worry.

[one_voice]

59. Was that when BLM interrupted Bernie?

[NCTraveler]

60. I believe so. nt.

[one_voice]

61. Got it.

when it happens to Bernie, it's ratfucking. When it happens to Hillary, it's righteous.

Speaking for myself, I stand with BLM. I don't have double/triple standard. They interrupted/protested my candidate too- Martin O'Malley.

[NCTraveler]

62. Two Sanders supporters have made failed attempts to call me out today on this subject.

Failed because they quickly realized how consistent I have been here. A certain group truly doesn't understand I put BLM before Clinton or Sanders.

[Tanuki]

16. OMG, how I wish I could rec a post!

How did I miss that?

[retrowire]

28. did you read the entire OP? nt

[randome]

34. It's actually not necessary.

Referring to something by BLM as 'the greatest ratfuck of all time' automatically -to my way of thinking- puts the writer in the swamp.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[retrowire]

38. so you confirm that context is not your strong point.

good to hear it. XD

[JTFrog]

39. Yep. But by the OP's logic that statement is somehow being supportive.

Upside down backwards day all day today.

[retrowire]

44. heres a key line from the OP

"BLM will lose needed support by many if successfully painted as active agents of HRC"

key word being "IF" and it was apparent at the time that many politicos started seeing it that way.

the OP was concerned about BLM being portrayed as political pawns on Hillary's game.

that's what I get out of it when I, ya know, read the whole thing.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

71. Yep!!

(Note: Many black people are well aware of how both campaigns are exploiting race and pretending to care about race/racism by using black surrogates. This is something that we notice and fully understand is happening.)

[NCTraveler]

73. "both campaigns"

Fully agree. It's one of the reasons I have started typing the phrase "I support BLM over that of Sanders and Clinton."

I am putting together a op I hope to have ready by the weekend. It is going to be a blunt assessment of why neither Sanders or Clinton have earned a damn thing with respect to minorities votes and the verbiage being used by supporters, surrogates, and sometimes candidates; are outright disgusting. My case will be that our best interests at this point are served by protest, civil disobedience, and outright rioting. The only reason we have many of their support is because we aren't as sick as republicans. That's not only not good enough, it's oppressive on its own. Time to change that narrative and force the powers to be in the democratic party to understand they have nothing without the black vote. Without the Latino vote. Without the minority vote.

Trayvon Martin doesn't give a shit about who a candidate marched with decades ago nor does he care who is making promises about tomorrow. Tomorrow can't save him and what happened decades ago does nothing to change the fact that there is literally such a thing as a license to kill completely innocent people dependent on the color of their skin. I have said that before here and I'll say it again.

Why can some not stand that type of language? Because we really want to believe that Clinton and Sanders are good people. And I think they are exceptional people. But they have earned nothing in this area that should make them feel they have earned the minority vote. They should have to work their asses off for minorities votes. I wouldn't blame a damn one for staying home and not voting until the party makes major progress with the criminal justice system, education system, and economic system. Progress. Not promises.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

74. You and I are standing together, my friend. I have no dog in the fight, either. Not sure what I'll

do on April 26th.

And yes! They should have to work their asses off for our votes. Why? You and I both know. Black voters have always, without question, been the most loyal to the Democratic Party--no matter how horrid the candidate was. Black voters fell in line. Now we ask what these candidates are going to do to address our issues and all we get are racist, arrogant tripe and condescension. They are not used to us questioning anything...just falling in line like an obedient, good slave.

[NCTraveler]

84. I am in Clintons camp. I don't deny that.

I also won't sit here and talk about how she has earned minority votes. She hasn't. I won't say Sanders has. He hasn't.

The best argument I can make is that they are better than republicans on these issues but that simply isn't good enough. I have a lot of fun on this board but this issue has me fuming. I'm sick of what I'm reading. I'm sick of the unbelievable inconsistency. I'm sick of the outright racism. I'm sick of these issues being used for points. I'm sick of the thought that either of our candidates has earned the vote of minorities.

I would like to make a quick point here about the manner in which the conversation is being had here. People are excited about possible fuck ups. From the candidates and posters. That is their goal completely. Points. I have my thoughts and am willing to share them freely. I typed these last two posts quickly. Not thinking about every single word, just thinking about the point I want to make while keeping in line with our discussion. I have no fear of saying something stupid, blasting out something that might be considered offensive, or simply hurtful. While I have no fear of doing so, those aren't my intentions. I have been corrected by members of the AA community on this board before and they have done so bluntly and respectfully. Those are some of the best moments here. Then again, I think seabeyond is a great teacher here and many seem to strongly disagree with me on that as well. None of us are perfect and we need to accept that as we go.

These conversations are not being held on honest ground.

[Cali_Democrat]

75. Boom!

[The Redheaded Guy]

78. Bernie and his supporters always stood by BLM

and has refined his platform to meet the needs for BLM and it was well-received.

Clinton is just taking them for granted and is only good for a token vote and will be thrown away, ignored once again.

[jillan]

83. Ahem.............>

Nothing to see here, move along people

[Fairgo]

87. So very telling

I'm glad Jeeves was there! Its so hard to get good help these days....

