Jimmy Carter's "I Will Not Lie To You" Promise Evokes CRINGEWORTHY Response From Hillary Clinton

[Segami]

Hillary lies about lying.......

Clinton is rolling along fine in this interview until asked about lying … watch her train wreck of an answer.

Maybe she immediately thought about her many Bosnia lies

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/02/19/1487628/-Jimmy-Carter-s-I-will-not-lie-to-you-promise-evokes-cringeworthy-response-from-Clinton

[Jefferson23]

1. Thank you! K&R

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

2. It's second nature to her now

Half the time she probably truly believes she's not lying when she clearly is.

Just because this can't be posted enough:

[Fuddnik]

12. Gag me with an axe.

Craven, lying, conservative, .........

[nashville_brook]

14. wow i had not seen that CBS Bosnia footage. that's damning.

[scscholar]

52. How is it damning?

It's inconclusive.

[berningman]

65. you guys really are a hoot.

[noamnety]

79. Thank you for being brave enough to say this.

That little school girl had a suspiciously long braid - and how do people KNOW she didn't have a rifle hidden in it?

Too many people here have been bullied into saying that scene looks relaxed and nonsnipery, when I think I can speak for everyone here in saying we can see the tension and fear in the faces of all the people in that clip. You can even see Hillary lean in close to examine the girl for explosives after shaking her hand.

[nashville_brook]

80. bravery all around!

[abelenkpe]

31. When will politicians realize how EASY it is to search for old video, articles and

interviews and call them out on their contradictions and lies? Its just so sad.

[hifiguy]

32. When the condition advances to that stage

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it has a technical name: Nixonosis.

[Contrary1]

38. Sinbad wasn't the only comedian on that trip to Bosnia...

"Corkscrew landing", "Run to our cars", "Sniper fire"... wow.

[Punkingal]

3. She's "tried"

[tk2kewl]

5. watch her shrug and shake her head no while answering

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i wonder what thats about

[AtheistCrusader]

64. Most humans have an innate desire to speak the truth.

Suppressing it has unintended and difficult to control consequences.

[thereismore]

4. She was visibly giddy at the chance to say she won't raise taxes on the middle class. Then bang,

Jimmy Carter question. She weaseled out like slippery elm.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

70. Read my lips, no new taxes.

[jham123]

72. That's exactly what went through my mind as well.

[azurnoir]

6. Lol I'll do my best

[Segami]

8. 'I Will Look Into It' and get back to you....

[Kittycat]

34. I don't believe I have.

10:58 is a great highlight of her NAFTA position. Often missed in 13 min of lies.

[earthside]

7. Ewwww.

That's my reaction.

(The saucer eyes.)

[Avalux]

48. Yes the saucer eyes, and the head nodding back and forth (saying no).

Her body language screams volumes.

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. Some people don't think of it as lying

They just think of it as what am I supposed to say today to win. Winning is everything. But they compromise so much to win it's like we could have just won anyway without all the lies and compromises.

[reformist2]

10. What stood out for me: She's only going to increase taxes on those making $5 MILLION or more???!!

That's like nobody. She's basically taking a Republican position with respect to taxation.

[Fawke Em]

17. Not only that, but she's in favor of maintaining the thousands us Middle Class folks

have to fork over to private health insurance companies for the appearance of access to healthcare.

I'd rather pay the hundreds more in Bernie's taxes if it means I save thousands and never have to deal with an insurance company ever again.

[Mbrow]

25. Amen, sorry Ramen!

[1monster]

47. After several years of going without health insurance because it was impossibly

expensive ($1369 per month for), I bought into ACA insurance. It is the law and without health insurance I could easily have gone bankrupt in the event that I or my son had a medical emergency.

Now, I pay considerably less for insurance than I would have then, but I still could easily go bankrupt in the even of a medical emergency because the insurance I pay thousands a year for will not kick in until I reach a $6,000 deductible ($12,000 for the family) and then only pays 60% of the rest.

I'd much rather pay hundreds a year for better coverage under Bernie's Medicare for all than what I'm currently paying. My husband is on Medicare and it costs $1,248 per year (and the Medicare is real health care; it works!) as opposed to the $10,169 I paid last year. (The plan paid out a whopping $25 because none of my doctors took the insurance.) This year, I've gone for a lesser plan which took off about $200 per month with even less chance of it paying out. It still is eating up my retirement savings. Five years to go for Medicare and decent health coverage.

For that reason alone, Bernie is way up over Hillary in my book. Given the rest of his platform, Hillary just isn't even on the radar.

