Reddit: How Hillary Lost Me

[cali]

I started out this election cycle as an uncommitted Clinton supporter, because, as a moderate, she is the candidate to whom my views seemed to align most closely, because her experience clearly makes her extremely qualified for the position, and because I think it would be a hugely important step for this country to elect our first woman president. I also have to admit that I, like so many others, initially wrote off Bernie Sanders as too "unelectable" to be the Democratic nominee.

However, after seeing the ways in which Clinton and Sanders have conducted their respective campaigns, I have finally crossed over. Despite consistent deception and dirty tactics from the Clinton campaign and the DNC, Sanders has conducted his campaign with the same poise, honesty, financial integrity and commitment to the underprivileged he has demonstrated during his entire political career. Even if I don't agree with Sanders on every issue, I'd rather have a president I can respect unequivocally.

I'm officially feelin' the Bern! Sorry it took so long.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/45rtde/im_ready_to_cross_over_to_the_dark_side_even_if_i/

[shawn703]

1. But but it's just politics and no different than what Republicans will do

Which is exactly the point.

[metroins]

2. I actually don't think Sanders is running a very honest campaign

When I look at all of the attacks during debates or online discussions, it's 90% Sanders/Supporters attacking Hillary.

I wish they'd keep the attacks out of it and just discuss issues.

[cali]

4. How is he running a dishonest campaign?

You fail to tell us.

[AlbertCat]

20. How is he running a dishonest campaign?

Yes, what "attack" has been untrue, or even misrepresented?...by his campaign mind you...

[uberblonde]

84. Pretty much every time Tad Devine opens his mouth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/15/us/politics/candidates-race-to-draw-battle-lines-over-a-surprise-vacancy.html?_r=1

“She cannot be trusted to appoint someone to the Supreme Court who will take the issue of campaign finance seriously,” he said.

[Lorien]

50. Good luck. I can't get them to tell me why I should support Hillary based on the issues

so I doubt if they'll be able to tell us why they believe that Bernie is "dishonest". History and his reputation tell us that the opposite is true.

[ohheckyeah]

64. You failed to tell us what dirty tactics from the Clinton campaign. N/Tf

[PonyUp]

7. Sanders or supporters attacking Hillary?

If Sanders, how is he attacking her?

[TTUBatfan2008]

11. By pointing out her corporate finance.

Apparently it's a dirty slur to point out that the Clintons have received well over $200 MILLION in big corporate money to fund their campaigns.

Surely it has zero effect? Robert Rubin is living proof to suggest otherwise.

[cali]

12. Yep. That, evidently, is an unfair attack.

[kath]

40. Not only is it unfair, it's SEXIST!!

[smiley]

82. "The Clintons"...

that means man and woman……

Tell me again please, how that is sexist?

[tazkcmo]

54. By not highliting

Bosnian sniper fire which I would be pointing out everyday.

[cui bono]

13. Can you please explain how Sanders is being dishonest, especially during debates? n/t

[cui bono]

16. And what are these attacks that have nothing to do with issues?

That's what Hillary and her supporters are doing.

.

[retrowire]

19. Hit and run misinformation technique. nt

[dorkzilla]

27. Yup nt

[sahel]

22. Thats because she has hardly any supporters left online

much like this place.

Apparently some people are still going to vote for her, but she has a terrible enthusiasm gap. Unless the GOP nominate someone as thoroughly disliked by its own base, its going to spell trouble for her.

[redstateblues]

55. I mostly lurk now due to the nastiness of BSS

I've had too many attempts to discuss issues met with personal attacks. Yay BSS have taken over DU- they have their own echo chamber.

[pinebox]

65. Hillary doesn't have many supporters

Look at the size if her rally's, not big and nobody is marching for Hillary.

[paleotn]

35. Pointing our real differences....

...in their approaches on issues is not dishonest. It's patently HONEST! Slinging mud such as half truths and all out lies is dishonest. See threads on Brock and Capehart. Nuff said.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

57. Facts aren't attacks.

You just don't like the truth, get out of the kitchen!

[JDPriestly]

69. I will say one word: Capehart.

That Capehart caper about Bernie's photo at the University of Chicago went way beyond emotional reactions to Hillary's personality.

