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There were many fine moments from Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton during Thursdays debate. One of the most important, in my opinion, was when Bernie said the reaction to the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, would be different if it had occurred in a white suburb. He also said he suspected Hillary agreed with him. Indeed, Hillary has taken the lead on drawing attention to the Flint water crisis.
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Take, for example, the bill he co-sponsored and ushered through Congress to allow Vermont and Maine to dump low-level nuclear waste at a site in Sierra Blanca, Texas. Sierra Blanca is home to a large Latino population with an average income of $8,000. Last year, Politifact called the assertion that Bernie cosponsored the bill and actively ushered it through Congress largely accurate.
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According to the Texas Observer, when activists confronted Bernie about sponsoring the bill, he reportedly told them: My position is unchanged, and youre not gonna like it. When asked if he would visit the site in Sierra Blanca, he said, Absolutely not. Im gonna be running for re-election in the state of Vermont.
Bernie claimed to be supporting the bill because the Texas site was supposedly a safer place to dump such waste than Vermont or Maine, but its hard to separate the demographics of this poor Latino community from the issue.
http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-pushed-to-dump-nuclear-waste-on-low-income-community/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jane-o-meara-sanders-a4a6741b
cali
(114,904 posts)It's disgusting.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It was literally called "opposition research".
You were one hundred percent in support of that OP. Why the issue here?
pandr32
(11,694 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)No? Well then, why should we believe this one at face value?
pandr32
(11,694 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)"largely accurate" my ass
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr629
TheBlackAdder
(28,323 posts)Jarqui
(10,149 posts)self-admitted GOP liar and destroyer of reputations, David Brock.
His purpose is to smear candidates.
Why should we bother to respond to anything this dishonest asshole has to tell us?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Nation_Review
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I never asked you to respond. Thanks for the response.
Jarqui
(10,149 posts)and when you post something, the design of the software suggests an invitation for people to read and comment.
When someone posts something that is highly suspect in nature from the lowest slime in American politics right along Karl Rove et al, we should do our democratic duty and speak out.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,777 posts)has 553 people. Even if it's 100% Latino it isn't a large Latino community.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)especially since Bernie claims to be such an environmentalist.
cannabis_flower
(3,777 posts)area. The town of Sierra Blanca has 553 people.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'm sure every article it produces is entirely balanced and never has any skew whatsoever. Just like Fox News.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Is it or is it not?
Wait a minute,this is a Clinton way of defining truth isn't it?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)One learns something new here everyday.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)To bury gloves and metal scraps in a containment site:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr629
Says Barton sponsored the Bill.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Any claim I made is backed up by your link.
Cosponsor
Sanders, Bernard Bernie [I-VT0]
(joined Feb 6, 1997)
That is at the link you just provided.
So you agree with Clinton on this one? You are the one who brought Clinton into it for some reason without discussing your own thoughts.
pandr32
(11,694 posts)And concerned members of the town, Sierra Blanca traveled to Vermont. Sanders was very involved and George Bush was governor of Texas at the time.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)or am I missing something?
It was to be a containment facility in an area that has little to no seismic activity but in the end no low level nuke waste was ever sent to Sierra Blanca.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have never claimed the Clintons remind me of some other carpenter in the past. Maybe that is why I don't get this type of deflection.
I'm guessing from your reply that Clinton signed it so you support it. Not sure how else to take that.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)the other sponsor was a TX rep fyi. Obviously a Dem president had already approved the site so exactly what did you think Sanders was going to do?
The waste has to go somewhere. That's simply a fact. NIMBY is uncomfortable but you had a TX state rep and a sitting Dem president ok with this too.
Sorry but you're really reaching (and re-hashing and re-hashing and...)
Fla Dem
(24,119 posts)What a great guy. And his wife was on the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission. So in addition a bit of conflict of interest.
The Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission and its members have the powers and duties prescribed by the compact and the members of the commission are responsible for administering the provisions of the compact. Texas and Vermont are party states of the Compact.