[jham123]

71. Man.....

That whole "REAL" scenario is such a scam....I'm ashamed to claim to be a part of a group of people that perpetuated that lie on "US"....

I wish I could separate myself, but I am to blame as much as anyone.

[Mike__M]

55. "Appearance of access to healthcare"

That phrase nails it, Fawke Em.

[TeeYiYi]

11. Come on now...

Who among us could pass that litmus test? If someone asked you if you had EVER lied, who among us would be able to honestly say no?

I thought it was kind of a shitty question and she answered it in the only way she could to avoid being confronted down the road with someone's version of a half truth in her past being baked into a lie.

I thought her answer was the correct one to avoid gotcha journalism going forward.

TYY

[Myrina]

13. ".... someone asked you if you ever lied, who ... would be able to say no?"

Problem is, those among us AREN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

[TeeYiYi]

20. I'm speaking about her...

...as a fellow human being.

I consider myself to be one of the most honest people you'll ever meet but if I found myself running for office, I would see that question as a trap and would avoid falling into it just like she did. No one can say that they've NEVER lied. It just can't be done.

TYY

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. Why would a politician need to lie unless they are hiding something.

The managers that I know, who are honest...up and down, are seen as more effective, but the ones who lie are easily classified as the weasles they are.

[TeeYiYi]

28. Politicians lie...

...for a myriad of reasons. Confidentiality and security clearance being high on that list.

I have no doubt that Hillary has skeletons rumbling around in her closets. She's a career politician. That fact can be a double edged sword for someone like her because on the one hand, she has a solid resume with a lifetime of experience. On the other hand, we're living in the age of the internet, social media and unlimited information technology where a person's past is more accessible and prone to investigation than ever before.

TYY

[Loudestlib]

46. You shouldn't have to be put in a position where you have to defend someone's lying.

Take a look at Sanders. He doesn't need to lie to try and get your vote. We have a chance to elect a trustworthy candidate that will fight for us. We voted Obama into office twice and a lot of us never thought we would have another chance to vote for someone that would go to bat for our issues.

This is that other chance and now is our time.

[TeeYiYi]

51. "Take a look at Sanders"?...

I love Bernie. I'll be caucusing for him in March.

That said, I'm not so naive as to believe that politicians don't lie. That's part of their job description. They'd probably prefer to think of it as 'finessing'...or 'massaging' the truth.

In the real world, times change and people and politicians evolve and adapt to that change over time. Almost every politician was against gay rights before they were for them but in the end, their evolution on that topic worked out well for me.

I expect Bernie to be our candidate but if Hillary should prevail, I'll work to get her elected and vote for her in November.

TYY

[Loudestlib]

60. Changing posistion and coming around to a new idea is great but that's not what Hillary has done.

Thank you for caucusing and good luck!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

68. Politicians lie to benefit themselves.

I won't be voting for a politician that shamelessly lies to us.

[TeeYiYi]

73. I don't think you're going to have to worry about that...

She's dug such an insurmountable hole for herself, I don't believe she has any hope of ever recovering from it.

Future politicians will study her second bid for president as a warning not to underestimate the power of the information age.

TYY

[malthaussen]

43. By that logic...

... the assertion that no one need fear wire-tapping or other surveillance except people with something to hide is correct. As for individuals, it is ludicrous to expect that no one ever lies. As for those in official positions lying officially, let me yield to Winston Churchill: "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." There are numerous reasons for an official to lie in his official capacity.

It is a silly question.

-- Mal

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

69. Hillary hasn't risen to the level of Churchill.

Dishonesty isn't a virtue no matter how hard some try and spin it

[malthaussen]

81. Who said anything about virtue? n/t

[kristopher]

66. Agree - it was a question to which no one could honestly answer "no".

But the problem with the sympathy is that Bernie would be able to look the announcer in the eye and say "Sure, for example sometimes if my wife asks whether I like her outfit I might say Yes even though I don't... But! But! I have been fighting for these same policy positions for 50 years and it is self evident what I believe."

Hillary is not able to give that kind of response because it is rooted in genuine integrity.

[Android3.14]

15. Shakes her head in negation while answering the questions

Classic behavior of someone who knows she is lying.

[Laughing Mirror]

37. Saying yes, while shaking head no

Yes, classic sign.

"Well I have to tell ya,I have tried in every way I know how, literally, from my years as a young lawyer, all the way through my time as Secretary of State, to level with the American people," she says, shaking her head "no" throughout.

