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CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:21 PM Feb 2016

"Hillary has blown a double-digit lead in Nevada." Video, MSNBC

ANDREA MITCHELL: A close race in Nevada polling todays showing [Sanders and Clinton] virtually tied, if you believe that. Certainly Hillary Clinton has blown a double-digit lead.

KRISTEN WELKER, MSNBC: Well, that's absolutely right. You can tell that the Clinton campaign is nervous about that. They have been pouring millions of dollars into television ads in Nevada for the first time actually topping Senator Sanders in TV ads. Secretary Clinton adding events to the calendar in Nevada and of course down playing expectations expectations. Focusing on South Carolina and she to do that has been courting African-American voters.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/andrea_mitchell_hillary_clinton_has_blown_a_double_digit_lead_in_nevada.html

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"Hillary has blown a double-digit lead in Nevada." Video, MSNBC (Original Post) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 OP
Mrs Greenspan is letting BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #1
You just made a solid case for why Hillary is unelectable. CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #2
Of course GOPers are united against her. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #3
If they "know" she is the most formidable adversary, they are dumber than I thought. Punkingal Feb 2016 #4
Losing a 20 point lead within a matter of weeks gyroscope Feb 2016 #6
Remember that she BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #7
The GOP will have the last laugh gyroscope Feb 2016 #9
National match-up polls are not reliable. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #13
No, they are meaningless at this time. All I ask is for ALL of us to be prepared to randys1 Feb 2016 #26
I WILL support BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #28
I knew that without even posting. I can tell who fits in that category and who doesnt randys1 Feb 2016 #29
Republicans have been against her for decades CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #15
Thank you for your comments. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #16
LOL! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #17
OK, you can congratulate BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #20
You forgot the roffle smilie. frylock Feb 2016 #25
The GOPukes hate HRC because she is liberal, and an upitty woman. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #32
all you're doing here is defending the republican cash spent in this primary to defeat Clinton bigtree Feb 2016 #5
They think she is the anointed one, like all of you. Punkingal Feb 2016 #12
That's untrue CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #14
it's absolutely true bigtree Feb 2016 #18
I saw none of these ads in Iowa CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #23
. bigtree Feb 2016 #24
I understand what people are suggesting, but I'm telling you CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #36
The Republicans hate her; Indies don't like he; Half of the Dem party is fighting her CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #21
She's a uniter, not a divider. Kittycat Feb 2016 #33
+ infinity berningman Feb 2016 #35
I think the Republicans give Bernie's campaign... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #8
Why indeed? BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #10
Exactly... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #11
Which PACs are those? LiberalAndProud Feb 2016 #19
Happy to oblige! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #22
Hedge Fund Billionaires Fund Super PAC Ad Against Bernie Sanders and Minimum Wage Hike w4rma Feb 2016 #30
Deja vu. morningfog Feb 2016 #27
I hate stuff like this Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #31
Andrea Greenspan just plays Hillary's propaganda whenever she feels like. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #34

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
1. Mrs Greenspan is letting
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

her anti-Hillary bias show, as usual.

Of course, it's ALL Hillary's fault. It couldn't possibly have the slightest thing to do with KKKarl Rove and other GOPer PACs pouring LOTS of cash into anti-Hillary ads in NV.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
2. You just made a solid case for why Hillary is unelectable.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans, according to you, are working incredibly hard to make sure Hillary isn't the nominee.

At least half of the Democratic party is doing the same.

Hillary does not poll well with Independents, not as well as Sanders.

What on earth is her path to victory in a GE? There is none.

And Mitchell's point is a fact--Hillary has blown a 20 point lead in NV. She blew a 25-point lead in Iowa. She also blew a 20+ point lead in NH.

The Hillary Clinton campaign is losing more ground every day. You can try to justify that, by blaming Karl Rove. The fact is that the vast majority in our county do not like her or trust her.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
3. Of course GOPers are united against her.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

They know that she IS their most formidable adversary.

Just wait until they turn their arsenal full on Bernie, which is exactly what will happen if they can knock Clinton out. They don't even have to have real issues - they'll just make shit up.

That is their play. But you know that. Nice try.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
6. Losing a 20 point lead within a matter of weeks
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

That's what you call formidable? hahahaha

That's not formidable its a disaster.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
13. National match-up polls are not reliable.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

Unless, of course, they support one's preferred candidate, LOL.


randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. No, they are meaningless at this time. All I ask is for ALL of us to be prepared to
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

be willing to AGGRESSIVELY and WILLINGLY and god forbid even HAPPILY accept whoever is nominated and support that person like our very lives depend on it.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
28. I WILL support
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

the Dem candidate, no matter who it is, and will do so wholeheartedly.

The alternative is literally unthinkable.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
15. Republicans have been against her for decades
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

long before she decided to run for anything. They don't like her because she's untrustworthy. And unlikeable.

According to the latest YouGov poll, 65 percent of Americans feel that Hillary is untrustworthy.

Like it or not--Republicans can't stand her; she polls terribly with Indies and many Democrats don't trust her or like her.