The party states recognize a responsibility for each state to seek to manage low-level radioactive waste generated within its boundaries, pursuant to the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Act, as amended by the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act of 1985 (42 U.S.C. Sections 2021b-2021j). They also recognize that the United States Congress, by enacting the Act, has authorized and encouraged states to enter into compacts for the efficient management and disposal of low-level radioactive waste. It is the policy of the party states to cooperate in the protection of the health, safety, and welfare of their citizens and the environment and to provide for and encourage the economical management and disposal of low-level radioactive waste. It is the purpose of this compact to provide the framework for such a cooperative effort; to promote the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens and the environment of the party states; to limit the number of facilities needed to effectively, efficiently, and economically manage low-level radioactive waste and to encourage the reduction of the generation thereof; and to distribute the costs, benefits, and obligations among the party states; all in accordance with the terms of the compact.
COMMISSIONERS
Brandon T. Hurley, Chair, TX, term expiring August 31, 2019
Peter Bradford, VT
The Honorable Richard H. Dolgener, TX, term expiring August 31, 2015
Linda Morris, LMP TX, term expiring August 31, 2015
John M. Salsman, CHP Vice-Chair, TX, term expiring August 31, 2017
Richard H. Saudek, VT
Clint J. Weber, TX, term expiring September 1, 2019
Robert (Bob) C. Wilson, TX, term expiring August 31, 2017
Alternate Commissioner
Jane OMeara Sanders, Ph.D. , VT
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Very shortly after Sanders stumped for him.
pandr32
(11,694 posts)The location was not a safe choice geologically either--tectonic faults, but what the heck--the site was picked because those nearby were deemed unlikely to cause a fuss.
Sanders wife sat on the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Commission.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)David Fucking Brock? Please, defend the ethics of a campaign that would employ that sleeze merchant.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,318 posts)The population is under 600! Yes, demographically the residents are mostly Latino, as is the case with most towns close to the border.
The thing is, radioactive or not, toxic waste does have to be put somewhere. Generally they look for places that are sparsely populated, but accessable by highway and rail. Sierra Blanca meets that criteria and was already a dump site for NY's sludge from wastewater treatment from 1992 to 2002. So the question is, do you continue to use a place that has already accepted toxic waste, or do you find a brand new pristine area to foul up?
I realize there's a lot of NIMBY around the country, but waste does have to go somewhere.
Z_California
(650 posts)Looks like 119 Democrats voted for a bill to "dump nuclear waste on a Latino community" including 5 democrats from Texas where the nuclear waste dump is located.
Perhaps the nuclear waste should be shot into outer space?
Keep posting this stuff, maybe you can get a job with the HRC campaign because this is par for the course when it comes to advocating for her as a candidate.
pandr32
(11,694 posts)Nice try, though. Sanders' own wife sat on the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Commission.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)eomer
(3,845 posts)President Clinton!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Why do you spread this bullshit?
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm not at all certain that they're going to like what they see when they start looking closely.
Go, Hillary. We love you!
pandr32
(11,694 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)And Bubba signed this into law so how exactly does Sanders get tarnished?
pandr32
(11,694 posts)Sanders supported the bill and his wife sat on the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Commission for starters.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)To make Sanders look bad in case he ran against his wife? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
xocet
(3,884 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Texas politics actually controlled the placement of the facility: that would be local Texas politics, led by W at that time.Starting with Sen. Wellstone's remarks, the following occurred:
(Senate)
(Pages S6349-S6356)
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office
THE TEXAS-MAINE-VERMONT COMPACT
Mr. WELLSTONE. Mr. President, I would like to speak out this evening
about an enormously important issue that has seldom, if ever, been
addressed on the floor of the United States Senate.
...
The moral responsibility of the Senate is unavoidable and undeniable.
If we approve H.R. 629 without conditions, the Compact dump will be
built within a few miles of Sierra Blanca. There's really very little
doubt about that. And if that happens, this poor Hispanic community
could become the premier national repository for so-called ``low-
level'' radioactive waste.