It was a deep,, dark and dirty trick. And it might have worked if we hadn't had the internet to use to prove the falsehood of the Capehart accusation.

And that is just one of a number of very nasty tricks that the Clinton campaign has tried.

Hillary deserves the attacks. She has sold herself to the highest bidders and then wants us to think she is on our side. She isn't.

Let the people decide.

[Android3.14]

70. Since when is "honest campaign" equivalent to "fawning acquiescence"

You state Sanders is not running an honest campaign, but actually complain about the attacks during the debates and a ridiculous statistic about Sanders supporters attacking Hillary, which have nothing to do with honesty.

It looks as if you have not considered the issues at this time.

[Gene Debs]

72. By "attacks", you must mean "Pointing out her close ties with Wall Street, her voting

to go to war in Iraq, her support of job-killing trade agreements" et cetera.

What you call "attacks," the rest of us simply recognize as "truth."

Or have I misinterpreted your statement?

[sulphurdunn]

73. That would be easier to do if

the Clintons didn't continue trying to make Sanders the issue.

[tularetom]

78. When your platform is "vote for me, I have an innie instead of an outie"

you should probably expect some attacks.

If the only thing you have going for you is your gender, you didn't prepare yourself well for a presidential campaign.

[rhett o rick]

79. First of all, asking someone to explain why they voted to support the IWar is not an attack.

Holding someone accountable is not an attack. I think the reason some people say Clinton is being attacked is that those that are worshiped are not to be questioned. This is so undemocratic and unDemocratic.

She has made a lot of mistakes that she even admits. Why would anyone support her?

[LiberalLovinLug]

83. "it's 90% Sanders/Supporters attacking Hillary"

Attacking on the issues, on policy, on positions, on votes, on flipflopping, on who funds her campaign.

Its not some made up conspiracy pulled out of thin air.

And also, even IF your sensibilities took a hit with a few over-the-top rude comments by Sanders supporters, how does that then transmute into Sanders not running an honest campaign?

[Number23]

85. Pretty sure the 72 responses to your post did nothing to disabuse you of the notion of who's doing

all of the attacking.

Bookmarking this thread just so I can keep up with this. Don't you love it when people make your point FOR you??

[hifiguy]

90. I see issues being discussed exclusively by Sanders supporters.

But I suppose it's hard to discuss issues when your candidate spins on them like a weathervane in a hurricane.

[kgnu_fan]

3. Clinton revoking Snowden's passport, and her policy against whistleblowers really damaged the trust

[farleftlib]

10. That was despicable

He deserves an award. We all owe him a debt of gratitude.

Whistleblowers have fared terribly under the current administration.

[Helen Borg]

18. I'd nominate Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize

[B Calm]

5. Ditto cali

[AtomicKitten]

6. Social media has made the truth accessible to those that care about the truth.

k/r

[ejbr]

8. As long as the writer

hasn't voted, no need to apologize about the time it took to convert!

[amborin]

9. dirty tricks backfire

[cannabis_flower]

17. They used to often work..

If there had been the internet, Sylvester Turner would have been mayor of Houston years ago instead of Bob Lanier.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-channel-13-exclusive-6567305

[amborin]

32. wow

[dlwickham]

25. You mean like stealing computer files

And having to fire staff members over it?

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

58. The lawsuit moves on in the courts...

As I understand it, the lawsuit is working its way through the courts...

[Lordquinton]

81. Yea, that was pretty bad

Hillary shouldn't have done that to Obama in 2008.

[jalan48]

14. I felt the same way Cali.

I wasn't enamored with Hillary but I thought it important that a woman be elected President. The more I learned about her Wall Street ties the more disillusioned I became. If I wasn't for Bernie before I certainly would have been after news of her canceled meeting with Bain Capital broke. To think she would be taking money from friends and business colleagues of Romney was too much. Not to mention all the people put out of work by those vulture capitalists.

[greymouse]

67. woman as President

I have street cred as a feminist - engineering school in the 1960s, etc. Whether a candidate is female or male or whatever means nothing to me. That's what equality means.

Hillary isn't even remotely close to as good a President as Bernie would be. It's plain crazy that she thinks she's entitled because of her gender.

