2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Hillary has blown a double-digit lead in Nevada." Video, MSNBC
ANDREA MITCHELL: A close race in Nevada polling todays showing [Sanders and Clinton] virtually tied, if you believe that. Certainly Hillary Clinton has blown a double-digit lead.
KRISTEN WELKER, MSNBC: Well, that's absolutely right. You can tell that the Clinton campaign is nervous about that. They have been pouring millions of dollars into television ads in Nevada for the first time actually topping Senator Sanders in TV ads. Secretary Clinton adding events to the calendar in Nevada and of course down playing expectations expectations. Focusing on South Carolina and she to do that has been courting African-American voters.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/andrea_mitchell_hillary_clinton_has_blown_a_double_digit_lead_in_nevada.html
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)her anti-Hillary bias show, as usual.
Of course, it's ALL Hillary's fault. It couldn't possibly have the slightest thing to do with KKKarl Rove and other GOPer PACs pouring LOTS of cash into anti-Hillary ads in NV.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Republicans, according to you, are working incredibly hard to make sure Hillary isn't the nominee.
At least half of the Democratic party is doing the same.
Hillary does not poll well with Independents, not as well as Sanders.
What on earth is her path to victory in a GE? There is none.
And Mitchell's point is a fact--Hillary has blown a 20 point lead in NV. She blew a 25-point lead in Iowa. She also blew a 20+ point lead in NH.
The Hillary Clinton campaign is losing more ground every day. You can try to justify that, by blaming Karl Rove. The fact is that the vast majority in our county do not like her or trust her.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)They know that she IS their most formidable adversary.
Just wait until they turn their arsenal full on Bernie, which is exactly what will happen if they can knock Clinton out. They don't even have to have real issues - they'll just make shit up.
That is their play. But you know that. Nice try.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)That's what you call formidable? hahahaha
That's not formidable its a disaster.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)who laughs last, laughs best. But enjoy it while you can.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)if Hillary is the nominee. Have you seen the GE polling lately?
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)Unless, of course, they support one's preferred candidate, LOL.
randys1
(16,286 posts)be willing to AGGRESSIVELY and WILLINGLY and god forbid even HAPPILY accept whoever is nominated and support that person like our very lives depend on it.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)the Dem candidate, no matter who it is, and will do so wholeheartedly.
The alternative is literally unthinkable.
randys1
(16,286 posts)around here.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)long before she decided to run for anything. They don't like her because she's untrustworthy. And unlikeable.
According to the latest YouGov poll, 65 percent of Americans feel that Hillary is untrustworthy.
Like it or not--Republicans can't stand her; she polls terribly with Indies and many Democrats don't trust her or like her.
The Democratic establishment owes our party an apology for offering up such a weak candidate!
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm so happy that Hillary's 65 percent "untrustworthy" percentage is so adorable to you.
Brace yourself. This should send you into a laughing fit: "America feels that she is less trustworthy than Trump."
I mean, Wow! What a knee slapper!
I caution you. This graph is in technicolor. You could end up with laughter-induced side cramps. I wouldn't look straight into it.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)yourself.
If all you can so is to post snide comments to me or polls that misrepresent my candidate instead of sticking to your own candidate's strengths, it's off to my "Ignore" list with you. Please feel free to glory in that. Buh-bye.
frylock
(34,825 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)She should be home, baking cookies, barefoot and pregnant. They hate the idea that HRC, a mere woman, could be so much better than most of them at most things.
If Sanders were not in the running I could support her, despite all her faults, simply because the GOPukes hate her so much.
Luckily for me, that balding old Jew from Brooklyn gives me an alternative.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...everyone knows full well that they're holding their fire against Sanders and consider him their weakest potential rival.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I didn't see one Republican/Rovian ad in Iowa, during the run up to our caucuses.
If these ads do exist, where is your proof that they are eroding Clinton's numbers?
More than half of the Democratic party can't stand her. That's a fact that you can't escape and a big reason that she is unelectable.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)Interestingly, the person most impacted by PAC money in this primary is Hillary Clinton. In addition to the money spent by Bernie supporters in the nursing union, there's unlimited cash directed against Hillary in this primary from conservative groups like American Crossroads.