If we reject this Compact, on the other hand, the Sierra Blanca dump
will not be built at all. The Texas Governor has said so publicly--more
than once. It's as simple as that. The fate of Sierra Blanca rests in
our hands.
Compact supporters would prefer that we consider the Compact without
any reference to the actual location of the dump. But that simply
cannot be done. It's true that H.R. 629 says nothing about Sierra
Blanca. But we know very well where this waste will be dumped. In that
respect, the Texas Compact is different from other compacts the Senate
has considered.
The Texas legislature in 1991 already identified the area where the
dump will be located. The Texas Waste Authority designated the site
near Sierra Blanca in 1992. A draft license was issued in 1996. License
proceedings are now in their final stages and should be completed by
summer. Nobody doubts that the Texas authorities will soon issue that
license.
There's only one reason why this dump might not get built--and that's
if Congress rejects the Texas Compact. In an April 1998 interview,
Texas Gov. George Bush said, ``If that does not happen,'' meaning
congressional passage of the Compact, ``then all bets are off.'' In the
El Paso Times of May 28, Gov. Bush said, ``If there's not a Compact in
place, we will not move forward.''
For these reasons, we cannot fairly consider H.R. 629 without also
considering the dump site that Texas has selected. Sierra Blanca is a
small town in one of poorest parts of Texas, an area with one of the
highest percentages of Latino residents. The average income of people
who live there is less than $8,000. Thirty-nine percent live below the
poverty line. Over 66 percent are Latino, and many of them speak only
Spanish.
It is a town that has already been saddled with one of the largest
sewage sludge projects in the world. Every week Sierra Blanca receives
250 tons of partially treated sewage sludge from across the country.
Depending on what action Congress decides to take, this small town with
minimal political clout may also become the national repository for
low-level radioactive waste. And I understand plans for building even
more dump sites are also in the works.
Supporters of the Compact would have us believe that the designation
of Sierra Blanca had nothing to do with the income or ethnic
characteristics of its residents. That it had nothing to do with the
high percentage of Latinos in Sierra Blanca and the surrounding
Hudspeth County--at least 2.6 times higher than the State average. That
the percentage of people living in poverty--at least 2.1 times higher
than the State average--was completely irrelevant.
They would have us believe that Sierra Blanca was simply the
unfortunate finalist in a rigorous and deliberate screening process
that fairly considered potential sites from all over the State. That
the outcome was based on science and objective criteria. I don't
believe any of this is true.
I am not saying science played no role whatsoever in the process. It
did. Indeed, based on the initial criteria coupled with the scientific
findings, Sierra Blanca was disqualified as a potential dump site. It
wasn't until politics entered the picture that Sierra Blanca was even
considered.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-1998-06-15/html/CREC-1998-06-15-pt1-PgS6349.htm
Despite the predictions that are recorded above in the Congressional Record, Texas did reject the permit for Sierra Blanca.
Meet three West Texas activists who are keeping their land out of the dumps.
July 1999
By Joe Nick Patoski
THE SIGN POSTED ON A FENCE OUTSIDE THE GUERRA and Company General Merchandise store in Sierra Blanca serves notice. Attention: Any Company Intending to Dump Hazardous or Toxic Waste on Our Home Hudspeth County: We Will Not Allow You to Use Us as a Dumpsite. Our Health, Children, Water, and Land Are Most Precious to Us. The message leaves the impression that a ruling by the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission last October, rejecting a permit to open a nuclear-waste dump in Sierra Blanca, never really happened. Indeed, even in the aftermath of tilting against radioactive windmills and turning back what many said was a done deal, a visit with three activists involved in the decade-long battle shows that the fight to protect West Texas natural resources is far from over.