[Duval]

15. K&R

[pdsimdars]

21. Love 4 DU

I just started here but this is my home. . . I love what the people think and say here. What a great story.

[LibDemAlways]

24. Welcome. Glad you've joined the DU family.

[dlwickham]

23. Cool story bro

[Hydra]

37. "Unlike you all we don't have a place to copy and paste the same post"

Apparently you do? And it's called DU?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1228083

[dlwickham]

38. They copied me

They copied me

[Uncle Joe]

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[WillyT]

28. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[merrily]

29. IMO, what we know of Hillary's experience disqualifies her, not the opposite.

I don't know why people think job titles, as opposed to job performance, qualify people. As first lady, could not sell Billarycare to a Democratic Congress.

As Senator, voted for the war in Iraq and, in eight years, did not get even one substantive bill or amendment she wrote passed into law. Tried twice to pass an unconstitutional flag burning bill and could not manage that.

As Secretary of State, she believed in regime change with no endgame and laughed at the prospect of nuclear war. The best thing I've read about her time as Secretary of State was that she made speeches about women, which doesn't qualify anyone to be POTUS and CIC.

With the internet, memes spread fast and very widely, but that doesn't make them true.

[Jefferson23]

80. +1

Our US foreign policy history is nuts and she is not now nor has been a voice of reason,
nor a person who has shown restraint.

[Martin Eden]

30. Hillary lost me in October 2002

... as did John Kerry, Joe Biden, and anyone else who voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State and how she is conducting this campaign reinforce my decision not to vote for her in a Democratic Party.

[Dont call me Shirley]

33. Yup.

[bigwillq]

44. This

Among other things. No more Clintons.

[Carolina]

46. Touche

That did it for me as well. Notice that it was those with WH aspirations who voted aye. Political calculation and moral cowardice.

We, the people who marched and protested, knew Iraq was no imminent threat. How could it be after the first Bush war in 1991 followed by horrific US led/UN enforced sanctions and occasional bombings during the Clinton years. We knew about PNAC

IWR was rolled out just before the 2002 midterm elections and anyone who believed those liars and thieves in the WH at the time was either weak or dumb... and definitely unfit to lead.

That vote which aided and abetted the Bush cabal and gave W bipartisan cover has led the death, debt, destruction and destabilization that affects us all today. What happened in 2002 still matters!

[UglyGreed]

31. These days one can't just hope

people won't take the time to check into your stances in the past and what you are saying today. IMO most people believe that the best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior and Bernie has been consistent while Hillary not so much.

[wcast]

34. I had the same experience during the 2008 election primaries.

I live in PA and rarely have a chance of my vote counting as usually it's settled before it gets here in May. I wad firmly for Hillary then. I think she is a smart, competent candidate,and I had the privilege of hearing her speak at a NEA RA in DC when Kerry bowed out to name Edwards as his running mate. Hillary gave a great speech!

But when she campaigned in PA I felt like I was watching republican tactics being used against Obama and it turned me off to her. I voted for Obama in that primary.

Don't get me wrong, I will vote for the eventual candidate, but I think she hurts herself by going too hard against her Democratic opponents.

[dlwickham]

39. How dare she campaign like a man

[kath]

41. Oh, FFS.

You might be better off sharing your desperation somewhere else.

[Voice for Peace]

42. Against men who campaign the way women should?

With dignity humility kindness fairness honesty compassion
?
That's how she didn't win my vote last time too.

[dlwickham]

48. I guess you don't vote for too many people then

I guess you don't vote for too many people then

[SwampG8r]

66. You spelled republican wrong

The post you replied to said she campaigned like a republican
You changing it to man is a misquote at best and a sexist dog whistle at worst.
Im sorry you got the short straw and have to defend hrcs campain style using the sexism canard.

[CoffeeCat]

71. She doesn't campaign like a man

She campaigns like a sociopath, using David Brock to smear and lie.

A real man would never do that.

A real woman would never do that either.

[dlwickham]

77. Are you new here

Or haven't you paid attention to the sanders supporters on here and elsewhere

Sanders gives new meaning to the phrase sleazy campaign

[hedda_foil]

86. Ding ding ding! You've just won the grand prize in our "Democrats Say the Darnedest Things" Contest!

Congratulations Dwickham. And enter again soon.