[bettyellen]

85. HOLY SHIT- I'm thinking this needs to be kicked all day till Sunday.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Without a doubt. She's a very brave person and an effective activist.

nt

[hack89]

8. Yes. nt

[autonomous]

13. Real Courage

Looks like that.

[Agschmid]

14. I've been with BLM the whole time.

Including this video.

Without their activism this wouldn't even have been brought up in this campaign, notice it still hasn't been on the republican side.

[Waiting For Everyman]

17. Absolutely - the most relevant point and done beautifully.

She's getting the message out about the Clintons' involvement in mass incarceration and the private prisons. Black people need to know this, and as of yet most of them don't.

She was polite, she had someone film it, she even had a savvy hashtag on her sign ahead of time. Couldn't be done better, in my opinion.

[jalan48]

18. The phoniness of Hillary exposed for all to see.

[mountain grammy]

19. Yes!

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Go Ashley!

[Fuddnik]

21. No one dare question the Queen of Pander!

Blasphemy! Socialist!

Ridiculous.

[thereismore]

23. Yes. Hillary should apologize. nt

[Dustlawyer]

24. I wonder how much she had to pay to get in there?

She obviously paid and passed Secret Service only to be called a tresspasser!

Payback to Hillary for using the victims of police killing un-armed blacks as props!

[Bread and Circus]

33. The article I read said $500

[retrowire]

26. I proudly stand with Ashley Williams and BLM. nt

[WillyT]

27. Yes... And Apparently These Days... It Is More Likely Our Youth Speaks To Power, Than Not...

Thanks Ashley !!! You are definitely brave.

[OilemFirchen]

30. Of course.

And kudos to you for your recent conversion!

[SwampG8r]

36. Recent conversion is untrue

Please show me dissing blm...i will wait
Upthread is the closest anyones found and it is a defense of blm
But up is down and green is blue

[NaturalHigh]

32. Nope. I didn't like it when they did it to Sanders...

and I don't like them screwing with Clinton.

[Cheese Sandwich]

37. It was very brave. I didn't like how the security guards laid hands on her. She should have yelled

Don't touch me!

That's what the protesters did when they crashed the Social Security rally in Seattle and it generated a lot of press because of the physical confrontation.

[Tanuki]

46. Those were Secret Service, not "security guards." They tend not to be deterred by

someone yelling "don't touch me."

[Cheese Sandwich]

47. Since when is it the secret service's job to protect Hillary from bad publicity

Hill thought she was in for a stress free night because. Of the $500 entrance fee.

[arcane1]

81. That $500 entrance fee is the REAL firewall n/t

[Betty Karlson]

40. Proudly so.

And as gay guy, I know about standing with pride.

[FrenchieCat]

43. Always have....

[pacalo]

45. Sure do.

I applaud their judgment, also, in selecting Bernie as the better choice.

I'm proud of these young people for getting involved & standing up for their rights.

[LexVegas]

48. "The greatest ratfuck of all time. Who benefits? BLM looks foolish and disorganized. " -YOU. nt

[SwampG8r]

88. What would be the word for someone

Who takes a line from an op and dishonestly mischaracterizes it?

[farleftlib]

49. Yes, thanks, SwampG8r

I most certainly stand with Ms. Williams and not with the panderer.

[loyalsister]

50. Absolutely! Ashley Williams is a role model

Demanding answers and speaking truth to power is exactly what we need right now!

[Rebkeh]

51. Yes.

[Merryland]

53. Ashley Williams is an American hero

and thanks to Ashley #WhichHillary is trending number one on Twitter in many major cities - thank you, Ashley, for opening the curtain as to the gag-worthy attitude behind the scenes in those private soirees in the mansions of the deep South (and North) - dim-witted rich people (20 of them???) paying thousands of dollars to hear NOTHING of substance from their candidate of choice.

[libtodeath]

54. Yes,it was a moment for history.

[olddots]

55. very proudly

This was heroism in the face of tyranny .

[floriduck]

56. Absolutely, without question!

[gwheezie]

57. I continue to support blm

I stated many times when the netroots event happened that I expected and fully supported blm confronting all the candidates including the one I support. My hierarchy of where I stand starts with blm on top no matter who they confront.
Every candidate has to answer for their positions.

[sadoldgirl]

58. Totally,I admire her guts!

[kgnu_fan]

64. Yes I stand with Ashley Williams. Thank you, Ashley for your courage.

[Cheese Sandwich]

66. she did the right thing.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

70. From the same Bernie Sanders fanatics who condemned, shunned, insulted BLM? Really?

NOW you care about BLM when they're going after HRC?

So transparent.

(Note: Many black people are well aware of how both campaigns are exploiting race and pretending to care about race/racism by using black surrogates. This is something that we notice and fully understand is happening.)

[The Redheaded Guy]

76. I do.

I'm proud to stand with Ashley Williams and BLM.

[MuseRider]

79. 100% n/t

[raging moderate]

80. Thank you, Ashley Williams.

Very gutsy.

[Starry Messenger]

82. Of course.

I support Black Lives Matter and all protesters of our candidates from the movement.

[Fairgo]

86. I will

I will proudly stand with this brave woman.