Take Bill Addington, the Sierra Blanca native who has been in the trenches from the beginning. Hes back behind the meat counter at Guerras, which has been at its current location since 1928, but the counter is empty and half the shelves are bare. From here, Addington runs the Sierra Blanca Legal Defense Fund, which is now fighting against a sludge ranch north of town, operated by Merco Joint Venture, as well as a proposed nuclear-waste facility 230 miles away in Andrews, which the Legislature failed to authorize this session but may take up again in 2001.
...
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/clean-living/
However, the above-noted location in Andrews County seems much more recently to have been approved:
Texas' environmental commission serves its customers well. Too bad they're not the public.
by Forrest Wilder
Published Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm CST
...
Theres no more eye-opening illustration of the agencys MO than West Texas new radioactive waste dump. In 2007, a team of geologists and engineers at TCEQ unanimously recommended that a license for the vast dump, near Andrews, be denied. Water contamination was a prime concern. Then-Executive Director Glenn Shankle ordered the TCEQ team to issue the license anyway.
There was big money at stake. The company behind the dump, Waste Control Specialists Inc., is owned by Dallas billionaire Harold Simmons, whos contributed $620,000 to Perrys campaigns since 2001, according to Texans for Public Justice. Simmons stands to make billions from storing low-level radioactive waste in West Texas.
Records show that Shankle met regularly with a team of lobbyists, lawyers and company principals at the same time his own experts warned him of the dumps dangers. Seeing that the fix was in, three TCEQ employees quit in protest. Commissioners hardly batted an eye. In January 2009, after a brief, technical discussion, they voted 2-0 (with Soward abstaining) to issue the license. They also denied the Sierra Club and 12 individuals in Eunice, New Mexico, the town closest to the dump, a chance to contest the license before administrative judges.
Shankle stepped down as TCEQs executive director in June 2008. Six months later, he went to work for Waste Control Specialists as a lobbyist, collecting between $100,000 and $150,000 for his services thus far. Commissioners and top management frequently leave the agency to work for the industries they previously regulated, a revolving door that critics say has led to TCEQs leaning in industrys direction.
...
http://www.texasobserver.org/agency-of-destruction/
Here is a link to the promotional page that WCS previously maintained:
(video)
In a unique partnership with Waste Control Specialists (WCS) and the state of Texas, the people of Andrews County and the Permian Basin are providing The Texas Solution to a national environmental challenge the safe, permanent disposal of low-level radioactive waste (LLRW).
LLRW is now temporarily stored at thousands of sites throughout Texas and our nation, much of it in heavily populated urban areas. This waste results from activities that are essential to our society and which improve our quality of life, including power generators, hospitals, universities, research institutions and industrial plants.
On Sept. 8, 2009, WCS was granted its final license to dispose of LLRW by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ). Construction of the disposal facility will begin in 2010.
The Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission has oversight of the volume of waste disposed of at the WCS site in Andrews County, Texas. The TCEQ, the states lead environmental agency, will ensure the waste and disposal sites meet all appropriate environmental safeguards.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131208040220/http://www.texassolution.com/
Here is a link to the TCEQ's page regarding WCS's Andrews County facility and also a link to WCS's seemingly most recent license for the Andrews County facility:
Here is the WCS Andrews County facility:
Here is a link to the WCS facility page and a link to WCS's report to the commission on which Sen. Sanders wife is an alternate commissioner:
Lastly, for the sake of completeness, there are two sites that seem to have summaries of the Sierra Blanca situation - one at the University of Michigan and one at Swarthmore:
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http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/blanca.html
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http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/texans-defend-sierra-blanca-community-against-nuclear-waste-disposal-1996-1998
So, while issues related to the disposal of radioactive materials and waste are very important and need to be discussed fully. Senator Sanders, the US Congress and President Clinton hardly targeted a Latino community. That responsibility falls squarely on Texas.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)Maine-Vermont-Texas nuclear waste compact
http://social-ecology.org/wp/1998/10/the-texas-vermont-maine-nuclear-dump-bringing-environmental-racism-home/
"Texas governor George W. Bush and independent congressman Bernie Sanders both see it as a sacrifice zone.