Shaking head No, saying Yes. We can't control our subconscious responses when we are not paying attention to them. They betray what we say. You'd think she'd have learned by now to keep her head still when telling her lies. But the subconscious always rules our responses.

[Faux pas]

16. Me thinks

her voice squeaks too much when she's trying to be 'truthful'.

[Bucky]

18. if she's a real liar, she could've just said "Yes, I will never lie and I never have lied evarrrr"

or something

[Armstead]

19. Although it's uncomfortable, I feel like Clinton was OK on this

I don't trust Clinton and feel she is often fast and loose with the truth.

However, in this case, I do think she was trying to answer the question honestly. I don't think anyone, much a President, can say "I'll never lie to you."

Aside from the fact that we all engage in little white lies to spare people's feelings, avoid conflict or save ourselves from embarrassment, a President may have special reasons for lying.

In an extreme example, suppose someone had publicly asked President Obama if there had been any progress in the hunt for Osama bin Laden in the week prior to his killing. Obama would have been perfectly justified in lying and saying "No we have no leads."

[reformist2]

39. I think Hillary is actually proud of her clever "parsings" over the years.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. She misrepresented in the first minute.

"People are angry... people feel..."

that the givernment's not working

that the economies not working

that the political system's not working


No, fucking Jayzuz, no!

The people know it's not working.

Anybody that does not have millions in their offshore accounts knows this as a fact.

The market crash destroyed a lot of American's futures: jobs, homes, savings flushed. But Wall Street was saved.

Student debt is crippling the futures of graduates...the ones lucky enough not working as baristas, and it will continue to do so as long as high college debt us not addressed. What politician benefits from an electorate suffering so.

And the political system? It's in Wall Street's (AKA corporate America) gold lined pockets.

Peopledon't feel, Hillary, they know full well that the ststem is rigged against them.

And fuck Scott Pelly. Sanders and Trump are not harvesting the same supporters.

Sanders deals with the reality of a corrupt system to make it better while Trump plays to the bigots and hatred.

[Bohemianwriter]

22. Aww...

Wasn't that precious........?

I am so embarrased for her....


My bullshit detector exploded on this one...

[Cassiopeia]

23. "I've always tried to"

This is not what I want in a leader. "I've always tried to" "I don't think I have"

Listen to the inflection in her voice. Even she knows she's lying about lying.

[reflection]

26. I don't support Hillary

but will crawl over broken glass to vote for her should she be the nominee.

That being said, I don't think her answer was a train wreck. Everyone has lied about something and will lie about something down the road. If she'd said "I haven't and won't lie to the American people about anything" then that would just be another lie on the pile. She answered it as best she could without giving her possible GE opponent a commercial soundbite and I have no problem with that.

[magical thyme]

27. I am not raiseing taxes on the middle class; I'm going after incomes $5M or more

So now you can "make" from $250K to $4.99M and still be middle class?!?

[EndElectoral]

42. Apparently in her mind

[6chars]

54. even 250k is doing very well

and can afford a little more tax. and i don't care that this will make a few parents in manhattan have to cut back on summer trips to Europe in order to afford their kids' private school tuition

[yourpaljoey]

29. She even lies about lying

[CharlotteVale]

33. Yep.

[hifiguy]

30. She already had the common touch of

Marie Antoinette and the humility of Napoleon. I guess we can add the integrity of Richard Nixon to that list.

[AzDar]

35. Ooof. No thanks.

[tblue37]

36. Could you summarize for us deafies? nt

[Laughing Mirror]

40. From about 2:12 on the clip

Question: You know, in '76, Jimmy Carter famously said, I will not lie to you.

Clinton: Well I have to tell you,I have tried in every way I know how, literally, from my years as a young lawyer, all the way through my time as Secretary of State, to level with the American people, says Clinton, shaking her head no throughout..

Question: You talk about leveling with the American people. Have you always told the truth?

Clinton: I've always tried to. Always. Always.

Question: Some people are going to call the wiggle room you just gave yourself, "always tried to" --

Clinton: No. I've always tried --

Question: Jimmy Carter's "I will never lie to you."

Clinton: You know you're asking me to say, "Have I ever." I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will. I'm going to do the best I can to level with the American people.

[EndElectoral]

41. Tea on the Tarmac.get ready for seeing this second clip a heckuva lot in the GE if she wins primary.

[Duval]

44. She obviously forgot about videos!

[hopeforchange2008]

45. She is so FOS /eom

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

49. Understanding Pathological Liars...

When you watch HRC lying she does it seamlessly. Her statements are clear and powerful, and if you believe them they are convincing.