Karl Rove's American Crossroads Super PAC Assist to Bernie Sanders in Nevada
Also significant is the way the Sanders campaign has benefited from the republican expenditures against Hillary which, in some cases, match Bernie's own attack narrative.
NYT:
Mr. Sanders unlikely rise to super PAC pre-eminence is, in part, the story of an unusual alignment of strategies by different outside groups, including Republican ones eager to bloody Mrs. Clinton and lift Mr. Sanders, whom conservatives believe will be easier to defeat in a general election. While the nurses super PAC is the biggest left-leaning outside spender in the Democratic primary, conservative organizations have also spent at least $4.3 million attacking Mrs. Clinton in recent months.
One recent online ad from the Republican super PAC American Crossroads has assailed Mrs. Clinton for her Wall Street speaking fees echoing an argument Mr. Sanders often makes against her...
In fact, more super PAC money has been spent so far in express support of Mr. Sanders than for either of his Democratic rivals, including Hillary Clinton, according to Federal Election Commission records.
more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-is-democrats-top-beneficiary-of-outside-spending-like-it-or-not.html?_r=3
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and that doesn't mean that those ads weren't played in Iowa, or that they haven't been played in other states.
However, who cares what the Republicans think? She's got far worse problems and naysayers in the Democratic party.
And we've got solid reasons for not wanting her to be the nominee.
For example--I don't like her warmongering. I don't like that she named Robert Kagan as one of her most trusted foreign-policy adviser while she was Secretary of State. Robert Kagan founded the neocon movement. He hatched the entire sociopathic plan. While she was SOS she gave Kagan one of the countries on his wish list--Libya. The neocons have laid out their planto dominate the middle east and plunder their resources. They do it by destabilizing countries. That's exactly what Hillary did.
Many, many Democrats are fighting against her. That is a fact and it is real.
KKKarl in Utah: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269460-rove-super-pac-links-clinton-to-trump-on-immigration-in
and similar KKKarl anti-Hillary ads in Iowa: http://www.salon.com/2016/01/19/karl_rove_has_a_secret_plan_to_ratfck_hillary_and_make_himself_millions/
Anti-Clinton Super PAC ads in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and Colorado: http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/12/09/18948/financial-titans-behind-hillary-clinton-slam
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)that I didn't see one anti-Hillary Clinton ad in Iowa. I live in the largest media market in Iowa. We have two televisions on non-stop at home because my husband and I both work at home and like the background noise.
We were fully engaged in the campaign and saw ads from every politician--Democrat and Republican. Those ads ran non-stop--morning, noon and night.
I think these claims about Republicans fighting Hillary are highly exaggerated.
Maybe they are running ads, but not enough to make any sort of impact, not in Iowa anyway.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Gee, sounds like the perfect General Election candidate for President of the United States.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)berningman
(144 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...as much credence as the establishment Dem's do. Which is why they aren't spending money against him. If they don't think he'll get the nomination, why would they spend money against him?
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)In a nutshell. But if Republicans think that they can knock Hillary out, then it certainly makes sense for them to trash her in the meantime.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...this idea that they're "boosting Bernie" is patently ridiculous.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Requesting a link to the data, please and thank you.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)KKKarl in Utah: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269460-rove-super-pac-links-clinton-to-trump-on-immigration-in
and similar KKKarl anti-Hillary ads in Iowa: http://www.salon.com/2016/01/19/karl_rove_has_a_secret_plan_to_ratfck_hillary_and_make_himself_millions/
Anti-Clinton Super PAC ads in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and Colorado: http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/12/09/18948/financial-titans-behind-hillary-clinton-slam
w4rma
(31,700 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,847 posts)This is not a football game where you blow a game through a fumble.
A lead in polls is something amorphous, not like points in a football game. A politician can gain or lose points by virtue of facts out of their control.
Articles make it sound as though Hillary Clinton did something wrong - she blew it. She didn't. Voters just learned about a different candidate and some votes are going to this previously unknown candidate.
All of the media coverage really bothers me.