The Democratic establishment owes our party an apology for offering up such a weak candidate!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
17. LOL!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

I'm so happy that Hillary's 65 percent "untrustworthy" percentage is so adorable to you.

Brace yourself. This should send you into a laughing fit: "America feels that she is less trustworthy than Trump."

I mean, Wow! What a knee slapper!

I caution you. This graph is in technicolor. You could end up with laughter-induced side cramps. I wouldn't look straight into it.



BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
20. OK, you can congratulate
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

yourself.

If all you can so is to post snide comments to me or polls that misrepresent my candidate instead of sticking to your own candidate's strengths, it's off to my "Ignore" list with you. Please feel free to glory in that. Buh-bye.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
32. The GOPukes hate HRC because she is liberal, and an upitty woman.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

She should be home, baking cookies, barefoot and pregnant. They hate the idea that HRC, a mere woman, could be so much better than most of them at most things.

If Sanders were not in the running I could support her, despite all her faults, simply because the GOPukes hate her so much.

Luckily for me, that balding old Jew from Brooklyn gives me an alternative.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
5. all you're doing here is defending the republican cash spent in this primary to defeat Clinton
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016

...everyone knows full well that they're holding their fire against Sanders and consider him their weakest potential rival.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
14. That's untrue
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

I didn't see one Republican/Rovian ad in Iowa, during the run up to our caucuses.

If these ads do exist, where is your proof that they are eroding Clinton's numbers?

More than half of the Democratic party can't stand her. That's a fact that you can't escape and a big reason that she is unelectable.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
18. it's absolutely true
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:28 PM
Feb 2016

Interestingly, the person most impacted by PAC money in this primary is Hillary Clinton. In addition to the money spent by Bernie supporters in the nursing union, there's unlimited cash directed against Hillary in this primary from conservative groups like American Crossroads.


Karl Rove's American Crossroads Super PAC Assist to Bernie Sanders in Nevada

Also significant is the way the Sanders campaign has benefited from the republican expenditures against Hillary which, in some cases, match Bernie's own attack narrative.

NYT:

Mr. Sander’s unlikely rise to super PAC pre-eminence is, in part, the story of an unusual alignment of strategies by different outside groups, including Republican ones eager to bloody Mrs. Clinton and lift Mr. Sanders, whom conservatives believe will be easier to defeat in a general election. While the nurses’ super PAC is the biggest left-leaning outside spender in the Democratic primary, conservative organizations have also spent at least $4.3 million attacking Mrs. Clinton in recent months.

One recent online ad from the Republican super PAC American Crossroads has assailed Mrs. Clinton for her Wall Street speaking fees — echoing an argument Mr. Sanders often makes against her...

In fact, more super PAC money has been spent so far in express support of Mr. Sanders than for either of his Democratic rivals, including Hillary Clinton, according to Federal Election Commission records.


more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-is-democrats-top-beneficiary-of-outside-spending-like-it-or-not.html?_r=3

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
23. I saw none of these ads in Iowa
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

...and that doesn't mean that those ads weren't played in Iowa, or that they haven't been played in other states.

However, who cares what the Republicans think? She's got far worse problems and naysayers in the Democratic party.

And we've got solid reasons for not wanting her to be the nominee.

For example--I don't like her warmongering. I don't like that she named Robert Kagan as one of her most trusted foreign-policy adviser while she was Secretary of State. Robert Kagan founded the neocon movement. He hatched the entire sociopathic plan. While she was SOS she gave Kagan one of the countries on his wish list--Libya. The neocons have laid out their planto dominate the middle east and plunder their resources. They do it by destabilizing countries. That's exactly what Hillary did.

Many, many Democrats are fighting against her. That is a fact and it is real.



CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
36. I understand what people are suggesting, but I'm telling you
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

that I didn't see one anti-Hillary Clinton ad in Iowa. I live in the largest media market in Iowa. We have two televisions on non-stop at home because my husband and I both work at home and like the background noise.

We were fully engaged in the campaign and saw ads from every politician--Democrat and Republican. Those ads ran non-stop--morning, noon and night.

I think these claims about Republicans fighting Hillary are highly exaggerated.

Maybe they are running ads, but not enough to make any sort of impact, not in Iowa anyway.



CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
21. The Republicans hate her; Indies don't like he; Half of the Dem party is fighting her
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

Gee, sounds like the perfect General Election candidate for President of the United States.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
8. I think the Republicans give Bernie's campaign...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

...as much credence as the establishment Dem's do. Which is why they aren't spending money against him. If they don't think he'll get the nomination, why would they spend money against him?

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
10. Why indeed?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:03 PM
Feb 2016

In a nutshell. But if Republicans think that they can knock Hillary out, then it certainly makes sense for them to trash her in the meantime.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
31. I hate stuff like this
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

This is not a football game where you blow a game through a fumble.

A lead in polls is something amorphous, not like points in a football game. A politician can gain or lose points by virtue of facts out of their control.

Articles make it sound as though Hillary Clinton did something wrong - she blew it. She didn't. Voters just learned about a different candidate and some votes are going to this previously unknown candidate.

All of the media coverage really bothers me.

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