It's only when you get the reputation of being a liar that such people start getting questioned and challenged...

HRC is way past that point, and this of course is why her ratings on 'trustworthiness' are lower than anyone who's ever been elected to the Presidency. It's also one key reason that she's NOT electable.

_______________________________
Pathological liars
From this link: https://www.achievesolutions.net/achievesolutions/en/Content.do?contentId=9704

Summary:
Rooted in poor self-esteem
Lying for many reasons, or no reason at all
Not officially a mental disorder
Suggests deeper psychological problems

Almost everyone has encountered a pathological liar—the type of person who in one conversation claims to have dined with the Queen of England, danced back-up for Madonna, and dived with great white sharks. The problem for pathological liars is that their attempts to impress often backfire.

Instead of getting the love and attention they seek, they usually earn scorn and ridicule. A habit of lying can quickly ruin a person’s reputation and interfere with his ability to establish meaningful relationships.

Some of the hallmarks of pathological liars include telling outrageously dramatic stories, telling fibs that are easily disputed, changing stories when challenged and, most importantly, lying even when there’s no apparent benefit in telling the lie. Compulsive liars lie for many reasons, including no reason at all, but most often they lie to:

feel admired
gain popularity
control and manipulate
compensate for feelings of inadequacy and low self-esteem
cover up failures

Although not officially designated as a mental disorder, pathological lying is often seen as the tip of the iceberg for deeper psychological problems including narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

[jham123]

74. ^^Awesome post

Can't say it enough, awesome post

[Don Draper]

50. "It's not a lie if you don't believe it's a lie"

-George Costanza

[Smarmie Doofus]

53. Of Jimmy Carter's pledge, Gore Vidal said:

".... which is a lie right *there*."

But K and R anyway.

[840high]

58. Carter is a very honest man.

[840high]

56. When she puts on that

serious, concerned look on her face - I know she's lying.

[auntAgonist]

57. Poor woman, she opens her mouth and lies fall out. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Wow, wow, wow. It was so obvious from the look on her face, she was lying about never having lied!

OMG...guilt was written all over her face!

Very, very damning video!

Thanks for posting this Segami!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[rnk6670]

61. WAKE THE FUCK UP Top 3% is not middle America

250k puts you in the top THREE PERCENT of household income. Not middle class. Not even close.

[cali]

62. Raise taxes on people with incomes over $5 million

Fuck that high threshold.

[Politicalboi]

63. As much as I would rather see Bernie as Prez

I don't like these gotcha questions about lying. Who the fuck hasn't lied in their life? We know she lies, but this isn't going to help us if dog forbid she is or nominee.

[demwing]

67. I will try, REALLY HARD, to never lie

but I might. Can't promise anything here.


If/when I lie, I will tell myself to cut it out -but let's be pragmatic. I'll stop lying when the other candidates stop lying.

After this...this lie. I'm still lying.

[Waiting For Everyman]

75. When she's nodding "yes" she's being condescending

as if talking to a child. That's when it says to me, "I can put this bullshit over on you... now don't you want to nod with me, yes you do". She's hardcore selling then.

The bugged out eyes reads as stonewalling to me. "I won't tell you" whatever it is. Or "I insist that you believe what I'm saying because I'm being so dramatic". The shrugged shoulders even more stonewalling. That reads like "well then, eff off".

In the second video, she looked down the whole time she was saying she "made a mistake". I don't think she believed it was a mistake, and she hated characterizing it as one. I doubt she admits that she ever makes mistakes in other situations.

Her voice reads phony to me too, artificially loud a lot of times (not in the videos, at appearances). I'll bet she can be really surly when crossed in real life. She seems very entitled, and comes off as if anything she wants to do is A-ok by definition, just because it's what she wants.

I never really looked at it closely and thought about it specifically before, but that's how it comes across to me.

[7wo7rees]

76. How, when asked if you have ever not told the truth does one

with a straight face say, "well, I've always tried."

Is that a get out of jail free card?

I didn't know I was lying, I thought I was telling the truth. It was the truth as I knew it to be?

It is just such a oh for f's sake moment.

[Motown_Johnny]

77. But does anyone believe that she believe that she has told the truth?

I know I don't.


If she does, she is delusional and that would be even worse.

[mhatrw]

78. Hillary's Liar Paradox.

If she says, I am a not a liar, we all know she is lying.

If she says, I am a liar, she contradicts herself.