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On May 11th, about a dozen activists met with Sanders at his office. The delegation included two University of Vermont students who had just completed a thorough analysis of the scientific arguments in support of the Texas dump; they found numerous unanswered questions and more than a few outright falsehoods in the proponents arguments. Several participants in the meeting were astonished by the independent congressmans vehement and unrelenting support for shipping nuclear waste 2400 miles to West Texas. It was the best site geologically, he claimed, much better than having nuclear waste scattered across the country, and besides, how dare we accuse Bernie Sanders of environmental racism? The August meeting with the Texas delegation featured Sanders at his most obstinate, insisting that hed done the right thing and that he was no longer interested in the issue now that the compact bill had passed the House. "
JustAnotherGen
(32,259 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Dear Member of Congress: We are writing to encourage you to vote in favor of the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact, H.R. 558 without amendment.
As officials from the community nearest to the proposed facility, our primary duty is to protect the health and safety of our citizens and of future generations. In fulfillment of this duty, we have invested substantial time and effort in examining technical reports and talking with state officials and others involved in identifying and investigating a location for a low-level radioactive waste disposal facility in our county.
We are convinced that the facility planned for the site is safe. This judgment is borne out by the `Environmental Safety Analysis' made by the state agency in charge of licensing the disposal facility in our state. That agency found that the site will not `pose an unacceptable risk to the public health' or cause `a long-term detrimental impact on the environment.'
Far from causing problems for our community, the disposal facility will bring to our area needed economic and social benefits. Hudspeth County has already received grants of over $2 million for the State of Texas for use in community projects of our own choosing. When Congress consents to the Texas Compact, the county will receive an additional $5 million in development funds from the states of Vermont and Maine. And, when the facility begins operation, the county will receive $.8 million annually from its gross revenue--equal to more than one-third of the county's total annual budget. These funds are very much needed in our effort to raise the standard of living, education, and medical care system for residents of our county.
Fundamentally, where and how to site a commercial low-level radioactive waste disposal facility is a state and local issue. In July of this year, the State of Texas will convene a series of public hearings, several in our community, which will allow any member of the public to comment and raise questions about any aspect of the proposed facility and its location. This is where the decision on the location and safety of the disposal facility should be made--not in the halls of Congress thousands of miles away from our community.
We have heard that some members of Congress, at the urging of certain advocacy groups who do not represent our community, object to the location of the disposal facility based on the ethnic composition and the economic status of our county. We are the direct representatives of this ethnically diverse and economically underdeveloped community, and we are convinced that the facility will be safely built. In addition, in December 1995, approximately half of the adult population of Sierra Blanca signed a petition supporting Congressional consent for the Texas Compact.
By consenting to the Texas Compact, Congress will: eliminate the need for two low-level radioactive waste disposal sites in more populous, more humid northeast states; alleviate the need to store low-level radioactive waste of hundreds of generating locations in the three member states; approve a facility that the most directly affected citizens find both safe and beneficial; and ensure that the State of Texas and its partners in the Texas Compact will be able to control the amount of waste coming into a facility located in our community.
Please vote for S. 419 without amendment.
Please contact us if you have any questions or would like more information.
Sincerely,
James A. Peace,
County Judge.
http://www.c-span.org/congress/bills/billAction/?print/1410681
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...seethes with hatred of immigrants and minorities? No, no one is really doing that, because it would be ridiculous on its face, and there's no one who doesn't already understand that.
pandr32
(11,694 posts)Guess who sat on the commission?
http://www.tllrwdcc.org/about-the-comission/
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)borrowing yours for the occasion. People know, they just do, that Bernie Sanders doesn't set out to hurt minorities. If you read something that suggests this isn't so, it bears further investigation, because people know it's not true. And that's how it works when you've earned the trust of the people.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Thereby causing mass destruction via the hauntings.
Because its Texas.