[dlwickham]

88. At least I am a Democrat

I wonder if others can say the same thing

[greymouse]

91. well, dlwickham

fifty years of voting for Democrats here. I've seen a heck of a lot of political dirty tricks pulled against the candidates I was supporting. But I expect better from a Democrat who wants to be President. This thread is full of mild dirty tricks from Hillary supporters, like claiming Bernie is running a sleazy campaign, as though saying it would make it true, when he's honest as the day is long, and Hillary has a history of lying that it would take me half an hour or an hour to type in. But then, you know that.

[dlwickham]

92. 30 years here

Sandra's and his supporters have use the same tactics that people have been using against Hillary from day one. They're repeating the same lies.

Anyway I've noticed a trend and the number of people who have registered as Democrats to vote for Sanders. These are people who have trash the Democratic Party over the years like Sanders has.

I'm glad you found a candidate that you can believe in just like Hillary supporters have.

[farleftlib]

36. Thanks for posting this

It really isn't rocket science. She's a terrible candidate. She wants the honor of being the first female POTUS but she hasn't earned it, not by a long shot. K&R.

[dubyadiprecession]

43. Far left candidates (Bernie) and far right (cruz) can never compromise. With these two, absolutely..

nothing will get done. Moderation is good for everything.

[cali]

45. Bernie compromises. Fucking period. I'm a Vermonter

He compromised as Mayor, U.S. Rep and Senator. What he doesn't compromise are his ethics.

[dlwickham]

49. Don't you know that moderate is a dirty word here

your characterization of Sanders as far left is pretty on spot

[truebluegreen]

52. "Far left"?

Pretty pathetic when an FDR Democrat can be labelled as "far left"...it demonstrates how blinkered and distorted our process has become.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

59. and how far to the right the DLC/DNC/Democratic Party elected officials have become.

It's time to take DNC away from the DLC and the Third Party assholes. They are to be formally booted out of the Democratic Party once Bernie wins.

[truebluegreen]

60. + a zillion

Welcome to DU.

[dlwickham]

89. Good luck with the purge

Who's going to bring the guillotine

[JDPriestly]

74. Bernie is good at compromise. He does not take things personally.

That is Hillary's fundamental problem. She and her admirers take things personally. It makes a person angry and vicious.

And Hillary's team's attack on Bernie's photo at the University of Chicago shows you where that takes you. That was despicable.

Also, Bernie has real compassion and loves people. That is what drives him. It is beautiful to hear him speak because you can hear his conviction and compassion and love for his audience and for America.

The economy is not working for ordinary Americans. It is worse than a rat race.

We need to be better human beings in this country. Bernie is the leader who can help us become what we need to be.

Hillary misses it by many miles.

[Enthusiast]

47. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

[Lorien]

51. Hillary lost me when she was asked if she supported the TPP

and she answered with "You'll find out when I'm President."

[boston bean]

53. Reddit the home to the MRA movement!

And the tiny percentage of females they can get to go along with them!

Believe me, Reddit is no place to take seriously what anyone has to say on feminism and who is or who is not one.

[cali]

61. Reddit is a huge platform. Like the internet itself, reddit

is home to the best and the worst. I'll tell you one thing, the Bernie subreddit is about a thousand times more civil and goal oriented than du.

[boston bean]

62. Oh yeah, I can tell!

[cali]

63. How?

You know nothing about it. Here's a challenge I'm sure you'll ignore. Find one negative thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/

[JTFrog]

87. Exactly. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. KnR

[oldandhappy]

68. well said

Her negativity finally got to me. Her snarky attacks also. The lies from Claire and the family daughter three weeks ago had me screaming at the TV. She blames Bernie for sideways swipes and she does it all the time. I do not listen to her anymore so I cannot give you any recent examples. I think she is mean. A shame since she really had everything going for her.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

75. Hillary never had me!

...

[99th_Monkey]

76. This ^ Is Exactly Why Bernie will make an Awesome President

He doesn't constantly insult people's intelligence with 1/2-truths & deceptions, AND
he instinctively conducts himself with a sense of decorum and good will towards
others. Yes, he can occasionally appear "cranky" or "cantankerous" but it's always
for the best of reasons -- because he's standing up for us 'little people'.